The INITIATIVE of Communist and Workers’ Parties of Europe was founded

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On the 1st of October 2013 in a meeting room of the EU Parliament in Brussels, at the initiative of the KKE, the founding meeting was held of the “INITIATIVE of communist and workers’ parties in order to study and elaborate European issues and to coordinate their activity”.
The decision to reinforce of their cooperation, on the basis of a specific founding declaration, which describes the principles of the INITIATIVE, was expressed by the following 30 communist and workers’ parties from EU countries and other European countries as well:


Party of Labour of Austria
Communist Party of the Workers of Belarus
Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia
New Communist Party of Britain
Union of Communists in Bulgaria
Party of Bulgarian Communists
Socialist Workers’ Party of Croatia
Communist Party in Denmark
Pole of Communist Revival in France
Union of Revolutionary Communists of France
Unified Communist Party of Georgia
Communist Party of Greece
Hungarian Workers' Party
The Workers' Party of Ireland
Communists People’s Left-Communist Party of Italy
Socialist Party ofLatvia
Socialist People’s Front of Lithuania
Communist Party of Macedonia
Communist Party of Malta
People’s Resistance Moldova
Communist Party of Norway
Communist Party of Poland
Communist Workers' Party of Russia
Communist Party of Soviet Union
New Communist Party of Yugoslavia
Communist Party of Slovakia
Communist Party of the Peoples of Spain
Communist Party of Sweden
Communist Party of Turkey
Union of Communists of Ukraine


A step for Unity
In his introductory intervention, G. Marinos, member of the PB of the CC of the KKE, noted the following: “We would like to sincerely thank the 30 Communist and Workers’ Parties that decided to take part in the INITIATIVE to study and elaborate European issues and to coordinate their struggle.


We would like to thank the comrades that contributed in a creative way by supporting this effort, with their proposals and their remarks in order for us to reach to this point and organize our first founding meeting.
It is a significant step which serves particular needs.
Our INITIATIVE serves the unity of the communist movement inEuropeand the strengthening of the struggle of the communist parties for the interests of the working class, the popular strata, the youth.


We are deeply aware of our responsibility. The problems are sharpening, the capitalist crisis of overproduction and capital over-accumulation which is the other side of capitalist development has led millions of working class and popular families to unemployment and poverty, the labour’s exploitation by capital is being intensified, the future of the youth is being undermined.
Our INITIATIVE serves the need for the concentration of forces and the planned activity against the EU, the union of capital.
We have experience, the people experience the painful consequences of the Treaty of Maastricht, of the Lisbon Treaty, the strategy “Europe2020”the harsh measures of the “Reinforced Economic Governance”. They face the imperialist aggressiveness which is spearheaded by “the common Foreign Security and Defence Policy”, and its common activity with theUSAand NATO.


Our INITIATIVE serves the joint struggle for the elections for the European Parliament and other forthcoming political battles.
We will wage the battle of the EU parliamentary elections in a determined way with as our criteria the people’s needs, the people’s interests against the European Union and its strategy. Against the bourgeois, liberal and social democratic parties which serve the interests of capital, against the forces of opportunism which support the EU and follow the line of capitalism’s management.
This is not something easy, it will be strenuous, we will face difficulties but we can fight against them. We will act collectively and in a planned way for our common goals.


We will support this effort with the contribution of all parties, with responsibility and persistence, an effort which will lend impetus to the struggle of the communist movement inEuropeand will have a positive impact on the international communist movement.
We have made a good start, aware of our obligations and tasks. We start with 30 communist parties and in the course we will make efforts so that other parties that agree with the founding declaration and today are hesitating to join us will participate in the Initiative. The door is open, the discussion is continuing.


Dear comrades,
Our agreement on the founding declaration has a great significance because it allows us to begin with a solid basis and so that we can develop this communist initiative. The leading forces of the ELP have made their own choices, they support the EU and its basic strategic positions.
They support a union of capital which is continuingly becoming more reactionary and dangerous, they have renounced the principles of our worldview, the principles of Marxism-Leninism. The responsibility is theirs, we believe that the communists will draw valuable conclusions and will support our INITIATIVE.

The plan of activity in the following period


Dear comrades,
Today we can set the basis for the plan of the activity of the next period, enriching our goals of struggle and our interventions.
In this direction we propose that we proceed as follows:
ŸTo prepare an intervention regarding the EU Summit Meeting in December which will examine important issues at the expense of the peoples including the revision of the EU Common Security and Defence Policy.
ŸTo immediately prepare an intervention for the release of the 4 Cuban militants who are imprisoned in theUSAand to take a position against the EU common position.
ŸTo prepare in good time a statement on the EU parliamentary elections to be issued in January, following up in April with a short appeal.
ŸTo prepare an intervention against anticommunism, against the banning of Communist Parties and their symbols and to issue it in February 2014.
ŸIn February 2014 to take a position on the role of the EU parties, including the ELP.
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To prepare a special position on the capitalist restructurings promoted by the EU for March 2014 and to highlight the consequences at the expense of the workers and particularly the youth.
ŸBy the beginning of April to prepare a position on the EU Common Foreign Security and Defence Policy of the EU and the participation in imperialist wars.
The abovementioned will take place through consultation with the Secretariat of the INITIATIVE and there will be a specific allocation of tasks regarding the issues of the plan of the activity which will be agreed on today.

Dear comrades,


Let us also look at two issues:
First: submitting questions to the EU Parliament on the problems of the workers in various European countries utilizing the communist MEPs.
Second: the organization of joint meetings in various countries utilizing cadresfrom the CPs that participate in the Initiative in order to exchange experience and support the activities of our parties.

Dear comrades,
We start together a very important effort and we are obliged to devote our forces in order for the INITIATIVE to succeed, for the interests of the working class, the popular strata, the youth.
We wish you all strength and every success.”

The founding declaration of the INITIATIVE is as follows:
“Founding Declaration of the INITIATIVE of Communist and Workers’ Parties to study and elaborate European issues and to coordinate their activity.
The following communist and workers' parties of the EU member states, associated related states, and other European countries, declare:


We support the principles of scientific socialism and are united by the vision of a society without the exploitation of man by man, without poverty, social injustice and imperialist wars.


We consider that the EU is capital's choice. It promotes measures in favour of the monopolies, the concentration and centralization of capital; it is strengthening its characteristics as an imperialist economic, political and military bloc opposed to the interests of the working class, the popular strata; it intensifies armaments, authoritarianism, state repression, limiting sovereign rights.


It is our assessment that the European Union is the European imperialist centre, supports the aggressive plans against the peoples, and is aligned with theUSAand NATO. It has militarism as a structural element.
We consider that there is another development path for the peoples. The perspective of anotherEurope, the prosperity of the peoples, social progress, democratic rights, equal cooperation, peace, and socialism are highlighted through the workers' struggles.
We believe in the right of every people to choose its own sovereign path of development, including the right to disengage from the multi-level dependencies on the EU and NATO, as well as the right to choose socialism.
We are not full members of the so-called "European Parties", which are formed by the EU and amongst them the so-called "European Left Party".
We decided through this founding declaration to establish the "INITIATIVE of communist and workers' parties in order to study and elaborate European issues and to coordinate their activity".
Every communist and workers' party from an EU member state or associated state, as well as from other European countries that accepts this Declaration and its conditions can participate in this INITIATIVE.

The goal of the INITIATIVE is to contribute to the research and study of issues concerning Europe, particularly concerning the EU, the political line which is drawn up in its framework and has an impact on the lives of the workers, as well as to assist the elaboration of joint positions of the parties and the coordination of their solidarity and their other activities.
The INITIATIVE, which is addressed primarily to the communist and workers' parties of EU countries, keeps the possibility open for a multi-facetted cooperation with communist and workers' parties of countries that are not EU member-states or are associated states.

Every year it shall carry out at least one meeting of its members and agrees on a corresponding Secretariat to coordinate the activity of the INITIATIVE.

The meetings of the Secretariat shall be made known in advance and are also open to the other members of the INITIATIVE.
The INITIATIVE has a joint symbol: a worker who is breaking the chains of capital
It has a website to promote its positions and the positions of the parties that comprise it. The Secretariat will manage this joint website, which will be agreed on by the parties that participate in the INITIATIVE.”




Election of a Secretariat
The parties that participated in the Founding Meeting approved a provisional operating framework of the initiative, the Common Symbol of the Initiative and elected a 9 member Secretariat to coordinate their activity. The following parties participate in the Secretariat: the KKE, the Hungarian Workers’ Party, the Workers’ Party of Ireland, Communists People’s Left-Communist Party of Italy, the Socialist Party of Latvia, the Communist Party of Slovakia, the Communist Party of the Peoples of Spain, the Communist Party of Sweden and the Communist Party of Turkey.

