Any of you bourgeois/got bourgeois friends?

[Aleister Granger]

I know three myself. And one identifies with Marxist politics, unsurprisingly.

[Comrade Samuel]

I work for them directly (as in face to face) and act friendly but I certainly do not like them as people.

[The Feral Underclass]

Do any of us own the means of production or have friends who own the means of production? Is this what you're asking?

[Paul Pott]

bourgeois as fuck. Got the top hat to prove it, too.

[Taters]

If I carry gold bullion around in my pockets, I'm still a proletarian, right?

[Art Vandelay]

My step father is bourgeois. My father owns a tattoo shop, collectively, with some buddies, but I've never been one to fetishize the reorganization of capital, so I guess I'd consider him somewhere in between a proletarian and a petite-bourgeois. I suppose the class lines with him are somewhat blurred, since he continues to work a 9-5, as well as make a profit off his reinvestment of capital. So I definitely have family members who have a personal interest in seeing the rule of capital continued.

Anyways I found your comment of 'one identifies as a Marxist, unsurprisingly,' to be odd. I always get the sense that alot of times, people don't quite understand what Marxism really is (ie: a paradigm). In all honesty, having a Marxist methodology, would probably give one (ironically enough) the ability to become quite the successful businessman. One can be both a Marxist and a businessman, just as much as one can be both a Marxist and a revolutionary. The premise that one's parent's/friend's relationship to the means of production, has any bearing on their ability as a Marxist, seems so absurd to me.

For example, I just don't see how one could, reasonably, argue, that my step-father's relationship to the means of production could have any effect on my ability to gain class consciousness, let alone somehow negate my own differing relationship to the means of production and private property.

[Os Cangaceiros]

I know someone who owns a cannery. I wouldn't say that I'm "friends" with him, but he's a pretty nice guy. He's from the UK and he hooked me up with some contacts before I left for Europe, in case I ran into trouble in the UK. So that was cool. Through him I also met the CEO of the largest seafood company in the USA, and definitely a bonafide bourgeoisie.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I know plenty of pub landlords of varying degrees of success. Some of them don't make minimum wage half the time and run the places themselves and are more or less in it because they love the job, some of them own like three or four successful pubs and restraunts.

[Hrafn]

Got plenty of reactionary or bourgeois friends. Hard to choose who you love.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

yeah i'm like totally well bourgeois innit.

[Bostana]

No

[A.J.]

Got plenty of reactionary or bourgeois friends. Hard to choose who you love.

Question is, in a revolutionary situation and considered an imperative, could you take these would-be counter-revolutionary acquantinces of yours out into the courtyard and shoot them?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I've got no bourgeois friends. I'm not that lucky (Unless you count the owner of a self-run lebanese bakery, but he's not really the kind of bourgeois we seem to be talking about here).


I think some of my distant family in Europe are bourgie as fuck though. They're still as rich as our mutual slave-owning great-great-great or so grandparents.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

i'm from the gutter. i have friends that aren't though: one that's almost related to the royal family in britain, many that went to private schools and one that is in a german aristocratic family who got a lot of their land taken from them when stalin moved into berlin.

i went to the 2nd worst school in the country based on the ofsted report and grew up on a council estate and have always been a class warrior but, i've realized that, given that we don't choose our social positions as we're born into them and then conditioned, that most of my friends from the bourgeoisie are actually pretty cool. they're just people. just as i've got friends from the working class that are total reactionaries. for example, i have a black working class friend who is an EDL member.

hopefully, in the revolution, they'll give it up and i wont have to see them in the firing squad lol.

[Bolshevik Sickle]

Nah, I don't like to discuss political views with friends.

[CECE]

My family is firmly established bourgeois... I don't know if by default that makes me a bourgeois? haha :P

It can be a little pathetic though. Two of my brothers just live off of my dad even though their in their 20's... they have no motivation to do anything because they have all the funds they need...

