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Snard
1st October 2013, 19:31
This is another essay-type writing that I have taken from my WritersCafe profile. I just finished writing it. Here is the link to the source: http://www.writerscafe.org/writing/Snard/1245740/

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Schoolplace Misconceptions
A Chapter by Newspaper Boy
" Fueled by teenage angst and observation. Guaranteed to cause controversy. Enjoy. "

(the nonfiction inspiration for this is at the bottom)

So, on the date of writing this (10/01/13) I have just recently been kicked out of school. This is what is going to fuel my angered ramblings this time.

So I have been kicked out of school by authoritarian teachers. I think I'll address the keywords "authoritarian" and "teacher", as well as their correspondence and lack thereof.

Blah: So I have found that teachers and such related staff have formed an illusion in their minds. This illusion is the illusion of over-importance and control. Yes, they do control your grades and such to a degree. However, when they impose this sense of control over anything else about you, they are stepping quite out of line. Apparently, in a room full of loud teenagers, mellow conversation is a class disruption. Asking questions, trying to understand what exactly the problem is, and proposing new rules/ideas/etc is a horribly disrespectful thing. This is everywhere, and it is exactly what keeps society from moving forward in a widely beneficial way. It seems that more people prefer to focus more on getting offended by things people say, rather than actually paying attention to the words themselves.

Blah 2: At the end of everything, these petty things don't matter. In my school, the television comes on at 9:30 AM as loud as possible(not exaggerating) and you cannot turn it off or turn it down. It is 10-15 minutes of people I see as fools jumping around, playing horrible music, jumping around to the music, and making fun of things such as the German language via stereotyped pronunciation, volume, and even dress. Now I pose this question: If this occurrence is not considered a disruption, then how am I considered one? You could easily unplug the television since it is not used at any other time during the day, yet you ("teachers") choose not to. That is ridiculously lazy, hypocritical, and flatout fucking stupid. Hm. Well, fuck you.

Conclusion of sorts: For years I have really despised teachers and any figure that thinks they are better than they really are. Or are "better" (used as loosely as possible) than they aught to be. They are obviously illusioned so far as to think they have any sort of totalitarian control over you, and it should stop. Well, needs to stop in order for schoolgoers to have sort of a worthwhile experience. But it is well known that anything beyond 7-8 grade is just gravy on your person for the capitalist puppeteers to milk you of. Overall, fuck what school has become, and to be fair, what it was before. Because even though it is still shitty now, it was (from what I have heard/seen/etc) much worse. And is much worse in third-world countries and places that don't have the luxuries that this exploitational, degenerated, dishonest nation has acquired...through the 3rd world countries.

That's all.

| So when I was in school today, at about 10:50pm I was sitting at a table. It was me and my friend that I will call...Seymour. So I was speaking with Seymour about...whatever. Small talk, really. I then stopped talking for about 5 minutes and the table was silent as me and Seymour both did our thing at our computers. (Note that my school is not an actual "school", nor an actual "classroom". It is students sitting at computer doing schoolwork on computers. The so-called "teachers" do little to nothing that doesn't only involve them, their work, and their profit. Helping students academically is seemingly a joke to them.) One teacher who will be called Mrs. Q called me out, stating that I was disrupting the class by talking and that I need to move back to my "assigned seat", because somehow me being silent is disruptive and assigned seats are somehow considered to matter. I tell Mrs. Q that I stopped talking and asked why I needed to move.
She answered: "Because you aren't allowed to sit there and talk to him."
I said: "But I stopped talking."
Q: "You need to move back to your seat."
I: "It doesn't matter where I sit. I already stopped talking, too."
This goes on for another minute or so, then she threatens me with the ever-common "Do you want to go talk about this with Coach Shitpiece?" (Shitpiece is the "administrator" i.e. the head douchebag.)
I: "You always threaten that to divert the subject from yourself. You have nothing else to say so you threaten me with someone else, someone who is further up the hierarchy."
Q: "Alright let's go talk to Shitpiece."

