I'm really confused, can yall help me out plzz?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Ok, so in my politics class, i said that Castro has done horrible things in Cuba, like killing ppl in opposition to him in some instances...(i read that somewhere while engaging on interest about him a while back)

anyway, I said that had Cuba been led by Che Guevara, it would be much more better today, in terms of equality, etc...less differentiation btwn gov't and ppl...cuz i read this piece Guevara did on Socialism, and he really promoted equality, probably moreso than Castro.

This apparently made ppl mad and said he killed ppl and so forth, and shouldnt be viewed so highly...i guess they didnt take liking to my Che Guevara shirt that i was wearing that day either! lol...

Why do ppl have such a hatred for him? Like, ok, i'll give them that he killed a bunch of ppl, but i mean, u hafta look at why he did that. Time Magazine reveres the US Soldier as the persons of the year, and they kill INNOCENT and CIVILIAN ppl!! I dont get that man...

[dannie]

that just cuz they are being brainwashed by there parents, teachers, friends, that communism and communists are evil, patriots are the best, and so forth and so on

[Felicia]

Yes, Fidel killed people who were in opposition to the revolution, but Che Guevara killed also.

[Al Creed]

SOmetimes, when there is no other alternative, the only way to handle those who intend on undoing everything you have done, is to silence them for good.

Sure, Che Guevara killed. He WAS a Revolutionary, after all.

[DeadMan]

People these days, they them that there little heroes like Bush and what not are killing, only they are using people like them as pawns to kill. Che was real man with the balls to do what he beleived in, even killing, which is one of the hardest things to do in my own opinion. My parents always told me to beleive in sharing and equality, but that's basically cause I grew up in the low class of society, in a small town, in Canada. A very socialist-democratic country.

DeadMan.

[nezvanova]

Next time they give you shit, just remind them that their precious, patriotic, God loving President Bush has and is still killing to be in power.

[Hate Is Art]

I have never really encountered that much anti-che feeling, my history doesn't like him because of how he wanted Russia to launch it's nukes at the US.

Honestly though I have no problem with him killing people in the revolutionary trials, they were batistites and war criminals, they were all found guilty. Che wasn't a blood thirsty murderer.

[Vladimir]

Che Guevara was a Marxist-Leninist, he was not Jesus, he didn't wear a halo nor did he have wings like a fairy. If Che had led Cuba instead of Castro(he wanted to leave anyway which he did) it would be exactly the same. Perhaps, socialist Cuba might not be in existence today if Che had led it. The U.S did not like him, him and Raul Castro were far more strict Marxist-Leninists than Fidel at the time.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by V.I. [email protected] 15 2004, 06:58 PM
Che Guevara was a Marxist-Leninist, he was not Jesus, he didn't wear a halo nor did he have wings like a fairy.
HER HER people need to stop thinking that a revolution is a realy nice easy thing thats all happy and pretty, for a effictive communist revolution there will need to be bloodshed.

[RED FIRE]

my history doesn't like him because of how he wanted Russia to launch it's nukes at the US.

I sincerely ''wish'', that he was in ''charge'' of the weapons, thus lanuched them...although this would of most certainly of started world war III.


for a effictive communist revolution there will need to be bloodshed.

Why?...and to what degree...this question I do realise is impossible an utopian, Iam not implying in an notion that there will not be blood shed...but a revoltion in a capitalsit nation by the proletarait is going to be very different to an peasant rebellion in a third world country.

[LuZhiming]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 14 2004, 08:54 PM
Ok, so in my politics class, i said that Castro has done horrible things in Cuba, like killing ppl in opposition to him in some instances...(i read that somewhere while engaging on interest about him a while back)

anyway, I said that had Cuba been led by Che Guevara, it would be much more better today, in terms of equality, etc...less differentiation btwn gov't and ppl...cuz i read this piece Guevara did on Socialism, and he really promoted equality, probably moreso than Castro.

This apparently made ppl mad and said he killed ppl and so forth, and shouldnt be viewed so highly...i guess they didnt take liking to my Che Guevara shirt that i was wearing that day either! lol...

Why do ppl have such a hatred for him? Like, ok, i'll give them that he killed a bunch of ppl, but i mean, u hafta look at why he did that. Time Magazine reveres the US Soldier as the persons of the year, and they kill INNOCENT and CIVILIAN ppl!! I dont get that man...