[Blake's Baby]

No, I'm not bourgeois, and nor is anyone I know.


Nah, I don't like to discuss political views with friends.

Being bourgeois is nothing to do with 'political views'. Engels was bourgeois - he was a communist. My neighbour is unemployed - she's reactionary as fuck.

[Ele'ill]

no

[Fourth Internationalist]

I have a few relatives who are petty bourgeois and/or are a part of the police system.

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

A couple, though they're more 'petite' bourgeois. Much of my family is working class, however, with a few in the 'middle class'.

(Whether or not a 'Middle Class' actually exists in America is an entirely different discussion, however).

[BIXX]

Question is, in a revolutionary situation and considered an imperative, could you take these would-be counter-revolutionary acquantinces of yours out into the courtyard and shoot them?

I would like to point out that this is an incredibly fucked up comment.

Of course, yes, they are bourgeois, but putting someone in a position of "your friends gotta die, sucks to be you, have fun with your depression because we killed (or made you kill) them" is sick.

That being said, my two best friends in the whole world are somewhat bourgeois (one more than the others), but they didn't have a choice. They were born into that class, and they just wanna live and be happy like the rest of us. Meaning as long as we don't hunt them they won't be counterrevolutionaries. In fact they would aid us (they already have aided me in fact in many ways).

Fuck this whole "if we wouldn't shoot every bourgeois person, no matter how much we love them, then we aren't revolutionaries" attitude. If that's what the revolution will entail... Then fuck the revolution.

[Blake's Baby]

No, I'm not bourgeois, and nor is anyone I know...

Having said that, someone said that they know some petites-bourgeoises, so yeah, I know some petit-bourgeois people. Not haut-bourgeois, which is what I thought the question was about.

[Thirsty Crow]

One of my, say, ex-friends, is involved with his family in owning and working in a tourist apartment complex (8 flats and a bar). Not really pure modern bourgeois per se, since his labor gets done in a kind of a patrimonial setting - nominally, he's the owner of the thing, but in reality he doesn't even get a fixed monthly income and depends on his dad for decisions and all.

I don't think any of my friends is bourgeois in fact.

[Zukunftsmusik]

My father is a "small" capitalist (part owner of an architect company), which, by extension, would make me one, I think. Although it's complicated, because my mother is a worker and I'm officially (and practically, as of yet) economically independent of my family, so then again maybe not.

[Thirsty Crow]

My father is a "small" capitalist (part owner of an architect company), which, by extension, would make me one, I think. Although it's complicated, because my mother is a worker and I'm officially (and practically, as of yet) economically independent of my family, so then again maybe not.
If you don't depend on your folks for livelihood, then yeah I'd say that your dad's class position doesn't reflect anything on you.

My position is even more confusing. Partly depend on my folks - a retired worker, and an ex business owner who now receives meager disability benefits (though they managed to sell off pretty much everything of value, in terms of personal possessions) - and partly on myself through irregular work and irregular self-employment.

[Comrade Jacob]

I don't know. I'm in a private school on a "scholarship" (I got in because my sister is on one) but I live on a council-estate in a shitty village.
I have 2 friends although none of them are "city-dwellers" more of middle-class-village-dwellers.

[Loony Le Fist]

I'm a small business owner. So, in eyes of some, that qualifies me as bourgeois, though my business loses money at this point. I currently make less than some non-exempt workers, and I have to pay for a business license. Just for background, I am an recovering libertarian who at one time was an ancap :scared:

I look back on my political views with horror now. It's amazing what reading a little history can do. I completely identify as a socialist Marxist now.

[cyu]

in a revolutionary situation and considered an imperative, could you take these would-be counter-revolutionary acquantinces of yours out into the courtyard and shoot them?

If I'm drafted into a pro-capitalist army and I see an officer about to execute a prisoner, then the officer deserves to be shot before he can carry out the murder.