*we proceed to shitpiece*

Q tells SP about what I have done. Said, rather.
I just say "What" in a very annoyed tone, because...well, I'm annoyed and find the whole situation ridiculous.
Shitpiece proceeds to tell me the same exact shit that W told me, just in a more steroid-fueled, masculine voice. It then transitions into him yelling at me to stop talking "unless I want to suspended or recommended for expulsion to do insubordination."
I then ask him questions about what I have done wrong, why it is wrong, and why I think it is not wrong.
He says "It's the tone in your voice!"
I: "It's not the 'tone in my voice', it's just my voice. I'm not going to change my voice for you."
SP: "Well you better learn how to act socially acceptable" (I had to paraphrase here due to lack of exact correct memory)
I: "It's just my voice. I don't see what you're talking about. I'm just trying to ask you questions and apparently that's a bad thing."
SP: "It's the tone in your voice! You need to address your teachers in a better way!"
I: "You guys are just normal people. It doesn't matter if you're teachers or not. You're just a regular person at the end of the day."
SP: (does not say anything)
I: "Okay."
SP: (calls my grandmother, tells her that I am "being disrespectful, and that she needs to come get me because he doesn't want to have to suspend me".
I: "So what, is she coming to get me?"
SP: "Yep"
I talked at him some more. And more. Then go back to Seymour and talked about it with him. Then I went to the other "classroom" and talked about it with the only "teacher" that I enjoy interacting with. She had told me that I just need to comply to get through it, whether I disagree with it or not. But I told her that I will not comply completely. Just passively agreeing with what I disagree with is not how I am, nor will it ever be. But I can pretend. And I suppose I'll have to. |

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I edited it slightly because this site censors the word b i t c h for obvious reasons. I use the word often as a synonym for complaining. I.e complaining about something and *****ing about something. I hope it's clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with sex, sexism, etc. I just cuss a lot due to habit.

Lowtech
4th October 2013, 06:43
as revleft turns into writing critique and or advertising for writerscafe. org...

are you attempting to fit a certain psychology? be it that of either the character you are trying to portray or the intended demographic? personally, it comes across annoying that you attempt to follow a internal language that is meant to emulate stereotyped teenage "language." a narrative one might hear in the contemporary teen movie. it does have it's place, in comedies, but not in fictions meant to be more accurate to real life or at least reflective of actual emotions felt by real people, just encapsulated in a time that people become nostalgic about later in life. perhaps you are secretly writing fan fiction?

if you are trying to flesh out a scenario where you are making a statement about how you believe education to be actually authoritarian, the situation you paint doesn't quite fit either. what would make more sense is something like The Right to Read
by Richard Stallman. however, i completely agree with the message that education is designed to make us better employees instead of better people.

a whole other topic is terms like "teenage angst" being used by older people in defining adolescence, rather than current adolescents defining it themselves or rather a definition created from a age/culturally neutral sociological analysis. in simpler terms, do you as a writer want to write about adolescence as viewed by an adult? viewed by an adolescent or viewed by a marketing perspective? i'm sure it really speaks to the reason that you write at all. are all the great writers great because they could sell a lot of books or was it something else?

Snard
4th October 2013, 19:16
as revleft turns into writing critique and or advertising for writerscafe. org...

are you attempting to fit a certain psychology? be it that of either the character you are trying to portray or the intended demographic? personally, it comes across annoying that you attempt to follow a internal language that is meant to emulate stereotyped teenage "language." a narrative one might hear in the contemporary teen movie. it does have it's place, in comedies, but not in fictions meant to be more accurate to real life or at least reflective of actual emotions felt by real people, just encapsulated in a time that people become nostalgic about later in life. perhaps you are secretly writing fan fiction?

if you are trying to flesh out a scenario where you are making a statement about how you believe education to be actually authoritarian, the situation you paint doesn't quite fit either. what would make more sense is something like The Right to Read
by Richard Stallman. however, i completely agree with the message that education is designed to make us better employees instead of better people.

a whole other topic is terms like "teenage angst" being used by older people in defining adolescence, rather than current adolescents defining it themselves or rather a definition created from a age/culturally neutral sociological analysis. in simpler terms, do you as a writer want to write about adolescence as viewed by an adult? viewed by an adolescent or viewed by a marketing perspective? i'm sure it really speaks to the reason that you write at all. are all the great writers great because they could sell a lot of books or was it something else?


First, it is not advertising for WritersCafe because it's a nonprofit website. I was just stating that I was taking it from my profile there so plagiarism is avoided, even though the chance of that being an issue is minuscule.

I really have no idea what you were trying to say to me specifically there, and had trouble understanding the point you were trying to make. The way I was writing is how I think. The words I use whilst writing. I incorporate elements of "comedy" I suppose but what is wrong with that? This is not "fan fiction" this is something that happened to me a few days ago, word for word.