Castro doesn't execute political opponents anymore. He puts them in jail, but he doesn't kill them. The only time he did that was in the very beginning of the Revolution, when he was somewhat paranoid over people betraying him and whatnot.

Cuba would not have been better under Che. Che Guevara is not meant to be an administrator, he doesn't have the rationality of Fidel. No one was better for the job of leading the Cuban Revolution than Fidel Castro. And no one was better at being his right-hand man in the early days than Che Guevara.

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by Digital [email protected] 15 2004, 04:11 PM
I have never really encountered that much anti-che feeling, my history doesn't like him because of how he wanted Russia to launch it's nukes at the US.


that crazzy. he didnt want russia to back down to the US. but i think russia did the right thing they didnt really back down they got what they wonted.

[Hanna]

hey tho i no most of ye won´t appriciate dis now 2 much i´ve 2 say that (tho i thnk che woz great) really don´t like sone of his stuff.
The way he killed ppl and let their relatives watch it and stuff.
ok, mayb they had da wrong opinion bt who got da rite 2 say wot´s rite and wrong??

and the reason that george bush is killing now is really no argument 4 saying it´s ok che od who ever did.

"y do we kill ppl 2 show that killin is wrong"

[bubbrubb]

yes he did kill but i believe it was needed. the people were for it and if he didn't maybe those people might have lived and mad a counterrevolutionary group and thatw ould threaten what they just created.

[Wiesty]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 09:07 PM
that just cuz they are being brainwashed by there parents, teachers, friends, that communism and communists are evil, patriots are the best, and so forth and so on
I totally agree with you my friend. It the American Society that teaches us this Bull #$@$. They are saying the because they were enemies against the americans that they were in the wrong doin so. But people in Cuba will say that Che and Castro were totally in the right and america. O another thing that sparks me is you think of Castro being much older then che and castro the big wize man and che the young smart military leader. but they were both the same age (1 year differecne) weird and they also met when they were very young before the revolution and were kinda like friends

~wierd~

[bluerev002]

Although this is off topic, I must comment on it. I doubt that Cuba would have been any better with Che around. He didnt know a thing about running a country. Fidel atleast knew a good deal about laws (him beign a lawyer). All Che had was the heart to give help to anyone. He even critizised the soviets in a speach that got them all pissed off at Cuba, saying that they should give all the help they possibly could to smaller communist countries.

Che would have probably gave so much away that there would have been no more.
Che would have probably led the world into a nuclear war (he made no opposition on using the missiles on the US during the crisis.

Yeah he had a good, most likely better, idea of what it ment to be a socialist country than Fidel. But Fidel knew what the limits were on a small isolated country.

You give Fidel less credit than what he deserves. Not even the Soviets were able to keep a country going under the worlds pressure, imagine a small country constantly under the threat of US terroism.

Give Fidel more credit than that, no Fidel, no Che...

[Wiesty]

very true give fidel some credit.
And about che not knowing how to run a country, of course he didnt, that wasnt a job, just like castro probably to my beilifes couldnt fight like che. Its like telling a doctor to direct a movie. its wasnt ches job to run the company.

[shintso]

first of all it is true that che isnt a martyr. when you say "ok so he killed some ppl) you most understand one thing - there is a big difference between gaurilla warfare and masacare. fighting in the jungle made it possible for revolulotianaries to act unhuman as they pleased, but that was a time of war and they were outnumbered and weak. after the seizing of power, che showed a great amout of vicousness and cold blooded cruelty that could be equiled to castro's (im refering to the mass execution of batista's men).
on the other hand, i believe that your general idea was quite correct. if che was in fact 'el presidente' after the revolution, and he would enflict upon cuba the same ideals which he spoke of in his 'man and socializm' piece, cuba would, hopefully, look different today. remember, che believed in the building of cuba whilst castro favored the support of mother-russia. this led in the spring of 1965 to che departure from cuba. still, we cant be that optimistic. in my opinion true socializm is a great idea (a heavenly idea!) but also is false hope, since equality is not possible for human nature to comprihende. moreover, che went out against the US, and we all know that countries who did that were doomed after the fall of ussr. i myself am from israel and know exactly why a country should be loyal to the US ("it is best to be at the devil's side than in its way")
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