Question for commies

[Indysocialist]

I decided to post this in Opposing Ideologies since I can get a better array of answers here. I have to debate whether or not Communism posed a real threat to the internal security of the US (IE: Was there a conspiracy). I'm arguing that that there wasn't and in fact we should be more concerned with other groups (people that bomb abortion clinics, White supremecist militants etc). So I need to ask 3 questions for ANY AND ALL COMMUNISTS (like I said, I posted here for the best variety so Stalinists are more then welcome to join in on this). In other words, I'm trying to get a few statistics for the class outside of the textbook. Here they are, and sorry for the poor spelling tonight, I'm pretty tired at the moment:

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:54 AM

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.
1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes. These 'crimes' are a Nazi lie.

4. Ermm. Check your history book!

5. Yes

[el_profe]

His crimes are a nazi lie? hahahaha, how about the one he made after the nazis where overthrown? so Stalin and the Soviet union never murdered milions? those records released after the fall of the USSR where lying?
WHy do you idolize this murderer?

[Monty Cantsin]

McCarthyism and the Cold War

At the end of World War 2, the United States and the Soviet Union
were left as the two main powers in the world. The 1947 Truman Doctrine stated
that it was the responsibility of the United States to "support free peoples who are
resisting attempted subjugation by armed minorities or by outside pressures"
(TrumanLibrary.org). Believing that if Communism began to spread, other
countries would also fall to Communism (a theory known as the ’Domino Effect’),
U. S. politics became dominated by anti-Communist feelings.

In 1947, the House of Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC)
focused it’s anti-Communist agenda on the entertainment industry. HUAC called
many people from the Hollywood community to testify regarding an alleged
Communist influence in the entertainment industry. A group of ten "unfriendly
witnesses" used their Firth Amendment rights and refused to testify. They were
found guilty of contempt of court and they each received sentences of between six
and twelve months in prison.

On February 9th, 1950, Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin made
a speech in which he claimed to have a list of known members of the American
Communist Party who were part of the federal government. One of the famous
trials of those who worked for the government was the case of Ethel and Julius
Rosenberg. Based mainly on the testimony of Ethel’s younger brother, David
Greenglass, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were convicted of espionage and
executed in 1953.

One of the laws used by the HUAC in their fight against Communism
was the Smith Act passed in 1940. Under the Smith Act, it was illegal to advocate
the violent overthrow of the government. It was even illegal to "conspire to
advocate the violent overthrow of the government, to organize a group that
advocated the violent overthrow of the government, or to be a member of a group
that advocated the violent overthrow of the government" (Pember, P.49). In
1948, some of the top leaders of the American Communist Party were charged
and convicted under the Smith Act. Claims that the Smith Act was
unconstitutional were rejected by the Supreme Court of the United States. The
Smith Act was later declared unconstitutional in 1957 and the convictions were
overturned.



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[Comrade Zeke]

1.Yes i would join it if it were a good revolution dedicated to Democratic Communism.
2.No because the United States would never be overthrown by Communist its too Capitalitic.
3.Screw Stalin he was a murdering evil man who took away the rights of Russians.
4.No because it was just as Corrupt as the United States
5.Communist state mabey probely like Vermont or New Hampshire.

Hope you enjoy my help Im a strong Titosit and I think the Soveit Union was evil and Corrupeted the only Communist countries I have ever supported have been Cuba,Veitnam,Angola,Chile,and Yugoslavia. Becuase they wanted freedom for the USSR and have their own Utopias

I tip my hat to you,Comrade Zeke

[Monty Cantsin]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it? only if there were no other way to achive the revolution.

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists? yes no question.

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of? no, i blame him for starting the of fall of the soviet uninon. he gave communist a bad name with help from the US.

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?what soviet union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible? i would be alot better then what is running the show now what ever you want to call it. i'd even go as for to call the US Totalitarianist. americans would not normaly say that because the governments doing a good job of brian washing.

[redstar2000]

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. No

4. No

5. Yes

When you put the totals together, be sure and let us know how they turned out.

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[RedAnarchist]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it? Maybe, but i wouldnt kill anyone who was a child, unarmed, couldnt fight back or was too old to defend themselves

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?Of course. The sooner the better!

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of? No. He opressed the peoples of the former Soviet Union and - by proxy - Eastern Europe

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union? As the USSR ended when i was little, i cant and i wouldnt anyway

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible? If there is enough support from the people

[monkeydust]

1. Yes, if it would help the eventual cause, this one might also depend on the circumstances involved at the time, but yes generally.