I am writing because I like it? Your pseudo-interrogation is honestly a bit aggravating since I am doing none of the things you are seemingly trying to imply. I am writing about situations from my viewpoint, not about adolescence in general from any viewpoint other than my own. I just write what I feel/think.

Lowtech
5th October 2013, 09:10
I really have no idea what you were trying to say to me specifically there, and had trouble understanding the point you were trying to make.
only real point I was making was my interpretation and what I thought would make more sense. Perhaps I read too much into it, looking for deeper meaning than you intended?


The way I was writing is how I think. The words I use whilst writing. I incorporate elements of "comedy" I suppose but what is wrong with that? This is not "fan fiction" this is something that happened to me a few days ago, word for word.



I am writing because I like it? Your pseudo-interrogation is honestly a bit aggravating since I am doing none of the things you are seemingly trying to imply.
relax, I was only asking of curiousity.



I am writing about situations from my viewpoint, not about adolescence in general from any viewpoint other than my own. I just write what I feel/think. good. Out of curiosity, why did it matter to you that she asked you to move?

Snard
5th October 2013, 20:21
Out of curiosity, why did it matter to you that she asked you to move?

Because there was no point in it. It was a simple thing, but the point is that there was no point in me moving. I was doing absolutely nothing wrong, so it's unnecessary.

Red_Banner
5th October 2013, 20:34
I had some idiot teacher's assistant make me get off a computer when I was in high school simply because the webpage I was looking at had some profanity in the comments.

She was staring over my shoulder.

The Idler
6th October 2013, 14:03
Mrs. Q?
Better speak to this guy
http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=12488

Q
6th October 2013, 15:03
Mrs. Q?
Better speak to this guy
http://www.revleft.com/vb/member.php?u=12488
I am still available. Where can I hook up with Mrs. Q? ;)

Snard
7th October 2013, 12:41
I am still available. Where can I hook up with Mrs. Q? ;)

Excuse me but what the hell? Why is this here?

Lowtech
7th October 2013, 14:17
Excuse me but what the hell? Why is this here?
I had the same question. How dare he make a joke in your writing critique thread in OI on revleft. I am agahst.

In all seriousness though, writing is a far better endeavor than my meanial job. keep it up.

ÑóẊîöʼn
7th October 2013, 14:34
I don't know whether it's funny or tragic that almost every time someone describes what US schools are like from personal experience, they sound like utterly fucking awful places in one way or another.

The staff either don't give a shit, are obdurate Jobsworths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobsworth), or are psychotic authoritarians. I also hear a lot of crap over so-called "zero tolerance" policies, which seem be more about enforcing arbitrary deference, rather than actually dealing with issues pupils might be having.

It's one of those things that makes me glad I wasn't born in the US.

Thirsty Crow
7th October 2013, 14:40
I've watched a documentary on some effects the recent mass shootings have had on school teachers and kids in the US. Aurora and Connecticut shootings to be more precise.

It's terrifying. There are regular drills for emergency situations, instructing very young kids how to hide and fight against an attacker if necessary. We're talking 7 year olds here.
Another issue is the project of handling firearms on behalf of teachers. They would presumably have a concealed weapon during classes as well. The relationship with the bosses could take an interesting turn due to that, incidentally.

Lowtech
7th October 2013, 21:21
I don't know whether it's funny or tragic that almost every time someone describes what US schools are like from personal experience, they sound like utterly fucking awful places in one way or another.

It can be horrible, yes. Luckily I haddnt been a victim of extreme bullying, but I had a friend who's arm was cut by a bully using the corner of a metal ruler. its interesting here that so many are resistant to change that when an ongoing social problem is finally publically adressed some are in denial of there being a problem at all.

This being the same western society that fabricates a condition (A.D.D.) to sell medication.

CECE
7th October 2013, 21:47
I have to agree with Lowtech is some respects. It sounds like you're playing a character; the typical "rebellious teenager" who doesn't do something simply because they don't like doing what others ask. I am not mocking you, just giving you my outlook on things. I've seen this role portrayed a hundred times, but there doesn't seem to be any ideological backing behind it other than, "I don't think I should therefore, I won't." And that's why I have a problem behind with it. Not moving when a teacher asks you to doesn't achieve anything... for anyone. It's the kind of pointless rebellion that many teenage punks get involved with that wear a red 'A' on their back and give the real anarchists a bad name (Not saying you're one of these people). So what if your teacher is on a power trip? She's a teacher... that's it, no matter how "authoritative" she may appear to be, she's just your teacher. If you stand up for something make sure it has a purpose and ideological backing... otherwise it just comes across as childish. Just my take on things.

