the hague; Blood and Honour members at PVV Protest

[Sasha]

Blood and Honour members at PVV Protest
The PVV demonstrated today with about 1500 supporters on the Koekamp in Den Haag. A large part of the people in attendance were extreme right individuals and organizations, and there were even neo-nazi's present. This was clearly visible on banners with texts such as, "Own People First" and the use of the Hitler salute.
Jeroen van den Berg from Blood and Honour department Ulfhednar was present with a number of friends. On October 18th 2011, a raid was carried out against this neo-nazi group whereby numerous firearms were discovered (*1).
Paul Peters (*2) from the extreme right Identitair Verzet (Identity Resistance) was also in attendance. Paul Peters is infamous for the fact that he desecrated a Jewish cemetery on the night of April 29th, 2001 with several other right wing extremists. They smashed gravestones and painted swastikas and nazi slogans such as Jude Raus and We are back on many other stones.
Furthermore, members of the neo-nazi party NVU (Dutch People's Union) and NVB (National People's Movement) were present, in addition to fascist action group Voorpost, Black Front and neo-nazi's from the violent Blood and Honour Netherlands.
After the PVV protest, a large group of PVV supporters went in the direction of het Plein to try and provoke the leftist demonstration that was taking place there. After a small confrontation involving Paul Peters and Jeroen van den Berg, the police came between both groups and the PVV supporters were sent away.
This was the PVV's first demonstration and it had a clear extreme right character. Today it was clearly visible what kind of people form the base of PVV supporters. Every extreme right group was represented at the demonstration. Besides extreme right slogans and banners, Prince's Flags were also carried. These are not unknown to the PVV, considering that they used to hang in its offices. This flag was used in the 1930's by the NSB, the Dutch Nazi Party. A large group of PVV supporters were looking for a confrontation with political opponents, because PVV supporters felt stronger as a result of this protest and the degree to which their extreme right viewpoints are tolerated. This is a sign of a dangerous tendency; we can only hope that this doesn't open the door to daily racist violence on the streets.
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pictures Kafka: http://kafka.antenna.nl/
(*1) http://afa.home.xs4all.nl/alert/4_15/ulfhednar.html
(*2) http://kafka.antenna.nl/?p=4454
(*3) http://nos.nl/artikel/239590-prinsenvlag-bij-pvvraam-verwijderd.html


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[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

It seems that fascism has a greater presense in the Netherlands than I originally thought. I admit that since I live in a context that lacks fascism as a open political movement I didn't see the need for an anti-fascist pole, but after seeing this and the events in Greece I am glad we have anti-fascists like yourself around here to carry on the tradition of bashing.

[Sasha]

It's an worrying but also potentially useful development, until now the PVV existed in this strict parlaimentary and media bubble where they at least managed (having learned a lot from previous extreme right parties) to keep the untouchables, the neo Nazis, the nutcases etc etc, outside of the party. its a party without members, without congresses, without internal elections etc etc. combined with their massive support this all but destroyed fascism as an street presence, why go on the street with a bunch of goose stepping nazi's if you can sit at home, vote and write angry comments on the webs.
As such our classic anti-fascist tactics; street confrontations, outing/naming and shaming and framing really didn't work and it was really hard for us to get a handle on the party and puncture the myth that this was a new kind of "non racist" "Jew, feminist & gay friendly" party.
Now, after their very first official street action ever they showed their true colors when it comes to the potential rank and file, if we play this right wilders will be forced to make a choice, continue streetactions which will hopefully give him more and more bad press and us a playing field we feel comfortable and experienced in, or retreat back from the streets which will be seen as hiding from his own voters.
esp now that he is planning to work together with way more tainted front national and the flemmish blok this could be the push the cowardly establishment needs to come out and say the truth, wilders is a fascist, his party is fascist, his program is fascist and the people who want to go onto the streets for him are fascists. decent people (who are sure to be among his voters now that he polls as the biggest party in the netherlands) should think twice before giving him their support, even when its in protest.

[Comrade #138672]

It's even worse now. Look at their jackets. These people are MPs for God's sake!

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They are openly supporting the ("classical") far-right now. This clearly indicates their support for the neonazis at the demonstration.

[Tim Cornelis]

It seems that fascism has a greater presense in the Netherlands than I originally thought. I admit that since I live in a context that lacks fascism as a open political movement I didn't see the need for an anti-fascist pole, but after seeing this and the events in Greece I am glad we have anti-fascists like yourself around here to carry on the tradition of bashing.

It's not that bad, actually. There were maybe two dozen far-rightists (fascists, ultra-nationalists, neo-nazis) of various far-right movements there. They have no street presence and the membership of the largest neo-nazi organisation, NVU, has been dwindling so much that now their demonstrations attract some 20 people (compared to 100 a few years ago).
Them showing up at a fiercely pro-Zionist party's demonstration shows how desperate they are for mass appeal.

[Sasha]

It's even worse now. Look at their jackets. These people are MPs for God's sake!

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They are openly supporting the ("classical") far-right now. This clearly indicates their support for the neonazis at the demonstration.

Nah, its a double down, a very stupid attempt at damage control by trying to "reclaim" the flag (for non dutch, the pins are from the former dutch royalist flag (orange-white-blue) that got tainted because it was last used by the collaborist NSB during the occupation.
I don't think even most PVV politicians are conciously fascists. But Martin Bosma (the party "brains") is, they just do what he tells them.

[Tim Cornelis]

Martin Bosma ... is [a fascist]

Why?

[Sasha]

had an discussion with him once (was on my work so i couldn't discuss with him as i would normally would ;)), reasonably smart guy, really tight contacts in southafrica and the belgian voorpost umfeld etc. he is the guy we should be watching, the rest is just bench filling/useful idiots

[Comrade #138672]

had an discussion with him once (was on my work so i couldn't discuss with him as i would normally would ;)), reasonably smart guy, really tight contacts in southafrica and the belgian voorpost umfeld etc. he is the guy we should be watching, the rest is just bench filling/useful idiotsHe told you this?

[Sasha]

Between the lines, I was in my work uniform so he had no clue who he was talking with, though I think it slowely dawned on him. But his interest in south africa etc is public knowledge, he is a hotshot in the taalunie, the pairlametary organisation that safe guards the language treaties with flemmish and afrikaner speaking communities.

[Comrade #138672]

Between the lines, I was in my work uniform so he had no clue who he was talking with, though I think it slowely dawned on him. But his interest in south africa etc is public knowledge, he is a hotshot in the taalunie, the pairlametary organisation that safe guards the language treaties with flemmish and afrikaner speaking communities.And what about Voorpost?

[Sasha]

Just have look at his publications, the subjects, the language, ts pretty obvious where he steals his materials from. Also, you cant throw an afrikaner without hitting a voorposter. He is clearly in contact with the vlaams belang "intelligensia" which is filled to the brim with (ex-) voorposters. The move towards the VB and FN is telling for his influence on wilders, the rest of his MPs are more resentment populists that would feel more at home with UKIP etc, except of course what's his name, the old justice department guy, he was in the dutch gladio group in the 70s.

[Sasha]

Raymond de Roon I meant: http://kafka.antenna.nl/?p=208

[Mandarin]

I find it both fascinating and harrowing to see how fascists and their unsavoury compatriots seem to crawl out of the woodwork here.

Didn't Wilders, or one of his lackeys, logon to a far-rightist forum to gain their votes?