What will tear us apart after the Revolution

[Hawker]

The main thing that will tear us apart after the revolution in the US,is our specific political ideas.As we all know Marxism has many branches and all those seperate branches will divide us making us our young country vunerable to the attacks of the US,because it is highly impossible that we'll take the whole US,our only option is a political victory during the war.

Leninst,Stalinists,Maoists,Trots,etc. They'll all have a different opinion on how to run the country,whether it is a tolitarian rule or demarchy they'll all argue that eventually a group will split and another revolution will tear our young nation apart. If it isn't a ideas than it's rivalry, just like the Soviet Union,it was rivalry that split the entire government. I've seen it happen again and again to certain Communist countries.

What will our solution be to solve this crisis,surely we're to civilize to go around and kill each other just because we follow different forms,there has to be a more civilized way.

[18tir]

If there is to be a revolution in the United States, when do you think this revolution will happen? I do not think a revolution is likely in the near future. The great majority of the American people seem to think this government is legitimate and democratic, even though they may hate the corrupt politicians. It is precisely because revolutions are bloody and chaotic that reform should should be attempted first. Forget the Democrats and Republicans. I say we should all support Ralph Nader and try to convince people to vote for him. Of course, he won't win. But if he wins at least 10%, it will be a good start. In the next election, our goal would be 25-30% and in the one after, we should be focusing on winning. If Nader retires or dies, we can support another Green candidate. Before considering revolution, we should attempt peaceful reform. Since the US political system is mostly democratic, I don't think this is impossible. We obviously can't rely on simply voting every 4 years. There has to be a constant leftist campaign to convince the electorate that their interests lay in supporting the Left. This could take the form of demonstrations, petitioning, posters, raising money for advertising, flyers ect. We should work for campaign finance reform, universal health care, higher minimum wage and so on.

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:45 AM
If there is to be a revolution in the United States, when do you think this revolution will happen? I do not think a revolution is likely in the near future. The great majority of the American people seem to think this government is legitimate and democratic, even though they may hate the corrupt politicians. It is precisely because revolutions are bloody and chaotic that reform should should be attempted first. Forget the Democrats and Republicans. I say we should all support Ralph Nader and try to convince people to vote for him. Of course, he won't win. But if he wins at least 10%, it will be a good start. In the next election, our goal would be 25-30% and in the one after, we should be focusing on winning. If Nader retires or dies, we can support another Green candidate. Before considering revolution, we should attempt peaceful reform. Since the US political system is mostly democratic, I don't think this is impossible. We obviously can't rely on simply voting every 4 years. There has to be a constant leftist campaign to convince the electorate that their interests lay in supporting the Left. This could take the form of demonstrations, petitioning, posters, raising money for advertising, flyers ect. We should work for campaign finance reform, universal health care, higher minimum wage and so on.
That can never happen because the system won't let it happen,you see most socialist parties once elected always abandon their socialist beliefs,I've seen it happen many times, but peaceful means must always be tried before any violence, someone once said to me "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent"

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 03:45 AM
If there is to be a revolution in the United States, when do you think this revolution will happen? I do not think a revolution is likely in the near future. The great majority of the American people seem to think this government is legitimate and democratic, even though they may hate the corrupt politicians. It is precisely because revolutions are bloody and chaotic that reform should should be attempted first. Forget the Democrats and Republicans. I say we should all support Ralph Nader and try to convince people to vote for him. Of course, he won't win. But if he wins at least 10%, it will be a good start. In the next election, our goal would be 25-30% and in the one after, we should be focusing on winning. If Nader retires or dies, we can support another Green candidate. Before considering revolution, we should attempt peaceful reform. Since the US political system is mostly democratic, I don't think this is impossible. We obviously can't rely on simply voting every 4 years. There has to be a constant leftist campaign to convince the electorate that their interests lay in supporting the Left. This could take the form of demonstrations, petitioning, posters, raising money for advertising, flyers ect. We should work for campaign finance reform, universal health care, higher minimum wage and so on.
I think this is a good idea but revolution is the only solution because as long as we are fighting capitalism, we will still be dying in the streets. We must raise the movement and educate the people that join, this will stop division and confusion about the purpose of the movement. We have to destroy capitalism and the state that perpetuates it in order to grow from there. We need a functioning community after the revolution and determination to make it international. We mostly, must fight to keep it a movement of the people.