Obama embraced a Russian proposal to avert war by controlling syrias chemical weapons

[dez]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/world/middleeast/obama-embraces-russian-proposal-on-syria-weapons.html?hp&_r=1&

WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday tentatively embraced a Russian diplomatic proposal to avert a United States military strike on Syria by having international monitors take control of the Syrian government’s chemical weapons. The move added new uncertainty to Mr. Obama’s push to win support among allies, the American public and members of Congress for an attack.

[piet11111]

Hmm so will this turn into the same deal Iraq got where Syria will have to prove a negative ?

The USA can always claim Syria is hiding chemical weapons at some other location until they have been through every basement and attic in Syria.
And then they can bring up those road mobile WMD labs again :laugh:.

But at least the Americans will not be able to attack for a while until they fabricate some more evidence.
Or until their Al Qaeda buddy's fire another chemical weapon off.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Am I being too optimistic if I have a drink to "WWIV-proper delayed"?

[Popular Front of Judea]

Have a drink anyway. WWIII or IV never was never a likely scenario.


Am I being too optimistic if I have a drink to "WWIV-proper delayed"?

[blake 3:17]

Not so sure on that one.

Had a few good talks on the issue with people very smart but ideologically all over. Might well be that US unilateralism is at a stand still.

[Popular Front of Judea]

Not saying there isn't some heavy duty geopolitics at play. Just think 'WWIII' is way, way overused.

Very interesting article on Syria, Russia and the Saudis: https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/putin-saudi-arabia/8c1c50057823dc85776e6c6f22d76809bfd88120/

[blake 3:17]

@PFoJ -- As a Zapatista supporter I think we're already in World War 4


Afterwards came the Fourth World War, which destroyed everything from before, because the world is no longer the same, and the same strategy cannot be applied. The concept of "total war" was developed further: it is not only a war on all fronts, it is a war which can be anywhere, a total war in which the entire world is at stake. "Total war" means: at any moment, in any place, under any circumstances. The idea of fighting for one place in particular no longer exists. Now the fight can take place at any moment. There is no longer the concept of escalation of the conflict with threats, the taking of positions and attempts to reposition oneself. At any moment and in any circumstances, a conflict can arise. It can be domestic problem, it can be a dictator and everything which the last wars of the last five years have been, from Kosovo to the Persian Gulf War. The entire military routine of the Cold War has, thus, been destroyed.

It is not possible to make war, in the Fourth World War, under the criteria of the Third, because now I have to fight any place, I don't know where I'm going to have to fight, nor do I know when, I have to act rapidly, I don't even know what circumstances I'm going to have to prosecute this war. In order to resolve the problem, the military first developed the "rapid deployment" war. An example would be the Persian Gulf War, a war which involved a great accumulation of military force in a short period of time, a large military action in a short period of time, the conquering of territories and withdrawal. The invasion of Panama would be another example of rapid deployment. There is, in fact, a NATO contingent which is called "rapid intervention force." Rapid deployment is a large mass of military force which throws itself against the enemy and which makes no distinction between a children's hospital and a chemical weapons factory. That is what happened in Iraq: the smart bombs were quite stupid, they made no distinctions. And that's where they remained, because they realized that this is quite expensive, and it contributes very little. In Iraq they made an entire deployment, but there was no conquest of territory. There were the problems of the local protests, there were the international human rights observers.

http://www.inmotionmagazine.com/auto/fourth.html

This was all before 9/11, etc.

[Tim Cornelis]

When will we see the Sparts proclaim "Defend the Bonapartist anti-imperialist Syrian Arab Republic's right to Chemical Weapons!".

http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/migration/img_up/up_3/460_0___30_0_0_0_0_0_37123_1.jpg

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

It's always amusing to see people, ostensible socialists even, expressing such touching faith in imperialist "disarmament" initiatives, especially after Iraq and so on. It is rather odd, however, that none of them are calling for these "monitors" to be deployed in Wahhabi Arabia or in any of the other American puppet regimes in the region.

[DasFapital]

People are already claiming this only happened because the US got tough and threatened to attack Syria. Yeah okay...

[Audeamus]

Hmm so will this turn into the same deal Iraq got where Syria will have to prove a negative ?

The USA can always claim Syria is hiding chemical weapons at some other location until they have been through every basement and attic in Syria.
And then they can bring up those road mobile WMD labs again :laugh:.


Given the amount of qualification the support this plan is getting from the Obama administration, I think that is very well what could end up happening, insisting that the turning over of Syrian chemical weapons be "swift and transparent". Not swift enough for Obama and co. and you'll find a few cruise missiles heading your way. And from the mouth of John Kerry himself: "nothing has changed with respect to our request for the Congress to take action".

[Onecom]

lol seriously kerry needs to shut the hell up already no one believes his crap anymore.

Lets see what new"evidence" they will manufacture later.

[Rafiq]

When will we see the Sparts proclaim "Defend the Bonapartist anti-imperialist Syrian Arab Republic's right to Chemical Weapons!".

http://www.indymedia.ie/cache/imagecache/local/attachments/migration/img_up/up_3/460_0___30_0_0_0_0_0_37123_1.jpg

To call it bonapartist is too much. Hafiz Al Assad took power against the military, led by Saleh Jadid, not with it's backing.

[RebelDog]

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Why didn't Kerry ask him to get rid of his chemical weapons when he had dinner with him?

[ckaihatsu]

When will we see the Sparts proclaim "Defend the Bonapartist anti-imperialist Syrian Arab Republic's right to Chemical Weapons!".


I've heard the argument that chemical weapons can be defended as just being poor-man's WMDs....

[blake 3:17]

The media was terrible on it today -- I guess Assad's in total co-operation on this one -- and some of the news writers were blasting for not moving faster.

That's crazy. You're in the middle of a war, you've deadly chemicals you're willing to surrender, but like how do you just give them away??? It's so WTF. That'd be the height of irresponsibility. Who's taking them? Disposing of them?

[Paul Pott]

This is a political victory for Russia/Assad. Obama is going to have to figure out how to make lemonade here, and they've already started with increased open arming of the rebels.