Fo' Real? Greek coup d'état threatened by reactionary bunch

[Tim Cornelis]

Greek government, state and authorities are set on alert after a union of a union of Greek army reservists of Special Forces (KEED) issued a statement urging the Greek administration to step down and make way for a national unity government. The statement, posted on the union’s website on Wednesday, triggered an emergency meeting at the Supreme Court on Wednesday evening and a prosecutor’s investigation on Thursday morning - See more at: http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2013/09/26/with-15-demands-greek-army-reservists-want-immediate-resignation-of-government/#sthash.kDZxXPu0.dpuf

http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2013/09/26/with-15-demands-greek-army-reservists-want-immediate-resignation-of-government/

I don't think this is very serious, though some apparently allege relations with Golden Dawn which it denies.

[Kingfish]

You are correct this seems like its being blown out of proportion just for the sake of a nice headline.

Also from the list of demands:

- immediate confiscation of German retails/businesses/companies, full compensation for WWII war reparations and occupation loan.

-suspension of the austerity loan agreement

Im sure the EU would be especially amicable to these demands :rolleyes:

[The Feral Underclass]

A military coup is not outside the realm of possibilities.

[Futility Personified]

Not to sound all internet hardman-y, but if it did come to a civil war would Spain style brigades be legal in this day and age?

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

Not to sound all internet hardman-y, but if it did come to a civil war would Spain style brigades be legal in this day and age?

I imagine that in a civil war context it'd be pretty easy to get past the greek border, expectually considering that most of its bordering states only recently got out of their own civil wars.

[Sasha]

Not to sound all internet hardman-y, but if it did come to a civil war would Spain style brigades be legal in this day and age?


it wont (just as it wasnt back then) legal according the most national laws to join a foreign army. My great uncle became stateless for decades after fighting in spain. thats now not allowed anymore according to dutch law (taking away dutch citizenship if you dont have an second nationality you can fall back on) but its still illegal to join an foreign army (except the turkish if your part turkish and conscripted or the israeli army for some reason, we have some agreements with those countries)

[Tim Cornelis]

it wont (just as it wasnt back then) legal according the most national laws to join a foreign army. My great uncle became stateless for decades after fighting in spain. thats now not allowed anymore according to dutch law (taking away dutch citizenship if you dont have an second nationality you can fall back on) but its still illegal to join an foreign army (except the turkish if your part turkish and conscripted or the israeli army for some reason, we have some agreements with those countries)

Don't you mean, instead of agreement, that it's not allowed to join a hostile army, and since no hostilities, let alone war, exists between the Netherlands and other countries, it's legal to join every standing army in the world.

[Delenda Carthago]

Coups dont happen through blogspots.

[Sasha]

Don't you mean, instead of agreement, that it's not allowed to join a hostile army, and since no hostilities, let alone war, exists between the Netherlands and other countries, it's legal to join every standing army in the world.


nope, its illegal to join an foreign army period (in vreemde krijgsdienst treden), it used to mean that you loose your dutch citizenship but after the signing of the UN treaty on prevention of statelessness thats only allowed for people who have dual citizenship. in the netherlands exceptions are only made, after we signed treaties with those countries, for the IDF, the turkish army and i believe the french foreign legion.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

The same rules apply to US citizens with the exception that I think they can still revoke your citizenship. But they didn't do that to John Walker Lindh so I dunno.

edit: seems like the Greeks would be able to muster enough anti-fascist troops on their own anyway

[piet11111]

A military coup is not outside the realm of possibilities.

True it seems the fall-back position of greek capitalism.

The only reason they haven't yet is because so far they are not threatened by anything on the "left"

[Sasha]

said for a while though, that looking at how easy the european politcians have done away with their "sacred" democracy already in greece and the other southern european countries when it came to safeguarding the economic status-quo and capitalism it wouldnt surprise me if we could at an certain point get an "agreed on" coup d'etat in greece where the greek military get freedom to "take care of business" and they only get suspended for a while from the EU, probably not even from NATO...

[ckaihatsu]

You are correct this seems like its being blown out of proportion just for the sake of a nice headline.

Also from the list of demands:

- immediate confiscation of German retails/businesses/companies, full compensation for WWII war reparations and occupation loan.

-suspension of the austerity loan agreement

Im sure the EU would be especially amicable to these demands :rolleyes:


*All* of this -- including the rise of 'Euroskepticism' in Germany and France -- is to be expected, since we're seeing the *physical contradictions* of trying to hold the continent together on the basis of an unravelling currency. (!)


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said for a while though, that looking at how easy the european politcians have done away with their "sacred" democracy already in greece and the other southern european countries when it came to safeguarding the economic status-quo and capitalism it wouldnt surprise me if we could at an certain point get an "agreed on" coup d'etat in greece where the greek military get freedom to "take care of business" and they only get suspended for a while from the EU, probably not even from NATO...


Greece -- and Cyprus, Spain, etc. -- have been politically *singled out* as the chosen 'problem countries' since, according to the fundamentals, the *First World* countries really should be the ones given a browbeating....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt-to-GDP_ratio


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A military coup is not outside the realm of possibilities.





True it seems the fall-back position of greek capitalism.

The only reason they haven't yet is because so far they are not threatened by anything on the "left"


The form of democracy itself is *incompatible* with ongoing, festering economic crises -- Egypt has already had a "self-preservative" coup (my wording), in the face of renewed upsurges that threaten elitist rule.





[T]he military [in Egypt] has the luxury of staying above-it-all, summarily hitting the 'reset button' whenever it likes, issuing new elections.

[Ravachol]

Not to sound all internet hardman-y, but if it did come to a civil war would Spain style brigades be legal in this day and age?

And who's gonna go? A bunch of internetposters who spend their time discussing the nature of the post-Brezhnev USSR, holding the same marches over and over again and handing out another bunch of leaflets? A bunch of union hacks in their 60s who hold on to 'one last recruitment drive'? Didn't think so..

[Futility Personified]

To sound somewhat distasteful, there are always going to be ideologically motivated young men and women prepared to give their lives somewhere. Not in the same numbers as before, but there are always some.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

And who's gonna go? A bunch of internetposters who spend their time discussing the nature of the post-Brezhnev USSR, holding the same marches over and over again and handing out another bunch of leaflets? A bunch of union hacks in their 60s who hold on to 'one last recruitment drive'? Didn't think so..

As much as you try to cut down all the internet hardmen you find on here, by doing so you really come off as one yourself.

I honestly don't see how every post on speculation with regards to real life has to be met with this angsty posturing all the time. Posts like yours also commonly come from the lifestyle anarchists on here, who complain about lefty internet nerds while ironically spending like 80% of their day on revleft.

[Ravachol]

As much as you try to cut down all the internet hardmen you find on here, by doing so you really come off as one yourself.

I honestly don't see how every post on speculation with regards to real life has to be met with this angsty posturing all the time. Posts like yours also commonly come from the lifestyle anarchists on here, who complain about lefty internet nerds while ironically spending like 80% of their day on revleft.

I'm not trying to 'cut down on he internet hardmen', I'm making the sober observation that 'the left', whether online or offline, simply has little to no weight to throw around in any imaginary 'international brigades' scenario, so that should either be a) something people keep in mind and stop making those ridiculous threads all the time or b) be a wake-up call. It is my understanding that one speculates on scenarios of value, which could, under circumstances, be realistic, otherwise its just roleplaying. The continously brought up 'if Greece goes further downhill international brigades blablabla' is roleplaying, period.

[bcbm]

the lifestyle anarchists on here

we have lifestyle anarchists on here?