[Hrafn]

Interesting.

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ECM 2013: Introductory speech by the GS of the CC of the KKE, Dimitris Koutsoumpas (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/ECM-2013-Introductory-speech-by-the-GS-of-the-CC-of-the-KKE-Dimitris-Koutsoumpas/)

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

We believe in the right of every people to choose its own sovereign path of development, including the right to disengage from the multi-level dependencies on the EU and NATO, as well as the right to choose socialism.
We are not full members of the so-called "European Parties", which are formed by the EU and amongst them the so-called "European Left Party".

This is reactionary. Every person who has read a single Marxist text on bourgeois state developments understands that the more territory the class enemy state covers, the more beneficial to working class revolution. Besides that, secession by any Euro country from the EU would spell the destruction of all of Europes integrated economy and ruin. Nationalism is no solution, what is needed is European wide political organization, a Communist Europarty in the EU Parliament, coordinated growth of the workers movement and communism. Also, did Lenin or Stalin give the "peoples" the "right" to choose Socialism? What ridiculousness.

[Geiseric]

This is reactionary. Every person who has read a single Marxist text on bourgeois state developments understands that the more territory the class enemy state covers, the more beneficial to working class revolution. Besides that, secession by any Euro country from the EU would spell the destruction of all of Europes integrated economy and ruin. Nationalism is no solution, what is needed is European wide political organization, a Communist Europarty in the EU Parliament, coordinated growth of the workers movement and communism. Also, did Lenin or Stalin give the "peoples" the "right" to choose Socialism? What ridiculousness.

Lenin was actually voted into the Soviets asking with many other Bolsheviks so yes. Don't compare Stalin to Lenin please. Stalin purged the Soviets of people who were voted in, so he was anti Leninist.

[Durruti's friend]

Nice thing to hear about. Not gonna change anything, though. Especially if basically social-democratic parties like the Croatian Socialist Workers' Party and suspiciously nationalist ones like the New Communist Party of Yugoslavia are let in.

Maybe that says something about the political views of the whole Initiative, but I wouldn't go there.

Nevertheless...

Dear comrades,
Today we can set the basis for the plan of the activity of the next period, enriching our goals of struggle and our interventions.
In this direction we propose that we proceed as follows:
ŸTo prepare an intervention regarding the EU Summit Meeting in December which will examine important issues at the expense of the peoples including the revision of the EU Common Security and Defence Policy.
ŸTo immediately prepare an intervention for the release of the 4 Cuban militants who are imprisoned in the USA and to take a position against the EU common position.
ŸTo prepare in good time a statement on the EU parliamentary elections to be issued in January, following up in April with a short appeal.
ŸTo prepare an intervention against anticommunism, against the banning of Communist Parties and their symbols and to issue it in February 2014.
ŸIn February 2014 to take a position on the role of the EU parties, including the ELP.
ŸTo prepare a special position on the capitalist restructurings promoted by the EU for March 2014 and to highlight the consequences at the expense of the workers and particularly the youth.
ŸBy the beginning of April to prepare a position on the EU Common Foreign Security and Defence Policy of the EU and the participation in imperialist wars....good luck with that :thumbup1:.

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This is reactionary. Every person who has read a single Marxist text on bourgeois state developments understands that the more territory the class enemy state covers, the more beneficial to working class revolution. Besides that, secession by any Euro country from the EU would spell the destruction of all of Europes integrated economy and ruin. Nationalism is no solution, what is needed is European wide political organization, a Communist Europarty in the EU Parliament, coordinated growth of the workers movement and communism. Also, did Lenin or Stalin give the "peoples" the "right" to choose Socialism? What ridiculousness.
Since you mentioned Lenin, have you ever read this (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/)?

It tells a lot on why EU is a bad thing.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Since you mentioned Lenin, have you ever read this (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/)?

It tells a lot on why EU is a bad thing.

One of the first texts I read actually. And if you read Kautsky on the subject, where Lenin takes his inspiration, you see what utter nonsense the theory is that capitalism can exist without imperialism.

I'm not some anti-imperialist, national liberation freedom fighter sitting in the jungles of Africa or Asia. I live in the heart of the most dominant capitalist states of the world and my interest is not revolution in the weak and poor capitalist states, because that was tried for nearly one hundred years and failed miserably. If you want to liberate the oppressed states and countries of the third world, the only viable way to do it is to overthrow the globally strongest capitalist states of Europe and America.

Did Lenin write anywhere contrary to Marx and Engels' position that we Communists should be reactionaries and advocate small territorial bourgeois state organizations? Maybe I missed that part. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to continue taking for granted that today's world state organizations simply must be transnational, and that we communists should call for these transnational state organizations of the class enemy to be overthrown by a transnational communist party.

[Geiseric]

One of the first texts I read actually. And if you read Kautsky on the subject, where Lenin takes his inspiration, you see what utter nonsense the theory is that capitalism can exist without imperialism.

I'm not some anti-imperialist, national liberation freedom fighter sitting in the jungles of Africa or Asia. I live in the heart of the most dominant capitalist states of the world and my interest is not revolution in the weak and poor capitalist states, because that was tried for nearly one hundred years and failed miserably. If you want to liberate the oppressed states and countries of the third world, the only viable way to do it is to overthrow the globally strongest capitalist states of Europe and America.

Did Lenin write anywhere contrary to Marx and Engels' position that we Communists should be reactionaries and advocate small territorial bourgeois state organizations? Maybe I missed that part. As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to continue taking for granted that today's world state organizations simply must be transnational, and that we communists should call for these transnational state organizations of the class enemy to be overthrown by a transnational communist party.

The revolution starts in capitalisms weak links though, it seems that has always been the case. What if it does though start in Greece instead of Germany? The German communists are bound to supporting the Greeks. If it happens in mexico, U.S. comrades are honor bound to stop any attempt at intervention, unless you want to take after kautsky and renegade. But conditions differ from country to country, necessitating flexibility. By no means should U.S. communists "hold back," the revolution in mexico, nor assume leadership, if the revolutionary parties which dont exist yet are part of the same international.

I'm all for a transnational assembly of communists but a transnational party which becomes centralized like what happened with Comintern is a bad idea. It has to be a place where comrades can be treated as equal. Of course I'm against what the Stalinists are saying, that greece should break away from the EU and whatnot.

[hashem]

these parties are reactionary (or reformist at best). a true proletarian movement should repel likes of these parties in order to advance.

[Lokomotive293]

This is reactionary. Every person who has read a single Marxist text on bourgeois state developments understands that the more territory the class enemy state covers, the more beneficial to working class revolution.

"Victorious socialism must achieve complete democracy and, consequently, not only bring about the complete equality of nations, but also give effect to the right of oppressed nations to self-determination, i.e., the right to free political secession. Socialist Parties which fail to prove by all their activities now, as well as during the revolution and after its victory, that they will free the enslaved nations and establish relations with them on the basis of a free union and a free union is a lying phrase without right to secession—such
parties would be committing treachery to socialism." - V. I. Lenin

Read this (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/jan/x01.htm)


Besides that, secession by any Euro country from the EU would spell the destruction of all of Europes integrated economy and ruin.

Europe's integrated economy is a tool of German Imperialism and the reason for the economic ruin of Greece, Spain, Cyprus etc.


Nationalism is no solution

I think you should realize what situation we are in. We are in a situation, where one Imperialist nation has established, through what is essentially a very institutionalized free-trade-agreement, control over many other, smaller countries. And, in the process, ruined those countries' economies.
There is nothing progressive about the EU, and there is also nothing anti-nationalist about it. I could be very provocative and ask if the struggle of the French résistance for liberation from German oppression was "nationalism" and "no solution" as well.


what is needed is European wide political organization, a Communist Europarty in the EU Parliament, coordinated growth of the workers movement and communism.

1) There is no European capital, no European bourgeoisie. The EU does, in no way, transcend nation states, it's an Imperialist pact, an institutionalized free-trade-agreement. Therefore, a European-wide party doesn't make sense.

2) The EU parliament is a joke that doesn't even deserve the name.


Also, did Lenin or Stalin give the "peoples" the "right" to choose Socialism? What ridiculousness.

Well, they were great supporters of the right to national self-determination.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

The revolution starts in capitalisms weak links though, it seems that has always been the case. What if it does though start in Greece instead of Germany? The German communists are bound to supporting the Greeks. If it happens in mexico, U.S. comrades are honor bound to stop any attempt at intervention, unless you want to take after kautsky and renegade. But conditions differ from country to country, necessitating flexibility. By no means should U.S. communists "hold back," the revolution in mexico, nor assume leadership, if the revolutionary parties which dont exist yet are part of the same international.