2.Definately yes.

3.I'm not an admirer of Stalin, yes his atrocities may have been exaggerated but they were still vast in my opinion. Anyway, No.

4.No

5.Yes, but not right now.

[Bolshevika]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

Definetly.

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

Yes, I guess I would.

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

I support glorious comrade Stalin and will defend him till my grave. Why should we believe lies the upper class call "history"?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

USSR under Stalin, yes. Revisionist USSR, not sure.

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

Not at the moment.

[sickofyou]

:wacko:
1. I suppose. yes
2. why not. maybe
3. who is he. no
4. aye. yes
5. its feasible. Not
;( just so un-palatable. sick

[John Galt]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?
No.

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?
No.

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?
No. No.

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?
No.

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?
Communism anywhere is not feasible

[moncadista]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?
if the elites were the ones fighting against us. i would refuse to kill a working class man or womyn tricked into defending the elites. also if the elites surrendered, and were willing to have their capital seized and redistrobuted, then i would spare them.

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?
why wouldn't i? i would advocate the overthrow of any capitalist nation by a popular revolution in favor of communism.
3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?
im sort of split on this. i don't agree with the stalinist system of totalitarian socialism, but i also believe that many of the crimes he commited were eggzagerated(spelling?) by western media. he also rapidly industriized the USSR to the point that they were acually a threat to the U$ administration. he was not my idea of a benevolent ruler, is what im saying
4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?
i was two when the USSR colapsed, but i would have, yes. a more revelant question is maybe, would you live in cuba? and yes i would. unfortunatly im a white boy from canada, and the whie devil isn't the rest of the worlds first pick as comrade.

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?
i think global communism is possible, but first we must free the masses from the grip oif the cappies, who have convinced many people that their intrests are congruent.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

Yes


2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

Yes


3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

No


4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

Yes


5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

Yes

[Jesus Christ]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?
I'm very pacifistic so it would take alot to get me to kill someone.


2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?
Of course, if they were true, and not authoritarian.


3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?
No, he was a filthy murderer, even if the death tallys were exxagerated.


4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?
No I wouldn't.


5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?
Yes, but not as of now.

[46and2]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?
Only if all other means had failed. Che himself said in Guerilla Warfare: "Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fradulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."


2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?
Again, only if all other means had failed.


3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?
I do not know enough about Stalin to form an opinion one way or another. I need to learn more.


4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?
What Soviet Union?


5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?
No. We (as a whole) are too individualistic and capitalistic.

[Indysocialist]

You guys have already provided excellent quotes, I thank all of you. The debate will be Tuesday and I intend to use some of the quotes here and definately the figures. So thanks, and keep it coming. :)

[Purple]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 08:54 AM
1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.
1. Depends on the situation, I would do anything to not kill a person, and I really wouldn't ever be able to kill a person... Suppose I'm just a coward...

2. Yes

3. Not really, I do not support some of his crimes, but I think that he did many great things...

4. No...

5. Maybe, depends on how the world will change after some time...

[The Feral Underclass]

Indysocialist


1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

If it was necessary yes.


2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

Communists advocate the over throwing of any government.


3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

No. Stalin may have called himself a communist but he wasnt, by any stretch of the imagination. Most stalinists do not defend his crimes they deny them all together which I think is as delusional as denying the holocaust.


4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

No. But if I did I would activly oppose it.


5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

First of all communist state is an oxymoron.Secondly I believe communism can be achieved anywhere in the world. If there is an exploited working class then there communism is feasible.

[dannie]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

1 yes, if it is neccesary ...

2. yes

3. no, i do not admire him altough he has done some good deeds ...

4. no

5. yes, but we will have to have enough patience , not any time soon tho

[ElRuso1967]

1. Yes, definitely.

2. Yes, I would fully support a Communist takeover of the US.

3. Hell no! Stalin (in my opinion) was an enemy of the Soviet Union and an enemy of the People. I also think that if Leon Trotsky had taken power in the Soviet Union instead of Stalin, then the Soviet Union would still exist today. Stalin set the Soviet union on a slippery slope to destruction.

4. First of all, the Soviet Union ceased to exist as of the late eighties/early nineties, and no i wouldn't have wanted to live in the Soviet Union. The only communist countries i would live in would be Cuba and possibly Vietnam.