Oh and before I'm torn apart... I don't think everyone who wears a red 'A' is a punk. I was just painting a picture of your stereotypical rebellious teenager who thinks being an anarchist means committing small time vandalism and being uncooperative with adults. That is all...

Brandon's Impotent Rage
7th October 2013, 23:38
I don't know whether it's funny or tragic that almost every time someone describes what US schools are like from personal experience, they sound like utterly fucking awful places in one way or another.

The staff either don't give a shit, are obdurate Jobsworths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobsworth), or are psychotic authoritarians. I also hear a lot of crap over so-called "zero tolerance" policies, which seem be more about enforcing arbitrary deference, rather than actually dealing with issues pupils might be having.

It's one of those things that makes me glad I wasn't born in the US.

Now you're gettin' it, sport. ;)

Seriously, though. I graduated in 2005. I went to High School in the post-columbine period.

And yes, it WAS that bad (combined with all the stuff you mentioned). Any person who didn't fit into any kind of 'clique' was treated like a ticking time bomb. Everything from wearing black, to drawing 'violent things' in your notebooks, to wearing the wrong kind of concert tee, do just being a goddamn individual made you a target.

Snard
8th October 2013, 16:46
I have to agree with Lowtech is some respects. It sounds like you're playing a character; the typical "rebellious teenager" who doesn't do something simply because they don't like doing what others ask. I am not mocking you, just giving you my outlook on things. I've seen this role portrayed a hundred times, but there doesn't seem to be any ideological backing behind it other than, "I don't think I should therefore, I won't." And that's why I have a problem behind with it. Not moving when a teacher asks you to doesn't achieve anything... for anyone. It's the kind of pointless rebellion that many teenage punks get involved with that wear a red 'A' on their back and give the real anarchists a bad name (Not saying you're one of these people). So what if your teacher is on a power trip? She's a teacher... that's it, no matter how "authoritative" she may appear to be, she's just your teacher. If you stand up for something make sure it has a purpose and ideological backing... otherwise it just comes across as childish. Just my take on things.

Yes, well moving wouldn't achieve anything either. It was a pointless request, therefore I am against it.

The Garbage Disposal Unit
8th October 2013, 18:10
With rebellion awareness is born. (Camus)

For the record, I like shitheaded teenagers, and I think it's a beautiful thing whenever a McDonalds is stinkbombed, a teacher is told to "fuck off", or some kid sharpies a circle-A on their t-shirt. Obviously, none of these things constitute a strategy for smashing capitalism, but I think they are a perfectly reasonable response to the situation of teenagers: roughly in the same category of workplace theft, sabotage, absenteeism, etc. The trick is coordinating them, organizing them, politicizing them.

BUILD THE PARTY OF TEENAGER.

TheMaroon
23rd October 2013, 16:13
It's school... the teachers are, wether you like it or not, in authority over you. While they don't have the right to do certain things, other things are well within their reach to do, such as shushing you even though you weren't to blame. It's like government, none of us elected to put them in charge of us, but until we are in a position of enough power to change it, the best we can do is keep our head down for the moment. However I do sympathize with you as I used to go to a completely totalitarian school, I mean they might as well have had a thought police, they had a friggin banned book list for pete's sake.

Reticential
24th October 2013, 12:54
Have to admit I didn't find this piece as insightful as your one on sex. School is pretty shit, sure. I would have been more sympathetic had it been to do with your appearance as a basis for school being authoritarian. Things like dyed hair that have no real impact on the ability to learn information by rote and regurgitate it.

You have to see it from the teacher's point of view also, I've been in schools as a student and a TA and kids are shown from at least 5 years old how a classroom works. They've been shaped into such a role of obedience or defiance. Teacher's have to conform in the same way to get through the lesson. Not to say I am in favour of the way schools are set up by any account, but you can't look at the teacher divorced from all other social relationships/norms. Plus a lot of teacher's are pretty radical and have had, like many people, to find out how far they'll compromise their politics to fit into the current system.




I edited it slightly because this site censors the word b i t c h for obvious reasons. I use the word often as a synonym for complaining. I.e complaining about something and *****ing about something. I hope it's clear that it has absolutely nothing to do with sex, sexism, etc. I just cuss a lot due to habit.

I don't want to nitpick, but it does have something to do with sexism. It's just reproducing the same word in verb form. You are aware that it's a gendered slur, so perhaps a little more caution to do with your choice of cuss...