I'm all for a transnational assembly of communists but a transnational party which becomes centralized like what happened with Comintern is a bad idea. It has to be a place where comrades can be treated as equal. Of course I'm against what the Stalinists are saying, that greece should break away from the EU and whatnot.

What are the "weakest links" though? From my view, the "weakest link" cannot simply be identified by objective factors such as a national lack of industrial capacity or economic underdevelopment (as Russia was a victim of during WW1, losing out to the military-technologically advanced Germany),. .
but also by subjective factors, such as the social and political organization, strength and morale of the forces in society.

The last decade of the Left in the United States, a country which has seen massive popular rebellions against war and economic crises in that time, clearly shows how the subjective factor (failure of the proletariat [the vast majority of today's population] to provide an alternative, oppose bourgeois intellectual and popular culture) is crucial in deciding political outcomes in countries which objectively are decidedly fucked.
Who can deny that the US - a country which has been running up a higher and higher trade deficit/debt for decades to the point where (in order to continue the system of lending and borrowing) speculative international financial markets are let off the chain, where a quarter of the population are struggling to have steady income, where every fourth child experiences Hunger while more than half of all food produced is thrown out, where the criminal minority whose faces cover the Fortune 500 magazines and live an unbelievable life of luxury and privilege crown the complete deterioration of the social contract - who can deny that this country smitten in economic and political crises is by all objective factors "weak"?

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

"Victorious socialism must achieve complete democracy and, consequently, not only bring about the complete equality of nations, but also give effect to the right of oppressed nations to self-determination, i.e., the right to free political secession. Socialist Parties which fail to prove by all their activities now, as well as during the revolution and after its victory, that they will free the enslaved nations and establish relations with them on the basis of a free union and a free union is a lying phrase without right to secession—such
parties would be committing treachery to socialism." - V. I. Lenin

Lenin writes about the freedom of Socialist nations to secede from political unions! If a territory has already been freed from the grips of the class enemy State and has already achieved true Proletarian democratic rule, then of course it is only chauvinist to demand a forced unity of particular brother countries.






Europe's integrated economy is a tool of German Imperialism and the reason for the economic ruin of Greece, Spain, Cyprus etc.

Is it solely the German bourgeoisie's State which advises its brother states and neighbors to impose austerity on the working classes of Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain? How naive...


I think you should realize what situation we are in. We are in a situation, where one Imperialist nation has established, through what is essentially a very institutionalized free-trade-agreement, control over many other, smaller countries. And, in the process, ruined those countries' economies.
There is nothing progressive about the EU, and there is also nothing anti-nationalist about it. I could be very provocative and ask if the struggle of the French résistance for liberation from German oppression was "nationalism" and "no solution" as well.

Naturally, the EU is absolutely and definitively not progressive in any sense. In fact, it is the top of the anti-human global competitive system of States, and the bourgeois representatives of the EU who push the legislation for the EU to hire mercenary "border guards" to send back to high sea and thereby murder thousands of Hunger refugees each year are the shame and curse of humanity whose cowardly actions and state must be attacked. But the existence of a European-wide bourgeois democracy must not be attacked. Why? Because unlike in Hitler's Europe, we Communists today are and would be granted the freedom to gain seats in Parliament and agitate against the corrupt bourgeois representatives and State machinery if we only aspired to.




(Lenin and Stalin) Well, they were great supporters of the right to national self-determination.

Not for fascist countries like Poland or Ukraine though. Only for socialist countries. Which, it so happens, I agree with.

[Lokomotive293]

Lenin writes about the freedom of Socialist nations to secede from political unions! If a territory has already been freed from the grips of the class enemy State and has already achieved true Proletarian democratic rule, then of course it is only chauvinist to demand a forced unity of particular brother countries.

I'm wondering if you have read the whole text.

Because in the next paragraph, Lenin is saying that national self-determination, to a degree, is even possible under capitalism, and that we should participate in the struggle for national self-determination and try to advance it further, towards socialist revolution.


Is it solely the German bourgeoisie's State which advises its brother states and neighbors to impose austerity on the working classes of Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Spain? How naive...

The EU is an Imperialist pact, of course others have interests in it as well. However, Germany has gotten so strong through the EU that they have taken the lead of it, and yes, Germany is responsible for austerity in Greece, not only for the measurements now, but also for what lead to it (= Cheap German exports, made possible by low wages, ruining the Greek economy, which was only made possible by the EU). Germany is the country that profited the most from the EU, and German banks are those that are profiting the most from austerity in Greece etc.


Naturally, the EU is absolutely and definitively not progressive in any sense. In fact, it is the top of the anti-human global competitive system of States, and the bourgeois representatives of the EU who push the legislation for the EU to hire mercenary "border guards" to send back to high sea and thereby murder thousands of Hunger refugees each year are the shame and curse of humanity whose cowardly actions and state must be attacked.

So why keep it?


But the existence of a European-wide bourgeois democracy must not be attacked.

I'm wondering what European-wide bourgeois democracy you are talking about, because I haven't seen anything like that anywhere near. The European parliament is a joke even for a bourgeois parliament, it has no rights whatsoever other than talk. The EU wouldn't count as democracy by its own standards.


Why? Because unlike in Hitler's Europe, we Communists today are and would be granted the freedom to gain seats in Parliament and agitate against the corrupt bourgeois representatives and State machinery if we only aspired to.

You can gain seats in the European parliament while being an independent national party. However, you have to understand that the bourgeois representatives being corrupt isn't the point, because if they weren't, the EU would still be, by its very nature, reactionary.
And, you have to understand, that the EU is not and will never be a state of its own. It's a particularly institutionalized free-trade-agreement, nothing more and nothing less.


Not for fascist countries like Poland or Ukraine though. Only for socialist countries. Which, it so happens, I agree with.

1) So Greece is a fascist country now?

2) Read the whole text.

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If one has read Lenin's Imperialism, has one understand that imperialism is something more than strong countries intervention to weaker ones? Has one understood that imperialism is capitalism on the times of monopolies? Has one understood that in those times, capitalism can maintain only through them?

I guess, since it was KKE that started all that, this (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/On-Imperialism-The-Imperialist-Pyramid/)can help on the view of the initiative on imperialism.

[Rafiq]

Since you mentioned Lenin, have you ever read this (http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/)?

It tells a lot on why EU is a bad thing.

Imperialism will continue to exist without the EU, the only difference would be the magnitude of it's barbarism, which would be much greater. The EU is a bad thing insofar as it is a union of bourgeois states, however any problems a communist may have with the EU will not be solved through national secession. Nothing is worse than the rule of an independent national bourgeoisie.

[Rafiq]

If one has read Lenin's Imperialism, has one understand that imperialism is something more than strong countries intervention to weaker ones? Has one understood that imperialism is capitalism on the times of monopolies? Has one understood that in those times, capitalism can maintain only through them?

I guess, since it was KKE that started all that, this (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/On-Imperialism-The-Imperialist-Pyramid/)can help on the view of the initiative on imperialism.

Lenins conception of imperialism did not account for changes in global capitalism after the second world war. If anything was proven by history it is that national liberation is not in the interests of the proletariat. The only way to destroy imperialism is through proletarian dictatorship.

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Speech of Giorgos Marinos Member of the PB of the CC of the KKE at the 15th International Meeting of Communist and Workers’ Parties in Lisbon (http://inter.kke.gr/en/articles/Speech-of-Giorgos-Marinos-Member-of-the-PB-of-the-CC-of-the-KKE-at-the-15th-International-Meeting-of-Communist-and-Workers-Parties-in-Lisbon/)


Dear comrades,
We thank the Portuguese Communist Party for the hospitality and we salute the representatives of the CPs, which participate in the 15th International Meeting of the Communist and Workers’ Parties.
The KKE honours the communist Alvaro Cunhal, General Secretary of the Portuguese Communist Party, an illustrious figure of the communist movement, on the occasion of the 100 year anniversary of his birth this year.
Alvaro Cunhal devoted his life to the struggle for the interests of the working class, for the cause of socialism, was a strong supporter of the principle of proletarian internationalism.
The struggles of this generation of communists inspire us to continue our struggle more decisively in order to implement the tasks that we have ahead of us, to overthrow the outdated capitalist system.
Dear comrades,
The developments we are witnessing confirm the assessment that capitalism is becoming continually more reactionary and dangerous, it gives rise to crises and wars. It condemns millions of workers to unemployment, poverty, it can not satisfy the expanded needs of the people.
This situation manifests itself all over the globe and the communist movement is obliged to make the greatest possible effort for its own independent ideological, political and mass struggle, to acquire a unified revolutionary strategy.

We assess that it is precisely this issue that must take its due position in all the discussions of the CPs in combination with the coordinated activity on the people’s problems in conflict with capital’s forces.

The communist movement must answer this crucial question, with what strategy will it be able to stand on solid ground and express as effectively as possible the interests of the working class, the popular strata in a line of conflict with capitalist barbarity. Treating socialism not as a goal for the distant future, but as an issue of the daily activity as its timeliness is highlighted by the torments of the peoples.
From this standpoint, we would like to focus our attention on issues where different opinions, disagreements are expressed in the communist movement, taking into account that the position which argues that we can proceed “on the basis of what we agree on” leads to complacency, does not allow a deeper examination of the weaknesses and the taking of measures in order to deal with matters of strategic importance, which are necessary for the regroupment of the communist parties, so that they can fulfill their role as the vanguard of the working class.
First, the problem of the crisis also concerned us in previous international meetings, but unfortunately we observe that there remain approaches that talk of a “crisis of neo-liberalism”, a “financial crisis”. These approaches are limited to incriminating a form of capitalism’s management, exonerating the social-democratic, neo-Keynesian management, the capitalist system itself. These positions absolutize the role of banking capital, underestimating the role of other sections of capital, bypassing the reality of the merging of industrial and banking capital, the role of finance capital that is a characteristic trait of capitalism in its highest imperialist stage today.
The problem is deeper and is related to the laws of the system’s operation. The crisis manifests itself periodically in the capitalist states, irrespective of the form of bourgeois management.

The peoples are facing a capitalist crisis of over-production and capital over-accumulation, the preconditions of which were created in the conditions of the growth of the capitalist economy.

The capitalist crisis which stops the expanded reproduction of social capital has its basis in the basic contradiction of the system, in the social character of production and in the capitalist appropriation of its results due to the capitalist ownership of the means of production. It is precisely this that is the source of surplus value and exploitation, the source of the anarchic and uneven development that characterizes the system.
The strengthening of the monopolies, the internationalization of the capitalist economy sharpen the anarchic development, sharpen the contradictions with greater intensity and lead to deeper crises, to a tougher competition amongst the major business groups and the capitalist states, and bring imperialist wars closer.
Problems emerged during the crisis which are related to the struggle of the CPs and the labour and people’s movement and allow us to provide some examples.
The bourgeois governments, liberal, social-democratic, and with the participation of the governmental left, imposed harsh anti-people measures in Greece. Memoranda and loan agreements with the EU, the European Central Bank, the International Monetary Fund were signed, but the attack on the working class and people’s rights is not exclusively related to the memoranda, as the European Left Party and other opportunist forces claim in order to support the “anti-memorandum line” and to exonerate the more general strategy of capital.
The truth is that the measures that were imposed are included in the strategy of the European Union, in the strategy of the monopolies, using the capitalist restructurings since the beginning of the 1990s. This strategy seeks the reduction of the price of labour power, the strengthening of the competitiveness of the European monopolies against their competitors, especially against the major business groups of the emerging capitalist powers of China, India, Brazil where the levels of the price of labour power are very low .
In this framework, the anti-people measures are not only implemented in states that have signed a memorandum but also in many other capitalist states in Europe and all over the world.
The confrontation over the forms of management of the capitalist economy is intensifying during the crisis.
Two blocs of economic and political forces have been formed in Greece. The one with as its core the ND-PASOK government together with the EU which is in favour of the harsh fiscal policy and the other with SYRIZA, the International Monetary Fund and the USA, which support a more relaxed fiscal policy with the aim of strengthening the state-funding of the monopolies. These management proposals respond to the needs of specific sections of capital and are a part of the more general inter-imperialist competition.
In conclusion, we can say that each form of bourgeois management serves the profitability of the monopolies through the imposition of the anti-people measures, the intensification of the exploitation of the working class, the deterioration of the situation for the popular strata.

On the basis of the different forms of bourgeois management of the system, (liberal or Keynesian), the reformation of the political scene is being promoted in Greece so that the bourgeois class can control the developments, impede the class struggle, insert every kind of barrier in the face of the struggle of the KKE and the class-oriented movement. The reformation is expressed through the creation of a centre-right pole with the liberal ND party as its axis and the centre-left pole with SYRIZA as its axis.
Our party wants to inform the CPs that the ELP and other opportunist forces are attempting in a planned way to distort the reality and present SYRIZA as a pro-people force, which is fighting for the interests of the workers against capital. The truth is that SYRIZA as an opportunist formation which developed into a pillar of social-democratic management is supported by sections of the bourgeois class, it is a defender of capitalism and the European Union. It is a party that extolled the political line of Obama as progressive and fostered the myth that a new wind would blow for the workers in Europe with the election of Hollande.
A feature of the reformation of the bourgeois political system in Greece is also the criminal fascist organization of Golden Dawn.
Golden Dawn is the creation of capitalism, it is supported by the bourgeois state and its mechanisms. It developed with the toleration of the bourgeois parties in order to operate as capital’s force of repression to strike against the labour and people’s movement, against the communists.
Our party argues that the isolation and crushing of Golden Dawn is a matter for the organized struggle of the working class, the people’s alliance. This struggle can not be carried out through the so-called anti-fascist fronts which bourgeois and opportunist forces propose, but through the struggle that has as its goals the abolition of the causes which give rise to fascism, the overthrow of capitalist exploitation, the conflict with the EU which has anti-communism as its official ideology and promotes the anti-historical equation of fascism with communism.
Second, reality demonstrates that in conditions of capitalist crisis the inter-imperialist contradictions are sharpening, as well as the competition for the acquisition of new areas to invest accumulated capital, for the control of natural resources. On this terrain, the causes of military conflicts and multifaceted interventions are being formed. This is something that we are experiencing in the region of the Eastern Mediterranean, the Middle East, the Persian Gulf, the Caspian Sea, in many regions of the globe.
The KKE is opposed to the imperialist wars, is fighting against Greece’s involvement and has clarified that in any case, whatever form Greece’s participation in an imperialist war takes, the KKE must be ready to lead the independent organization of the workers’-people’s resistance, so that this struggle is linked to the struggle for the defeat of the bourgeois class, both of the domestic bourgeois class and the foreign one as an invader.
The KKE must take the initiative, in line with the specific conditions, for the formation of the workers’ and people’s front with as its slogan: “the people will bring the liberation and the way-out from the capitalist system, which as long as it prevails brings war and “peace” with the gun to the people’s head.”
This position is of particular importance for the international communist movement and protects the peoples from being entrapped by the one or the other section of the bourgeois class, by the one or the other imperialist alliance. This is even more important as in recent years there is an attempt for the view about a so-called “multi-polar world” to be adopted and for false dilemmas to be posed which aim at manipulating the peoples and entangling them in the inter-imperialist competition.
Third, the stance of the communists and the peoples against the imperialist system and the imperialist union is of great importance.
When he spoke about imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism, Lenin was speaking first of all about the economic basis of the system, the dominance of the monopolies. In his work “Imperialism, the highest stage of capitalism”, he mentioned that:
“Unless the economic roots of this phenomenon are understood and its political and social significance is appreciated, not a step can be taken toward the solution of the practical problem of the communist movement”
This position is of great importance for our analysis.
The European Union is not dangerous only due to its course of “unification” (integration) but also due to the fact that it is an inter-state, imperialist union of the monopolies. Both the European Union, as well as the other unions that emerged in Asia or in Latin America and also the BRICS have a specific economic base, they are supported on the cooperation and merging of the strength of the major business monopoly groups and despite the contradictions that manifest themselves in their ranks their basic criterion is their own interests, the control of the markets and consequently they are against the peoples and their rights.
Imperialism is not merely an aggressive foreign policy, it is capitalism in its final, highest stage, it is a system in which the capitalist states are assimilated and they take their position in line with their economic, military and political strength.
In these conditions it is very important to deal with the issues of “dependency” and “sovereignty” on a class basis. The issue must begin to be discussed, we must concern ourselves because it has very serious political consequences, the mistaken treatment of this leads to the support for management solutions and to an alliance policy with sections of the bourgeois class, with political forces that are defenders of the exploitative system.
The 19th congress of the KKE assessed that in the framework of uneven development “Capitalism in Greece is in the imperialist stage of its development, in an intermediate position in the international imperialist system, with strong uneven dependencies on the USA and the EU.”
That is to say, the basic issue is the uneven development of capitalism which forms relations of uneven dependency and interdependency and for this reason positions that present Greece as well as other states with a lower position in the imperialist pyramid as being occupied, as being colonies have no basis.
Of course, as long as the bourgeois class has the reins of power it builds international relations according to its class interest and on this basis it cedes sovereign rights. The concepts of “independence”, “sovereignty” are concepts with a class content and they must be dealt with in a direction which stresses that the working class with its own power can become the master in its own country, choose the path of development that corresponds to its own interests and build the respective international relations with disengagement from the EU, NATO and the other imperialist unions.
In addition we want to note that the colonies as an element of the historical course of capitalism have disappeared. This is the undeniable reality. Colonialism was overthrown through the struggle of the peoples and the major contribution of socialism. This page has been turned and unfortunately today positions are reviving which present the uneven relations of capitalist states inside the imperialist system as a phenomenon of neocolonialism. Countries with developed monopoly capitalism, with a strong bourgeois class and bourgeois state are characterized as new colonies, an intermediate stage is being adopted as a form of bourgeois management for the resolution of these problems.
Fourth, the character of our era is a fundamental issue for the elaboration of the revolutionary strategy. The objective facts prove that, irrespective of the counterrevolutionary overthrow of socialism in the Soviet Union and the other socialist countries, our era continues to be an era of transition from capitalism to socialism.
Why? Because capitalism has decayed; because it is plagued by insurmountable contradictions; because it has exhausted its historical limits. The emergence and the development of monopolies, of the big joint-stock companies, the emergence and development of the working class, the entrance of capitalism into its higher imperialist stage underline that the material preconditions have matured which allow for the construction of the new socialist-communist society. This is a defining element of the Marxist-Leninist analysis of the developments as it shows the direction of the struggle of the communist parties that have the obligation to prepare themselves in a multifaceted way so as to meet the needs of the struggle for socialism-communism; so as to contribute to the maturation of the subjective factor, to the preparation of the working class as the vanguard class in the capitalist society, in order for it to play the leading role in the alliance with the popular strata and to struggle for the power.
The formation of the political class consciousness cannot be carried out with the old tools for managing the system. Political positions that trap the working class into the bourgeois management with the form of intermediate stages between capitalism and socialism, political positions that support the participation in the one or the other government of bourgeois management which is labeled either as “left” or “progressive” have no place in the era of transition from capitalism to socialism.
The power will be either in the hands of the bourgeois class i.e. the capitalists or in the hands of the working class. The means of production will be either under capitalist or social ownership. Regardless of their intentions, the solutions within the framework of the system not only do not constitute a form of approaching the socialist solution but on the contrary they favour the perpetuation of capitalism, they buy time for it, they foster illusions among the working people.
Our party does not at all diminish the importance of historical experience; it takes seriously into consideration the complex character of the political and social processes.
It studies the developments in Chile but also in Portugal in the 1970s, it studies the recent experience in Cyprus and the developments in Latin America.
On the basis of this study we can make the case and on the basis of the results that no management solution has been confirmed as a way for the transition to socialism and it could not have been otherwise. Because this path perpetuates the contradiction between capital and labour, can not prevent the capitalist crises, unemployment, exploitation because it maintains the causes that breed them, because capitalist profit continues to be the criterion of development.
The choice of the intermediate stages violates a commonly accepted position, the position that between capitalism and socialism-communism there is no intermediate socio-economic system, no intermediate political power.
Of course the communists struggle inside the bourgeois parliaments for the promotion and the defense of the people’s rights combining and giving priority to the extra-parliamentary activity but this has no relation with the adoption of parliamentary views that sow confusion that a pro-people solution can emerge through the bourgeois institutions.
The parliamentary path which historically has been extolled by the opportunist forces is one of the most significant factors that lead to the assimilation of strong Communist Parties, to the reduction of the demands of the working people.
History teaches.
The rationale of reforms and the rejection of the revolutionary path, the rejection of the socialist revolution, constitute a painful retreat and negation of the most basic element that characterizes a Communist Party.
The class struggle has its own laws which are founded on the contradiction between capital and labour which has a universal character and concerns the capitalist states as a whole. The class struggle is not restricted to the development of struggles in order to determine the conditions for the sale of labour power. But it is determined by the issue of the abolition of the capitalist exploitation, of the struggle for the conquest of power.
The Communist Party in each country has the obligation to study the specific situation, the development of capitalism, the course of the sectors and the branches of economy, the changes in the superstructure, the class and social structure in order to chart a revolutionary strategy. However, this is totally different from the positions which in the name of national particularities negate the revolutionary strategy and replace the struggle for socialism by governmental solutions and a policy for alliances which correspond to the bourgeois management.
The treatment of socialism merely as a declaration is causing great damage. It downgrades the strategic goal itself, the goal that determines the tactics, the stance of the Communist Parties as a whole, their work in the labour and people’s movement, their policy for alliances.
In their programmatic declarations “Eurocommunism” and the other opportunist currents referred to socialism but their political line negated the revolutionary path. In the name of national peculiarities they fought against the laws of the socialist revolution and construction. In the works of Carrillo and Berlinguer the term socialism appears deprived of its essence: without the working class power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, without the socialization of the means of production and central planning. They were talking about transformation, the democratization of the bourgeois state, of the dictatorship of the monopolies, they were fostering illusions about pro-people solutions through the parliamentary path, through the bourgeois government, the alliance with social democracy.
Today, opportunist platforms have emerged which are equally dangerous as “Eurocommunism”, such as “market socialism”, “socialism of the 21st century”, which oppose scientific socialism. There is talk of a “social economy”, the utopia of a humanized capitalism is sought. In several cases there is an attempt to reduce, to negate the crucial importance of the class struggle at a national level in the name of “globalization”.
In any case, the front against opportunism is an element of the confrontation with the capitalism system, with imperialism and any tolerance or retreat has a corrosive effect at the expense of the communist movement and its prospect.
The so called European Left Party which is forming networks all over the world with the funds of the EU is causing great damage to the communist movement; it is a vehicle that promotes the strategy of the EU in the labour movement, it is inextricably linked with social democracy and it must be dealt with in a strict ideological-political way.
Its core consists of forces which celebrated the overthrow of socialism, forces which in the framework of anticommunism identify themselves with various bourgeois and other reactionary forces in the name of “anti-Stalinism”.
As a conclusion we can say that the class content and consequently the contemporary content of the ideological-political and mass struggle today is determined by the rupture, the conflict against the monopolies and the capitalist system, against the imperialist organizations. It is determined by the organization of the working class in the workplaces, by the formation of the alliance with the popular strata, the multi-faceted preparation for the overthrow of capitalism, for the socialist-communist society, for the abolition of the exploitation of man by man.
Our duty is to reflect on the fact that Marx and Engels in their era, which was an era of bourgeois revolutions, spoke about the independent ideological-political struggle of the working class. Our duty is to take into account how deeply they studied the experience of the Paris Commune in 1871 and that they spoke of the necessity of the working class power, of the smashing of the bourgeois state.
We have the duty to reflect on the experience of the great October Revolution in 1917 and to contribute to the adjustment of the programmatic directions of the Communist Parties, of their strategy to the requirements of our era.
“Imperialism is the eve of the social revolution of the proletariat” stressed Lenin.
A revolutionary situation was formed after the First World War in Germany, in Hungary, in Slovakia, in Italy. A revolutionary situation was formed in Greece in 1944 but the possibility was not transformed into a reality.
The crucial factor in order to wage decisively the battle is the prompt preparation of the communist parties and the working class for tough class confrontations that correspond to the needs of our era.
The bourgeois democratic character of the revolution corresponded to the period of the overthrow of feudalism, when the bourgeois class was a revolutionary class. Now capitalism has replaced feudalism, the basic contradiction between capital and labour is sharpening.
The programme of the KKE, which was approved unanimously by the recent 19th Congress, makes the following reference: “The Greek people will be liberated from the bonds of capitalist exploitation and the imperialist unions when the working class together with its allies carries out the socialist revolution and moves forwards to construct socialism-communism. The KKE's strategic goal is the conquest of revolutionary working-class power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, for the socialist construction as the immature phase of the communist society.
The revolutionary change in Greece will be socialist.”
The motor forces of the socialist revolution will be the working class as the leading force, the semi-proletarians, the oppressed popular strata of the urban self-employed, the poor farmers, who are negatively affected by the monopolies.
The programme of the KKE analyses the issue of the objective factors that may lead to a revolutionary situation (those below who no longer wish to live as they used to and those above who cannot govern as they used to). It gives a particular emphasis to the deepening of the capitalist crisis and the involvement of Greece in an imperialist war, it paves the way for the preparation of the party, and the labour and people’s movement.
The KKE and PAME play a leading role in the class struggle and have a significant contribution to the development of dozens of strike mobilisations and other multifaceted struggles. Nevertheless, we note that the labour and people’s movement was not well prepared and organised so as to deal with the aggressiveness of capital in the conditions of the capitalist crisis. The negative correlation of forces, the impact of the employer and government-led trade unionism, the role of opportunism, social democracy, the labour aristocracy, which support the strategy of capital, are crucial factors.
Today in conditions of non-revolutionary situation our party gives priority to:
The regroupment of the labour movement so that it becomes capable of meeting the needs of the class struggle, so that the working class fulfils its role as the vanguard class in society, as a vehicle of the revolutionary change.
The regroupment of the labour movement means strong, mass trade unions that will struggle in a class direction, based on the workers, on the young working people, the women, the immigrants, through collective procedures that safeguard the participation in decision-making and the implementation of the decisions. Strengthening of PAME, of the class-oriented rally in the labour movement, the change of the correlation of forces at the expense of the forces of reformism, opportunism, employer and government-led trade unionism, the vehicles of social partnership.
Strong party organizations in the factories, in enterprises of strategic importance.
The labour movement is struggling in a militant and organized way concerning all the problems of the working class based on the criterion of the contemporary needs, achieving the orientation of confrontation against the forces of capital for the overthrow of the capitalist exploitation as well as a high level of class unity.
The working class with its vanguard stance must play the leading role in the construction of the people’s alliance that provides an answer to the question regarding the organization of the struggle to repel the barbaric anti-labour- anti-people measures, to organize the people’s counterattack.
The People’s Alliance expresses the interests of the working class, the semi-proletarians, the self employed and the poor farmers, the young people and the women of the poor popular strata in the struggle against the monopolies and capitalist ownership, against the assimilation of the country into the imperialist unions. The People’s Alliance is a social alliance and struggles in terms of the movement, following a line of rupture and overthrow.
Today it is being formed on the basis of the common struggle of PAME, the class-oriented rally in the labour movement, of PASY among the poor farmers, PASEVE among the self-employed, MAS among students, OGE among women.
It struggles for salaries, pensions, for an exclusively public and free system for healthcare, welfare, education, for all the problems of the workers and the people.
It supports the view that the struggle for a pro-people way out from the crisis is inextricably linked with the struggle for the disengagement from the EU, the unilateral cancellation of the public debt.
The struggle for the disengagement from the EU is linked with the struggle against the power of the monopolies and the struggle of the working class and its allies, for working class- people’s power.
The People’s Alliance adopts the socialization of the concentrated means of production, the central planning, the workers’-social control.
Therallying of the majority of the working class with the KKE and the winning over of vanguard sections of the popular strata will go through various phases. Thelabour movement, the movement of the self-employed in the cities and the farmers and the form of their alliance, the people’s alliance, with the anti-monopoly and anti-capitalist goals, with the vanguard activity of the KKE’s forces in non-revolutionary conditions, constitute the first form for the creation of the revolutionary workers’ and people’s front in revolutionary conditions.
In the conditions of the revolutionary situation, the revolutionary workers’ and people’s front, using all forms of activity, can become the centre of the people’s uprising for the overthrow of the dictatorship of the bourgeois class, for the prevalence of revolutionary institutions that undertake the new organization of society, the establishment of revolutionary working class power which will be based on the productive unit, the social services, the administrative units, the producer cooperatives.
Under the responsibility of the workers’ power:
The means of production will be socialized: in industry, energy-water supply, telecommunications, construction, repair, public transport, wholesale and retail trade, import-export trade, the concentrated tourist – restaurant infrastructures.
Land will be socialized as well as the capitalist agricultural cultivations.
Private ownership and economic activity in education, health-welfare, culture, sports and mass media will be abolished. They will be organized exclusively as social services.
State productive units will be created for the production and the processing of agricultural products.
Agricultural producer cooperatives will be promoted.
Central Planning integrates the labour force, means of production, raw materials and other industrial materials and resources, which will be used in the organization of production, social and administrative services. This is a communist relation of production and distribution that links the working people with the means of the production, the socialist organizations.
The overthrow of socialism is a heavy blow for the communist movement and the causes of the overthrow teach the essential compliance with the laws of the socialist construction, the observance of the revolutionary principles for the construction and the functioning of the Communist Parties, the ideological-political alertness for the prevention of opportunist mistakes and deviations. This is a duty of high importance. Nevertheless, the counterrevolution cannot overshadow the irreplaceable historical contribution of socialism which was constructed in the 20th century to social progress. The stance of each communist party is judged in relation to the defense of socialism against the slanderous attacks of bourgeois and opportunist forces.
Dear comrades,
The KKE, which undertook the responsibility for the organization of the International Meetings after the counterrevolution, will continue the effort for the joint action and the formation of a unified revolutionary strategy of the communist movement, despite the difficulties.
It will continue to contribute to the International Meetings of the Communist Parties insisting on the preservation of their communist character confronting views or plans that support the transformation of the meetings into a space of the “left”.
Our party is decisively opposed to the transformation of the Working Group into a “guiding center”, directly or indirectly, and rejects the adoption of positions that violate tested communist principles, introducing positions that lead to the support of the bourgeois management.
The KKE devotes its forces, as it has always done, for the coordination of the struggle of the Communist Parties in Europe and considers that the INITIATIVE of communist and workers’ parties to research and study European issues is a great achievement for the strengthening of the struggle against the imperialist EU.
In the conditions of the crisis of the communist movement our party supports the idea of the creation of a discrete Marxist-Leninist pole and supports the effort of the “International Communist Review” in which 11 theoretical journals of communist parties take part.

[The Feral Underclass]

What a very pithy and accessible name.

[RevolucionarBG]

these parties are reactionary (or reformist at best). a true proletarian movement should repel likes of these parties in order to advance.

New Communist Party of Yugoslavia is from my country, so I know they aren't reactionary, nor reformists...


And about the topic, good luck!

[hashem]

New Communist Party of Yugoslavia is from my country, so I know they aren't reactionary, nor reformists...


And about the topic, good luck!


there isnt an english page on the site of ''New Communist Party of Yugoslavia'' but on Wikipedia i read: "[the party] considers China, Vietnam, DPRK, Laos and Cuba socialist countries''. if thats true, the party is undoubtedly reactionary.

besides, what kind of revolutionary proletarian organization joins the rank of infamous revisionists?!

[RevolucionarBG]

there isnt an english page on the site of ''New Communist Party of Yugoslavia'' but on Wikipedia i read: "[the party] considers China, Vietnam, DPRK, Laos and Cuba socialist countries''. if thats true, the party is undoubtedly reactionary.

besides, what kind of revolutionary proletarian organization joins the rank of infamous revisionists?!


NCPY is anti-revisionist party. It consider Tito, post-Ho shi Min leadership of Vietnam, post-Stalin leadership of USSR... revisionists.

Well yes, they consider China, Vietnam, DPRK, Laos and Cuba socialist countries, but China, Vietnam and Laos are for them revisionsits, while DPRK and Cuba are considered "normal" socialist countries (you have to understand that in today's situation in world, we need to adopt some sofisticated methods of fightings, so that's why they consider these countries better than ordinary capitalist states).

They're going under slogan: "Even the worst Socialism is better than the best Capitalism", so maybe that's why they are joining the ranks of revisionist international...

[Alonso Quijano]

They're going under slogan: "Even the worst Socialism is better than the best Capitalism", so maybe that's why they are joining the ranks of revisionist international...
So if all the corporations and businesses in said country merge, and seize control formally - that's a socialist country? And if some guy decides to take it by force, and than he rules the country just as they would?

Because I'm pretty sure that the people in those countries have no control over the means of production, and it's not "social ownership" just because a ruler calls it so. Modern SD parties also call themselves socialist, yet we don't believe them, do we?

The whole point of communism is the theory of dialectal history, and advancement. How can one be a communist without seeking the way to communism?

I'm not against revisionism as a concept, but this is getting ridiculous. Especially considering that Leninism itself can be seen as revisionist. But I'm not against supporting those countries because their revisionist, I'm against them because I can't find anything remotely communist in them.

In what way is DPRK better than a capitalist state? In the sense of quality of life? In the sense that as any "marxist state" they have no aspiration towards communism (or even socialism at times), and therefor are even more reactionary than social democrats? Social democrats at lest have the delusion of changing something, I have yet to see a any "marxist" ruling party doing anything towards actual communism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

I'm waiting with excitement for the 'New Communist Party of Britain' to engage me in their revolution...:rolleyes:

Seriously, don't some of these parties do more than just get off to playing cold war politics? It's pathetic. If they had any cajones they'd disband for the good of the working class and the left.

[hashem]

you have to understand that in today's situation in world, we need to adopt some sofisticated methods of fightings, so that's why they consider these countries better than ordinary capitalist states

if we need "sophisticated methods of fighting", then why are you making things so simple and childish for yourself? you believe that any person, party or state which claims to be socialist must be socialist!

workers have more rights in some openly capitalist countries than these countries which use a "socialist" mask to cover their nature.


"Even the worst Socialism is better than the best Capitalism"

" Doesn't Hitler profess belief in "socialism"? Twenty years ago even Mussolini was a "socialist"! And what does their "socialism" amount to? Fascism! "

Mao - "THE ORIENTATION OF THE YOUTH MOVEMENT" (may 4, 1939)

[RevolucionarBG]

So if all the corporations and businesses in said country merge, and seize control formally - that's a socialist country? And if some guy decides to take it by force, and than he rules the country just as they would?

Because I'm pretty sure that the people in those countries have no control over the means of production, and it's not "social ownership" just because a ruler calls it so. Modern SD parties also call themselves socialist, yet we don't believe them, do we?

The whole point of communism is the theory of dialectal history, and advancement. How can one be a communist without seeking the way to communism?

I'm not against revisionism as a concept, but this is getting ridiculous. Especially considering that Leninism itself can be seen as revisionist. But I'm not against supporting those countries because their revisionist, I'm against them because I can't find anything remotely communist in them.

In what way is DPRK better than a capitalist state? In the sense of quality of life? In the sense that as any "marxist state" they have no aspiration towards communism (or even socialism at times), and therefor are even more reactionary than social democrats? Social democrats at lest have the delusion of changing something, I have yet to see a any "marxist" ruling party doing anything towards actual communism.


Well for someone from western europe or nothr America, I assume you'll make answer like this: "In my country (Western Europe or North America) workers have more freedom than in DPRK"... If I wasn't from Eastern Europe, and If I didn't know what that same "capitalism" did to my people I would believe in this...




if we need "sophisticated methods of fighting", then why are you making things so simple and childish for yourself? you believe that any person, party or state which claims to be socialist must be socialist!

workers have more rights in some openly capitalist countries than these countries which use a "socialist" mask to cover their nature.



" Doesn't Hitler profess belief in "socialism"? Twenty years ago even Mussolini was a "socialist"! And what does their "socialism" amount to? Fascism! "

Mao - "THE ORIENTATION OF THE YOUTH MOVEMENT" (may 4, 1939)

That's great! Comparing Hitler and Mussolini to DPRK, Laos, Cuba... -,-
You might put that for some Marxist "tankie", but everyone who actually analized the economy of nazi germany or fascist italy, would see that those countries didn't have anything in common to the socialist one.





And for both of you, so you implicate we should all adopt idea that capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba? Not in my state...

[Tim Cornelis]

And for both of you, so you implicate we should all adopt idea that capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba? Not in my state...

No, we should all adopt the idea that capitalism in the USA is better than capitalism in Cuba and whatever it is they have in North Korea (but it sure as hell isn't the free association of equal producers). By objective measure, the standard of living is (see: Human Development Index).

[RevolucionarBG]

No, we should all adopt the idea that capitalism in the USA is better than capitalism in Cuba and whatever it is they have in North Korea (but it sure as hell isn't the free association of equal producers). By objective measure, the standard of living is (see: Human Development Index).

Haha, great. If I don't know what that "Capitalism" that was installed in my country after the fall of Yugoslavia actually broth to us, I might even believe in that...

And the fact that they're exploating half of the world is also one of the indicators why there individuals live "better" than in Cuba or DPRK. When people in these oppressed countries realise that and take a stick and beat the American influence out of their country, we'll see how long will American economy actually will be able to last.

[Tim Cornelis]

Haha, great. If I don't know what that "Capitalism" that was installed in my country after the fall of Yugoslavia actually broth to us, I might even believe in that...

You keep saying this, but the logic behind it appears to be "the system I lived under was called socialism, therefore I know what socialism is." But instead of this fallacious logic, try to apply Marxism.


And the fact that they're exploating half of the world is also one of the indicators why there individuals live "better" than in Cuba or DPRK. When people in these oppressed countries realise that and take a stick and beat the American influence out of their country, we'll see how long will American economy actually will be able to last.

So you admit then that US capitalism is better to live under than Cuban capitalism?

[hashem]

That's great! Comparing Hitler and Mussolini to DPRK, Laos, Cuba... -,-
You might put that for some Marxist "tankie", but everyone who actually analized the economy of nazi germany or fascist italy, would see that those countries didn't have anything in common to the socialist one.

And for both of you, so you implicate we should all adopt idea that capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba? Not in my state...

North Korea has much in common with old fascist states. forced labour, cult of personality, militarism, unelected leaders, lack of bourgeois democratic rights, censorship, lack of rights for workers and ...

nobody said that "capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba" because no body believed that there is socialism in North Korea, Cuba or such countries at all. but worker movement, women movement, students and all progressive sections of society have forced the governments in advanced countries to recognise some bourgeois democratic rights for them while in countries which you support, humans are treated like slaves or animals.

capitalism has done many crimes in Balkans or everywhere else. but the way to oppose it is not supporting backward sections of imperialism system against its advanced and more powerful sections. by adopting this policy, you are closing the door for true socialism.

"New communist party of Yugoslavia" is just carrying fascism under the banner of "communism".

[RevolucionarBG]

You keep saying this, but the logic behind it appears to be "the system I lived under was called socialism, therefore I know what socialism is." But instead of this fallacious logic, try to apply Marxism.



So you admit then that US capitalism is better to live under than Cuban capitalism?


Sure thing. So it seems that entire history of 1917. - 1991. Socialism is actualy anti-marxist? I don't want to argue with you anymore. I know what system was better for workers in my country.




North Korea has much in common with old fascist states. forced labour, cult of personality, militarism, unelected leaders, lack of bourgeois democratic rights, censorship, lack of rights for workers and ...

nobody said that "capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba" because no body believed that there is socialism in North Korea, Cuba or such countries at all. but worker movement, women movement, students and all progressive sections of society have forced the governments in advanced countries to recognise some bourgeois democratic rights for them while in countries which you support, humans are treated like slaves or animals.

capitalism has done many crimes in Balkans or everywhere else. but the way to oppose it is not supporting backward sections of imperialism system against its advanced and more powerful sections. by adopting this policy, you are closing the door for true socialism.

"New communist party of Yugoslavia" is just carrying fascism under the banner of "communism".


You know all that too good, like you lived in those countries. It's too bad that those "forced labor" was called in Yugoslavia "radne akcije" or on english "working actions" which workers voluntarly applied for that. On those working actions people were working voluntiarly for rebuilding of country after WW2. They were building roads, bridges, railways, factories... all for free, so that society could benefit from it.

How about you stop adopting that retarded logic of Marxistic dogma, and try to understand the current situation in world, from economic, social and geo-political aspect, because, from what I can see, how "Socialism" exists in your country, you actually achieved nothing but empty words and phrases.

I never said I'm member of NCPY.

http://nkpj.org.rs/ - here is a link of their website... Of you don't know my language, well learn it, and then you should see what their ideas really are.

http://www.skoj.org.rs/eng.html - This is english part of website of their youth, so learn from there something, and for other ideas write them e-mail...

And that part about "fascism", if I don't know that my people were 5th nation heavist hitted with fascism in WW2, I could even got offended, but I'll forgive you this time, after all, people from western europe or north america have some "degenerated" idea after all, as a product of hundreads years of brainwashing in their countries...

[Gambino]

It’s impossible to convince people in the US or Europe that the Chinese approach is better for the working class. Working for 14 hours a day in a smart phone factory for extremely low wages, and with no social security is surely not socialism.


Presenting China or North Korea as examples of socialism is extremely damaging for the cause of everybody who is opposing capitalism in the US or in Europe, and trying to fight the neo-liberal offensive. The European working class will definitely not fight for low wages, the end of labor laws and social security, low income distribution, and bad healthcare.

[Alonso Quijano]

Well for someone from western europe or nothr America, I assume you'll make answer like this: "In my country (Western Europe or North America) workers have more freedom than in DPRK"... If I wasn't from Eastern Europe, and If I didn't know what that same "capitalism" did to my people I would believe in this...





That's great! Comparing Hitler and Mussolini to DPRK, Laos, Cuba... -,-
You might put that for some Marxist "tankie", but everyone who actually analized the economy of nazi germany or fascist italy, would see that those countries didn't have anything in common to the socialist one.





And for both of you, so you implicate we should all adopt idea that capitalism in USA is better than Socialism in Korea or Cuba? Not in my state...

Didn't catch your first meaning there, grammatically speaking... I also speak Spanish if it's good for you. Unless of course you think I'm a defender of any capitalist system - then I'd be in the wrong forum to be clear.

What we're saying (actually he said buy I aggree with him) is that calling yourself a socialist doesn't make you so. And by that exact same standart. What is socialistic about North Korea? I don't know about Cuba so I don't wanna say stuff I don't know.

But why do we think that any of us try to convince you that Capitalism is ok? What we're saying is that's it's better to form or join true marxists groups, more loyal to the way of the man.

Nothing here should be taken personally.

[Alonso Quijano]

Well, in all honesty, it was more of a civil war than a resistance.... Tito didn't lead a Communistic resistance there, he just hid in Russia, got out when it was safe, let Chetniks kill Partisans but prefered Partisans to kill Chetniks, everyone hate the Ustase - I actually wonder what spark to their minds faster - that they were fighting ourselves, and statistically that's why died and the axis didn't - or that they had some thousands Jews just as Germany came in, and I probably don't remember where they are right now, because I'm sure I put them somewhere...

Tito's astrategy (that worked, what do you know) was let the bloodbath commence, and let whoever stands lest to be the pillar of a new nation of hope. Basically it was bound to fought, and it's funny there's no mention to real minorities, 'cause they're the ones who suffer most in these kind of situations (blamed for supporting the other side, no matter what you do).

Would it make me a self-Hating Jew to say Tito acts JUST like our stereotype? I wonder if following a mostly-Jewish-thought ideology makes you more Jewish. Maybe that conspiracy IS indeed right, after all!

(No offence and all, comrade. My nation likes to reinvent some decades as well. Everyone does it)

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

Communists will continue to loose the debate as long as they quote Lenin on Imperialism the same way a Catholic priest quotes Aquinas or St Paul on homosexuality. Stop following some dead Russian like he's a theologian, saint or prophet. IMO Lenin would roll in his big red mausoleum anyways if he saw how people blindly regurgitate his words without context. The EU isn't bad because "Imperialism is bad", the EU is bad because it's a way to increase the power of Capital by breaking down the borders between states. The EU is a type of transnational capitalism (or one might say Imperialism) which Lenin would have been less familiar with anyhow, as his was an era of European military colonialism targeted towards technologically inferior states and not a bunch of Capitalist states freely associating in some kind of post-modern liberal federation to help foster business interests.

One practical fact is that radical revolution would likely lead to tension with major EU states and practical removal from the EU's decision making bodies anyways, but some kind of "national liberation" from the EU is the business of the Le Pens and Wilders of Europe, not its Communists. If most EU states went left, then why struggle to "liberate" oneself from it? Why not use its institutions to entrench multinational socialism, the way (to reference the "St Paul of Communism") Lenin did to the Russian Empire?

[Lokomotive293]

Communists will continue to loose the debate as long as they quote Lenin on Imperialism the same way a Catholic priest quotes Aquinas or St Paul on homosexuality. Stop following some dead Russian like he's a theologian, saint or prophet. IMO Lenin would roll in his big red mausoleum anyways if he saw how people blindly regurgitate his words without context. The EU isn't bad because "Imperialism is bad", the EU is bad because it's a way to increase the power of Capital by breaking down the borders between states. The EU is a type of transnational capitalism (or one might say Imperialism) which Lenin would have been less familiar with anyhow, as his was an era of European military colonialism targeted towards technologically inferior states and not a bunch of Capitalist states freely associating in some kind of post-modern liberal federation to help foster business interests.

One practical fact is that radical revolution would likely lead to tension with major EU states and practical removal from the EU's decision making bodies anyways, but some kind of "national liberation" from the EU is the business of the Le Pens and Wilders of Europe, not its Communists. If most EU states went left, then why struggle to "liberate" oneself from it? Why not use its institutions to entrench multinational socialism, the way (to reference the "St Paul of Communism") Lenin did to the Russian Empire?

The point is that the left needs to stop having this illusion, that the EU can somehow be transformed into some kind of progressive union. It was not created for this purpose, and it has been reactionary to the bone right from the start. Believing you can transform the EU into a progressive union is just like believing you can transform NATO into a force for peace and anti-imperialism.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

The point is that the left needs to stop having this illusion, that the EU can somehow be transformed into some kind of progressive union. It was not created for this purpose, and it has been reactionary to the bone right from the start. Believing you can transform the EU into a progressive union is just like believing you can transform NATO into a force for peace and anti-imperialism.

It's not about "transforming" it into something that's "progressive", its about taking it over and revolutionizing it. The Russian state was founded by an Imperialist aristocracy yet that didn't stop Lenin from taking it over.

[Lokomotive293]

It's not about "transforming" it into something that's "progressive", its about taking it over and revolutionizing it. The Russian state was founded by an Imperialist aristocracy yet that didn't stop Lenin from taking it over.

It's just that that didn't happen. The Bolsheviks didn't take over the old state, they built a new one. Also, the EU is not a state (not even close), it's an Imperialist alliance, it's like a mix of NATO and a free trade agreement. There is nothing to take over and "revolutionize" there.

[DDR]

The PCE has vote in its last congress, celebrated this weekend, to get out of the EU and the €, so will they be someday also part of this initiative? will the PCPE rejoin the PCE since they have no more diferences? Will the ELP also demand the dismantelation of the EU and € or that's just going too far?

[Delenda Carthago]

PRESS STATEMENT: On the meeting of the Secretariat of the European Communist “INITIATIVE”

http://inter.kke.gr/export/sites/inter/.content/images/news/initiative_logo_shmaia.jpg_545135976.jpg_458673983 .jpg On the 27/1/2014 the meeting of the 9 member Secretariat of the “INITIATIVE of Communist and Workers’ Parties to study and elaborate European issues and to coordinate their activity” took place in Brussels.

Representatives from the KKE, the Hungarian Workers’ Party, the Workers’ Party of Ireland, Communist Party (of Italy), the Communist Party of Slovakia, the Communist Party of the Peoples of Spain, the Communist Party of Sweden and the Communist Party of Turkey. The representative of the Socialist Party of Latvia was not able to attend for health reasons.

The work of the meeting was open to all the participant parties of the “INITIATIVE” . The Union of Revolutionary Communists of France and the Communist Party of the Soviet Union also attended the meeting of the Secretariat.

The meeting approved the “DECLARATION OF COMMUNIST AND WORKERS’ PARTIES FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE WORKING CLASS-PEOPLE’S STRUGGLE, FOR THE EU PARLIAMENTARY ELECTIONS”. The Declaration, which is also open to be signed by other communist and workers’ parties of Europe will be issued in the next few days.
During the meeting, issues which concern other joint interventions of the “INITIATIVE”, which will happen in the next period, were also discussed. These interventions will include amongst other things, the condemnation of anti-communism, the capitalist restructurings and the consequences at the expense of the workers, the Common Foreign Security and Defence Policy of the EU, and the imperialist wars, the exposure of the role of the “Europarties”, interventions on unemployment, health, education, farmers etc.

In this direction it was decided to organize joint events of the “INITIATIVE’ in major European cities.

The Secretariat approved a statement against the imperialist intervention of the EU in the Central African Republic, a statement on the developments in the Ukraine and a statement on the new crime against immigrants in Greece, and also against the implementation of the anti-communist law in Georgia.

In addition, solutions were advanced regarding technical-operational issues to do with the website of the “INITIATIVE” and its Technical Secretariat.

Finally, it decided to a announce a poster-placard competition with as its theme : “The struggle of the peoples of Europe against the EU and the inter-state capitalist unions.”

Brussels 27/1/2014

[reb]

The Bolsheviks didn't take over the old state, they built a new one.

Again and again, stalinists present to us a completely idealist and non-marxist understanding of history and especially of the state. You do not just create a state. A state is a thing that arises out of class society, a society that has internally cleaved into classes. If you were smarter you wouldn't be saying this sort of crap because, and I know you might not be able to follow along, it tells us of the anti-communist nature that follows and who was involved with it.

[FSL]

Yes, the soviets arose as the workers organized themselves and their struggle.
In any case, socialism wasn't implemented through the palace nor through the duma and it won't be implemented via the european parliament either.



Why do people treat the european union as a single state? Why not treat the whole WTO as a single state? The differences between the european economies are extremely apparent, not even their economic cycles are synchronized.
It makes no sense to say that a revolution can't happen first in one european country but has to happen in all of the EU simultaneously. Might as well say the whole world then.