5. It is possible, but the Social and Economic factors would prevent it from occuring at this moment in time.

I hope that i have been of help, tell us how well the debate goes!

[JonP]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:54 AM
1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.
1. Yes

2. Yes

3. No i am not an admirer of Stalin

4.No, I'd prefer to live where i am now, and if your using this question as an argument of "would you prefer to live in a communist country" , it isnt even communist anymore

5. Yes it is feasiable, just as it is feasible anywhere in the world.

[Intifada]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

reluctantly, but yes.


2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

hell yeah!


3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

not really, no.


4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

no.


5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

yes.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 15 2004, 06:26 PM

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

No. Stalin may have called himself a communist but he wasnt, by any stretch of the imagination. Most stalinists do not defend his crimes they deny them all together which I think is as delusional as denying the holocaust.


yes, its just as bad as denying the holocaust. fortunatley (i hope) Bolshevika will grow out of the 15 yr old "i hate everyone so I support a mass murderer and communism to prove what a rebelious kid i am" stage.

[Indysocialist]

I'm afraid I phrased one of my questions poorly. The one asking "If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union". What I mean is, if it were still around or if you were alive during the 40's, 50's, 60's etc would you willingly move there?

[Bolshevika]

fortunatley (i hope) Bolshevika will grow out of the 15 yr old "i hate everyone so I support a mass murderer and communism to prove what a rebelious kid i am" stage.

Hopefully you will get out of the "I'm a dumbass conservative anti-working class jerk" stage by jumping off a tall building.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 05:28 PM

fortunatley (i hope) Bolshevika will grow out of the 15 yr old "i hate everyone so I support a mass murderer and communism to prove what a rebelious kid i am" stage.

Hopefully you will get out of the "I'm a dumbass conservative anti-working class jerk" stage by jumping off a tall building.
oh shit, you got dissed lol

[Hawker]

1. Only if it was necessary

2. Yes

3. No

4.No it wa a tolitarian regime I would hardly call it a United Socialist Republic

5. yes

[BuyOurEverything]

1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.

1. Absolutely
2. Absolutely
3. Admirer, no, but I respect the great things he did for Russia. I believe most of his crimes are fabrications, but I don't claim to be omnicient.
4. Not sure, I don't really know what life was like there.
5. Yes, but it may be a while.

[Bradyman]

1) yes, if it was the only way
2) yes
3) no, he was not a communist and had an oppressive regime. But I do believe that he wasn't as bad as people make him out to be.
4) no
5) yes

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 07:54 AM
1. If there were a revolution happening, would you be willing to kill for it?

2. Would you advocate the overthrow of the United States government by Communists?

3. Are you an admirer of Josef Stalin? If so do you deny or defend the crimes he is accused of?

4. If given the chance would you willingly live in the Soviet Union?

5. Do you believe a Communist/Socialist state in the US is feasible?

I appreciate any help with this.
1. As a general ethics question, I would theoretically be willing to fight for communism. I cannot make a claim either way because I have never been put in that sort of situation.

I would be willing to risk my life, I am much more sure of that.

2. Yes.

3. This is a tricky question for me. My ideas about Stalin differ from most other people's, as far as I know. My direct response to this question would be that I support Lenin and Stalin over the Czar, just as I support Castro over Batista and Ho Chi Minh over French colonialism. I do not support Trotsky over Stalin and do not believe that their leadership would have been particularly different. I also do not believe that Stalin was guilty of nearly as many atrocities as he has been accused of.

I see Stalin as a direct and logical extension of Lenin's ideas, which I do not support, but I do believe that the Soviet proletariat suffered less under Stalin than they would have under Trotsky or the Czar.

4. I would rather live in the Soviet Union than in Capitalist or Czarist Russia. I would say that, even for the poor, conditions in America are better than they have ever been in the Soviet Union; I do not hold this against the Soviet Union, but it does influence my choice of countries in which to live.

5. I believe it is more than feasible, it is inevitable.

[bombeverything]

1. No, but then I wouldn't condemn it either.

2. Yes.

3. Most certainly not.

4. No.

5. Yes.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

1.Yes
2.Yes
3.Absolutly.I deny most,and some are not 'crimes'.Stalin made mistakes though-human mistakes.
4.Yes,but I would prefer to live in some other socialist country
5.Possibly.It would be brutal.A lot of CEO's would wined(sp?i just blanked out) up dead.