If we're in a revolutionary situation and I see anybody is in the middle of attacking someone, regardless of the political affiliation of either side, I would support stopping the attacker, using lethal force if necessary.

[Aleister Granger]

Question is, in a revolutionary situation and considered an imperative, could you take these would-be counter-revolutionary acquantinces of yours out into the courtyard and shoot them?

Question is, are they actually doing anything counter-revolutionary in nature? If not, then no.

[A.J.]

Question is, are they actually doing anything counter-revolutionary in nature? If not, then no.

The implication is that they would have engaged in some sort of counter-revolutionary activity beforehand.

[cyu]

The implication is that they would have engaged in some sort of counter-revolutionary activity beforehand.

If they are trying to kill leftists, then I would have no problem with killing them during their attack.

If they've already attacked leftists, and are currently just sleeping for example, then I'd remove their ability to continue to attack leftists, using whatever minimal action, so long as it works, and doesn't leave leftists open to further attacks.

If their activity merely consists of putting up pro-capitalist posters, I wouldn't even bother removing the posters - if you can't counter pro-capitalist propaganda with your own political ideas, you probably don't have such great ideas in the first place.

If their activity consists of attempting to re-establish capitalist control of the mass media, then I would support actions to prevent them from doing so. However, I would only support killing them if they are in the midst of attacking leftists (ie. the leftists currently occupying and running the media outlet).

[Art Vandelay]

My father is a "small" capitalist (part owner of an architect company), which, by extension, would make me one, I think. Although it's complicated, because my mother is a worker and I'm officially (and practically, as of yet) economically independent of my family, so then again maybe not.

As links already pointed out, the socioeconomic class you are a member of is determined by your relationship to the means of production, not your parents, assuming you are economically independent.

[A.J.]

As links already pointed out, the socioeconomic class you are a member of is determined by your relationship to the means of production, not your parents, assuming you are economically independent.

You have to be of at least three generations of wage-workers to be considered proletarian.

So there.

[CECE]

You have to be of at least three generations of wage-workers to be considered proletarian.

So there.

Does that mean you have to be of at least three generations of bourgeois to be considered one?

:P

[Art Vandelay]

You have to be of at least three generations of wage-workers to be considered proletarian.

So there.

I've never heard this before and quite frankly don't care what source you get it from, its bullshit.

[Sea]

Question is, in a revolutionary situation and considered an imperative, could you take these would-be counter-revolutionary acquantinces of yours out into the courtyard and shoot them?I'd rather torture them first. Can I torture them first? I wanna torture them first. :drool:

I've never heard this before and quite frankly don't care what source you get it from, its bullshit.If you have 5 generations you can be Heir to the Prole! Your orb and scepter will be a bouncy ball and thai stick.

[Futility Personified]

I have (or had, as I haven't seen him in a long time and don't know if I will again for a long time) a bourgeois friend. While he was very live and let live, when prompted on economics, he'd slag off the poor and blame them for being in the state they are. He'd argue that some people work where they are because they aren't very bright, but his intelligence was of a, specialised, kind. The economic crisis was the fault of communists according to him also. But he was a good friend. I got trashed off too much vodka one night and said he came from a long line of bastards and bigots, but he always helped me when I needed it. I do miss the bugger.

EDIT: Also, very much into the Illuminati, occult sort of things. There is no injustice, only mystery....

[Lobotomy]

I know some rich people but I don't think any of them actually own any means of production.

[Sir Comradical]

I fix cricket bats for a small fee. It earns me a few hundred dollars a month and to that extent I'm petit-bourgeois. lol.

[freecommunist]

No to both, but probably know one or two petit-bourgeois people.

[cyu]

I've never heard this before and quite frankly don't care what source you get it from, its bullshit.

It's definitely wrong. You actually have to be of at least *four* generations of wage-workers to be considered proletarian. And to have a seat on the Politburo, you need to be the seventh son of the seventh son of a proletarian :laugh: