Battle Between White Supremacist Forums on Formation of Nazi Town, North Dakota

[RedBen]

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2013/09/05/leith-revelations-spark-battle-between-white-supremacist-forums/
Two weeks ago, Hatewatch revealed that longtime white supremacist Craig Cobb was buying up properties in the small town of Leith, N.D., in the hope of creating a white homeland. You might think that fellow white supremacists since then would jump to defend Cobb, who was actually trying to do something to create the “white living space” they are all seeking and was in the eye of a media storm.

But, true to form, what began as a discussion of the developments in Leith quickly turned into the kind of internecine catfight that characterizes so much of the American racist right. The squabble quickly developed into a major battle between White Nations, the website where Cobb had been posting regularly on his Leith project, and Vanguard News Network (VNN), a neo-Nazi Web forum.

Why all the bad blood? Well, aside from the perennial suspicions and mutual jealousies that typically plague small radical groups, White Nations is home to people who have been banned from VNN for a myriad of offenses, real and imagined. The founder of White Nations, last week exposed by Hatewatch as Stanley Edward Diggs of Houma, La., was one of those expelled. (Diggs’ White Nations site is moderated by Cynthia W. Slay of Hogansville, Ga., who posts there as “WitchesChild” and calls herself the “Heretic Admin from Hell.”)

Diggs, who calls himself “Fred O’Malley” online, created his White Nations forum after being booted from VNN for what he described as his attempt to get rid of an “SPLC mole,” a reference to the Southern Poverty Law Center that publishes this blog. Diggs writes that after VNN declined to ban the supposed spy, a “homosexual administrator” at VNN began harassing him and eventually banned him entirely. Since that time, Diggs, as O’Malley, has been posting against VNN relentlessly.


Alex Linder, the bellicose owner of VNN and hardly one to pass up on a fight, has in turn repeatedly attacked the white supremacists on White Nations, calling them a “collection of paranoids, nutbags and sex deviants.” He warned that anyone posting at White Nations “will likely be banned” from VNN.

The war between the forums grew particularly fierce this week after a VNN poster did some research on Diggs. Someone using the name “M. N. Dalvez” posted links to a Daytona Beach Morning Journal story that ran in 1985 about Diggs, then 34, titled “Rapist Gets 15 Year Prison Term.” The article reported that Diggs had been found guilty of sexual battery and burglary for forcing himself on a young woman in her own bed. “Diggs struck her on the head, knocked her down and choked her,” the article said, citing trial testimony. The story also reported that Diggs had been charged with aggravated assault earlier in Louisiana for “beating his ex-wife.” The VNN thread about Diggs’ past is labeled “‘Fred O’Malley’ is a Convicted Rapist.” Hatewatch’s calls to Diggs for comment were not returned.

That was the revelation that caused Linder to characterize White Nations as a home for “sex deviants.” But he had other reasons. One is another White Nations regular who was banned from VNN last January — Stephen Lewis Akins of Jasper, Ala. Linder kicked him off VNN after Akins, who used “Steven L. Akins” on VNN, began posting about his interest in underage girls, at one point writing “Old enough to drive, old enough to ride.” Akins also posted pornographic images of young girls — photos that were rapidly pulled down by VNN’s administrators — and referred to pedophiles as “normal members of society as they aren’t queers or race-mixers.” Akins’ comments elicited this from “Angel Ramsey” on VNN: “Why does it not surprise me that Akins would be on a pedophile thread. Rolleyes.”

That wasn’t Akins’ only problem. Last Jan. 4, he wrote on VNN about being confronted by local police after he threatened to kill his physician’s receptionist after he was denied a refill of his depression medication. “At that point I feel my right arm, which was holding a half-full can of diet Dr. Pepper, rear back and throw the can as hard as I could in the direction of Miss *****’s head, which missed and hit the back wall of the office as I yelled at her that I would come through that glass window and fucking kill her if she didn’t do something to get me my meds,” wrote Akins, who added that he was suffering from withdrawal symptoms at the time.

None of this has tempered Akins’ belligerence. Posting as “Lionel Mandrake” on White Nations, he has attacked white supremacist leaders besides those at VNN. A couple days ago, he called Don Black, a former Alabama Klan leader and the founder of the largest hate forum on the Web, Stormfront, a “Jew” and a “stooge” who supposedly set his forum up to make money and inform on his posters. This from a man who says he is a minister — Akins posted his “Credentials of Ministry” from something called the World Church League of Joelton, Tenn.


White Nations has some other interesting folks attacking VNN. Of particular note is “Aldolphus Mueller,” whose real name is John Anthony Boone of Mobile, Ala. Also banned from VNN, Boone calls the site “some sort of jewish [sic] NGO supported operation” that is “closely connected to the federal government” and claims Linder is living in Section 8 housing. This was part of a lengthy and active White Nations thread entitled “VNN Administration is cooperating with SPLC.”

Like Akins, Boone has had some interaction with law enforcement in the past. In 1996, he was involved in an altercation with University of South Alabama campus police that ended when a Mobile SWAT team raided his house and arrested him. He later filed a complaint claiming his civil rights had been violated.
pointless, but amusing

[Popular Front of Judea]

Comedic gold. Makes Revleft look like a Unitarian support group in comparison.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Those damn jewish stooges!

[Popular Front of Judea]

Uh Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp were Jewish. :grin:


Those damn jewish stooges!

[dodger]

Uh Moe, Larry, Curly and Shemp were Jewish. :grin:

yes...from the 13th tribe...

[synthesis]

Comedic gold. Makes Revleft look like a Unitarian support group in comparison.

Eh, were you around for the MIM/Maoist Rebel News stuff? We've had tons of breakaway forums in the past.

Not to say that this isn't hilarious, of course.

[Popular Front of Judea]

I would hope they had better reasons to break away than the posters on the "White Nation" site. Thrown off a white supremacist site because you are too anti-social. Now that's an accomplishment.


Eh, were you around for the MIM/Maoist Rebel News stuff? We've had tons of breakaway forums in the past.

Not to say that this isn't hilarious, of course.

[liberlict]

lol. I've spent time on WN forums. They have all the same internal party wars as you guys. There's Nordic supremacists, 'white' nationalists, and Arabs that want acceptance. All very amusing.

[Rurkel]

They have all the same internal party wars as you guys. There's Nordic supremacists, 'white' nationalists, and Arabs that want acceptance. All very amusing.
Albeit this particular storm in a bucket of neo-nazi water doesn't seem to have anything to do with ideological differences. What is the difference between a Nordic supremacist and your typical white nationalist btw?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I am reminded of when I joined a forum of one of those 'anti-islamist' racist groups situated in the UK while posing as an 'anti-extremist muslim' from Jordan. You could feel the shock and disbelief blasting through the screen whenever I talked with people on there.

Sadly a lot of them are doped by very Alex Jones-y type propaganda, e.g. they think that Al-Qaeda and the oil kingdoms of the Arabian peninsula are supported and defended by 'communists'. Luckily for a few of them I believe some conversations can change their outlook.

More hardline folks, like the ones who are openly white supremacists and who enter white supremacist forums aren't going to change outlook anytime soon. For those pigs, boots and bricks are the best solution.

[liberlict]

Albeit this particular storm in a bucket of neo-nazi water doesn't seem to have anything to do with ideological differences. What is the difference between a Nordic supremacist and your typical white nationalist btw?

The Nordic supremacists consider themselves the best of the whites. And they are much more snobbish about "borderline" whites joining the movement, like Spaniards and Slavs.

[RedCeltic]

The Nordic supremacists consider themselves the best of the whites. And they are much more snobbish about "borderline" whites joining the movement, like Spaniards and Slavs.

Borderline whites? Some people seriously have way too much time on their hands to worry about stupid shit like who's white and who's not. Us Irish in the 19th century weren't considered white. My grandmother didn't consider Italians white. But you know, it's 2013, people need to get over themselves.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Borderline whites? Some people seriously have way too much time on their hands to worry about stupid shit like who's white and who's not. Us Irish in the 19th century weren't considered white. My grandmother didn't consider Italians white. But you know, it's 2013, people need to get over themselves.

In Old Britain basically anyone who wasn't British was considered 'not white'. Some of the atrocities committed by British to Irish people just prior to the invasion of the new world while using the concept of 'whiteness' as an excuse is Nazi-level bad (e.g. British generals would write that Irish people were 'capricious, bloodthirsty and untrustworthy savages' before massacring hundreds of innocent Irish villagers and lining their heads along the sides of roads between settlements to serve as a 'reminder of who was boss'). Similar things happened with slavs (this continued up to the 20th century - you should hear the secretly recorded rant Churchill went on about 'slav peasant monkeys' in his room during his brief stay in the USSR).

Now Irish and Russian people are considered 'white' like everyone else in Europe - hell, there are a few white supremacist groups active in Ireland and Russia at this very moment! How's that for ironic!?

Stuff like this really exposes the dumb social construct for what it is.

[liberlict]

Borderline whites? Some people seriously have way too much time on their hands to worry about stupid shit like who's white and who's not. Us Irish in the 19th century weren't considered white. My grandmother didn't consider Italians white. But you know, it's 2013, people need to get over themselves.

Here's a link I posted in another thread.

I'm white and from Pakistan (http://tinyurl.com/ohmzctu)

[RedCeltic]

Here's a link I posted in another thread.

I'm white and from Pakistan (http://tinyurl.com/ohmzctu)


Very ignorant people there. I suppose, it comes down to what qualifies someone as "White" though since "white" people are typically called caucasians, then Pashtun people thus must be white as they came out of the same region as Europeans did. Though, recent DNA evidence shows all people can be traced back to one small tribe in Africa so race doesn't truly exist anyway.

[RedBen]

Very ignorant people there. I suppose, it comes down to what qualifies someone as "White" though since "white" people are typically called caucasians, then Pashtun people thus must be white as they came out of the same region as Europeans did. Though, recent DNA evidence shows all people can be traced back to one small tribe in Africa so race doesn't truly exist anyway.
i had that argument with people, it usually devolves into them arguing that evolution cause some people to be superior or black people being a missing link or some bs. arguing with a racist never ends, first they either deny/justify it, then it quickly loses all intelligibility and turns into uniformed opinions on pseudo-science.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

i had that argument with people, it usually devolves into them arguing that evolution cause some people to be superior or black people being a missing link or some bs. arguing with a racist never ends, first they either deny/justify it, then it quickly loses all intelligibility and turns into uniformed opinions on pseudo-science.

Which fucking black people!? The fact of the term 'black people' being a misnomer with regards to ethnicity notwithstanding, Africa is basically the most ethnically diverse continent on earth! Which ethnic group are they referencing here? Asante? Hausas? Yorubans? Somalians? Berbers? Bushmen? Zulus? Nubians? Congolese? Malagasy? All are different ethnic groups found in Africa, with distinct ethnic features.

E.g. (sorry, images don't seem to appear on Revleft anymore).
Bushman (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/San_tribesman.jpg/250px-San_tribesman.jpg)
Nubian Person (http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/862-03354615em-A-Nubian-man-wearing-a-white-turban-smiles-broadly-at-his-friend-.jpg)
Asante Person (https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3540124721/30884b77ac48c08d3fe4dc74d640e75f.jpeg)
Berber Person (http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/841-02918837em-Portrait-of-Berber-man--Anti-Atlas-region--Morocco--North-Africa--Afri.jpg)
Somalian Person (http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2009/04/1_123125_123073_2207907_2215155_090423_ex_spiratet n.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg)
Zulu Person (http://www.zululandeco-adventures.com/files/56/gallery/zulu%20man%20at%20ceremony.jpg)


You don't even need to go into an explanation of 6th grade biology to prove their racist crap about 'missing links' wrong; the very premise doesn't make any fucking sense!

Not having a go at you, Ben - I just share your pains completely. Arguing with these nuts is a lost cause.

[RedCeltic]

There is actually very little that defines race besides features and even that makes up so little of your DNA that in fact there is more difference between a DNA of a man and a woman of the same race than two people of the same gender and different races. We have also discovered through DNA research that previous notions of the neanderthal being out hunted, or slaughtered by caucasians when they entered Europe has now been replaced with the belief the caucasians bred them out as they have found evidence that humans and neanderthal mixed and that some neanderthal DNA exists in white Europeans.

So if you want to talk about "racial purity" one could argue that someone of pure African heritage would be more purely "human" than myself or others like me from purely western European decent. And since the neanderthal was our less evolved cousin, that is not a benefit... though since this happened thousands of years ago the trace amount of neanderthal DNA that might still survive in some of us of European stock really amounts to very little... though hardly makes us any "Master race."

[4MyNation]

Good the see the spirit of the 50s hasn't died!

[RedBen]

Which fucking black people!? The fact of the term 'black people' being a misnomer with regards to ethnicity notwithstanding, Africa is basically the most ethnically diverse continent on earth! Which ethnic group are they referencing here? Asante? Hausas? Yorubans? Somalians? Berbers? Bushmen? Zulus? Nubians? Congolese? Malagasy? All are different ethnic groups found in Africa, with distinct ethnic features.

E.g. (sorry, images don't seem to appear on Revleft anymore).
Bushman (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/San_tribesman.jpg/250px-San_tribesman.jpg)
Nubian Person (http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/862-03354615em-A-Nubian-man-wearing-a-white-turban-smiles-broadly-at-his-friend-.jpg)
Asante Person (https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/3540124721/30884b77ac48c08d3fe4dc74d640e75f.jpeg)
Berber Person (http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/841-02918837em-Portrait-of-Berber-man--Anti-Atlas-region--Morocco--North-Africa--Afri.jpg)
Somalian Person (http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/archive/2009/04/1_123125_123073_2207907_2215155_090423_ex_spiratet n.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg)
Zulu Person (http://www.zululandeco-adventures.com/files/56/gallery/zulu%20man%20at%20ceremony.jpg)


You don't even need to go into an explanation of 6th grade biology to prove their racist crap about 'missing links' wrong; the very premise doesn't make any fucking sense!

Not having a go at you, Ben - I just share your pains completely. Arguing with these nuts is a lost cause.
i understand, it makes my blood boil to.

[adipocere]

Which fucking black people!? The fact of the term 'black people' being a misnomer with regards to ethnicity notwithstanding, Africa is basically the most ethnically diverse continent on earth! Which ethnic group are they referencing here? Asante? Hausas? Yorubans? Somalians? Berbers? Bushmen? Zulus? Nubians? Congolese? Malagasy? All are different ethnic groups found in Africa, with distinct ethnic features.

E.g. (sorry, images don't seem to appear on Revleft anymore).
Bushman
Nubian Person
Asante Person
Berber Person
Somalian Person
Zulu Person


You don't even need to go into an explanation of 6th grade biology to prove their racist crap about 'missing links' wrong; the very premise doesn't make any fucking sense!

Not having a go at you, Ben - I just share your pains completely. Arguing with these nuts is a lost cause.

Whoa...slow down. We're not talking about finches here, those are human beings - I don't think a zoological taxonomy lesson in "black diversity" is appropriate...this isn't 1940. You should remove those links.

also:

Diggs, who calls himself “Fred O’Malley” online, created his White Nations forum after being booted from VNN for what he described as his attempt to get rid of an “SPLC mole,” a reference to the Southern Poverty Law Center that publishes this blog. :):grin::lol::laugh:

[RedBen]

Diggs, who calls himself “Fred O’Malley” online, created his White Nations forum after being booted from VNN for what he described as his attempt to get rid of an “SPLC mole,” a reference to the Southern Poverty Law Center that publishes this blog.
:):grin::lol::laugh:
hmm.... sounds familiar...

[RedCeltic]

SPLC is really good at tracking racist trash They've been doing it since 1971 ever since the organization was formed by two civil rights lawyers and have done a great job in helping to bring down the institution of white supremacy in the southern united states.

[Vireya]

Whoa...slow down. We're not talking about finches here, those are human beings - I don't think a zoological taxonomy lesson in "black diversity" is appropriate...this isn't 1940. You should remove those links.

also:
:):grin::lol::laugh:

His links are fine, they show examples of the morphological variation of Africans. What's so "inappropriate" about that?

[argeiphontes]

they have found evidence that humans and neanderthal mixed and that some neanderthal DNA exists in white Europeans.

So if you want to talk about "racial purity" one could argue that someone of pure African heritage would be more purely "human" than myself or others like me from purely western European decent. And since the neanderthal was our less evolved cousin, that is not a benefit... though since this happened thousands of years ago the trace amount of neanderthal DNA that might still survive in some of us of European stock really amounts to very little... though hardly makes us any "Master race."

That explains why Europeans are bloodthirsty savages who've caused more destruction than any other race.

[Fourth Internationalist]

That explains why Europeans are bloodthirsty savages who've caused more destruction than any other race.

European isn't a race. Plus, many Europeans weren't savages, such as Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels, Rosa Luxemburg, Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky, etc. All those were Europeans. :P But seriously, the European ruling classes and governments were and still are savages. Most European proletarians were/are good.

[argeiphontes]

^ No, of course I agree :) Wars are started by elites, not by the man in the street, who as a rule isn't a savage. (We've got one example going on now...)

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Whoa...slow down. We're not talking about finches here, those are human beings - I don't think a zoological taxonomy lesson in "black diversity" is appropriate...this isn't 1940. You should remove those links.

also:
:):grin::lol::laugh:

I wasn't arguing or trying to demonstrate the 'exoticity' of the various ethnic groups in Africa. I was demonstrating the utter ridiculousness of racist arguments from the get-go. I didn't say that these were different hominids, did I? As RedCeltic said, the differences between human beings is literally more distinct between members of the same ethnicity but different genders, than members of the same gender of different ethnicities.


That explains why Europeans are bloodthirsty savages who've caused more destruction than any other race.

Now this is just pseudo-racist nonsense with no basis in history or fact. Neanderthal DNA can be found in almost every ethnic group outside Africa (and in some parts of Africa, due to migration back-flow of peoples into Africa again), alongside Denisovan DNA (Denisovans were another hominid closely related to Neanderthals), which is present in the same levels in Europe as it is in Africa, while barely present in the Arabian peninsula or a historical region of Mexico, and is extremely common in Southern China, Melanesia (Papua New Guinea, Solomon Islands), Northern Australia, and the Amazon.

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/wiredscience/2011/10/denisovan_map.jpg

I guess ethnic amazonians, who modern anthropology shows to be no different from practically every other person on the planet, and who had extremely egalitarian, post-scarcity hunter-gatherer societies (basically primitive communism), and were noted by early Spanish explorers to be extremely hospitable, are 'bloodthirsty savages who kill and maim for fun because they have Denisovan DNA!' Perhaps in the eyes of an ascientific conquistador, but not something you'd expect to see on a leftist forum.

I recommend you read a book named Germs, Guns & Steel: it is a summary of human history and rebuts racist myths of 'civilisations being developed here not here means that certain ethnicities being superior to others', by going through how the world around human beings (the minerals near them, whether they had access to quick transport like horses, etc.) shaped the their social systems, not the 'innate powers' of the humans themselves.

[o well this is ok I guess]

to be fair revleft has had some silly drama of almost the exact same sort
though thankfully no one here has suggested forming a revleft commune

[RedBen]

to be fair revleft has had some silly drama of almost the exact same sort
though thankfully no one here has suggested forming a revleft commune
what's wrong with a revleft commune? i'm thinking of starting one as we "speak". with free food, grown organically... and FREE HOOCH. we'll have organically grown corn moonshine:lol:

[adipocere]

I wasn't arguing or trying to demonstrate the 'exoticity' of the various ethnic groups in Africa. I was demonstrating the utter ridiculousness of racist arguments from the get-go. I didn't say that these were different hominids, did I? As RedCeltic said, the differences between human beings is literally more distinct between members of the same ethnicity but different genders, than members of the same gender of different ethnicities.

I get that and I'm not getting into a whipshitty over it... but it's insensitive to line up photographs of African people like they are animal specimens to make points about racial variation.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

but it's insensitive to line up photographs of African people like they are animal specimens to make points about racial variation.

I've made it quite clear that I did not 'line up photographs of these folks like animal specimens' but as visual representation of the argument I'd made.

I honestly don't understand why you find it so insensitive. How am I devaluing or dehumanising the people in these pictures by using them in examples for arguments against racist mythology? It's true that Africa is an ethnically diverse continent and I linked images of random people from these ethnic groupings to prove my point. Is there something wrong with that?

[adipocere]

I've made it quite clear that I did not 'line up photographs of these folks like animal specimens' but as visual representation of the argument I'd made.

I honestly don't understand why you find it so insensitive. How am I devaluing or dehumanising the people in these pictures by using them in examples for arguments against racist mythology? It's true that Africa is an ethnically diverse continent and I linked images of random people from these ethnic groupings to prove my point. Is there something wrong with that?

I don't think you're a stealth racist or anything like that. I also get what you're saying. However, the racist mythology subtly is reinforced when we use even slightly racist methods. It's a level of ethnocentric privilege that we mostly take for granted. Let me compare it with National Geographic or news articles or w/e and how there are warnings about "tribal nudity" if you are showing non-whites naked. It's certainly not malicious, but in that case it panders essentially to racism - or more accurately, white supremacy, (rated low-importance) - to overlook the sensitive issue of nudity (high-importance) It's "ok" for us to look at these people naked because they're dark skinned and tribal. Could you imagine if National Geographic referred to a nudist colony of white people in Florida as "tribal nudity"? (which technically it is - but it's a lifestyle choice and it's a colony) So be honest, could you really imagine a gallery of "random whites from different geographic regions" as proof of anything other than someone who thinks that if you look close enough, you can actually tell 'em apart.

What I'm getting at is that white privilege is subtle and deep, and it's inadvertently reinforced through a paradigm that revolves around "white" as the default status, making everything that is not white inherently different. So back to your example - constructing an argument against racism in what is fundamentally a racist framework, is just a lot less racist.

We're also not talking about cultural differences, which is different, we're specifically talking about race. And by using random examples of an historically oppressed/enslaved/brutalized people, especially Africans, in a way that depersonalizes them and places them into something of a menagerie is insensitive.... It's unconscious, it's subtle, but it's not terribly different than the ways women are unintentionally demeaned in a patriarchal society.

I'm not trying to attack you, maybe you will see my side, maybe not...but there it is.

edit: It's actually an almost impossible situation to avoid if you are actually trying to deal with racists - I will concede that...however, this isn't Stormfront. I hold leftists to a higher standard and I think the examples were unnecessary because nobody was discussing race...just racists.

[liberlict]

Very ignorant people there. I suppose, it comes down to what qualifies someone as "White" though since "white" people are typically called caucasians, then Pashtun people thus must be white as they came out of the same region as Europeans did. Though, recent DNA evidence shows all people can be traced back to one small tribe in Africa so race doesn't truly exist anyway.

Personally, I don't think 'race' has any usefulness, it cannot even be defined properly. The worst thing is people trying to be 'white'. Id rather be mixed race lol.

[RedCeltic]

There is a guy where I work who's Mother is 100% Irish from two parents who came over from Ireland, and who's father is African-American. A young woman I work with who has a "thing" for "black guys" said, "Oh you're the first brother I've seen come work here in so long." He was rather annoyed and said that he did not consider himself a "brother" he didn't identify with being black or white and when asked he always claimed mixed ethnicity. I personally found it rather amusing that he shot her down for seeming to only be interested in him due to his "race" and had even said to her, "why only date black guys or only date white guys, or tall guys or athletic guys? Why not just have a policy to only date nice guys?" I found it interesting to see such level headedness and confidence in someone so young (he's 19) rather than getting cocky at having women swoon over him.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't think you're a stealth racist or anything like that. I also get what you're saying. However, the racist mythology subtly is reinforced when we use even slightly racist methods. It's a level of ethnocentric privilege that we mostly take for granted. Let me compare it with National Geographic or news articles or w/e and how there are warnings about "tribal nudity" if you are showing non-whites naked. It's certainly not malicious, but in that case it panders essentially to racism - or more accurately, white supremacy, (rated low-importance) - to overlook the sensitive issue of nudity (high-importance)

I've never seen such warnings about "tribal nudity", ever. But maybe that's because where I live it's taken for granted that in some parts of the world, people wear less clothing. Unlike the US which seems to have trouble remembering that there's an entire world outside their borders.


It's "ok" for us to look at these people naked because they're dark skinned and tribal.

In general it's OK to look at people naked (no matter their skin colour or social background), because there's nothing offensive about the human body.


Could you imagine if National Geographic referred to a nudist colony of white people in Florida as "tribal nudity"? (which technically it is - but it's a lifestyle choice and it's a colony)

I could, but that would be as silly as any "warning" over nudity.


So be honest, could you really imagine a gallery of "random whites from different geographic regions" as proof of anything other than someone who thinks that if you look close enough, you can actually tell 'em apart.

Sure I could. Human features vary even within geographical regions, but that's not to say that physical exemplars of statistical tendencies cannot be found. How many natural blondes are there in northern Europe compared with say, eastern Asia?


What I'm getting at is that white privilege is subtle and deep, and it's inadvertently reinforced through a paradigm that revolves around "white" as the default status, making everything that is not white inherently different. So back to your example - constructing an argument against racism in what is fundamentally a racist framework, is just a lot less racist.

We're also not talking about cultural differences, which is different, we're specifically talking about race. And by using random examples of an historically oppressed/enslaved/brutalized people, especially Africans, in a way that depersonalizes them and places them into something of a menagerie is insensitive.... It's unconscious, it's subtle, but it's not terribly different than the ways women are unintentionally demeaned in a patriarchal society.

I disagree, how is it "depersonalising"? Since we're not talking about specific individuals in the first place, there's no personality being effaced here.

"Menagerie"? I suggest that if that is your first thought when seeing a group of people from diverse backgrounds in one place, then the problem is with you, not the group or the person who formed said group. I can tell you for certain that it didn't occur to me to associate the links to images with the word "menagerie" until you mentioned it - they were just images of random folks from a particular part of the world we all have to live in, and they still are as far as I am concerned. Who's really being the racist here?

[tachosomoza]

It's beautiful when stupid and bored white men fight each other.

[liberlict]

I actually think buying land is a better way for these racist idiots to achieve their goal. There are white communities in America around the place. There's one in Michigan that is like completely white, if I remember correctly. "White living space" based on legal title to land rather than a Third Reich is a much better approach imo (if you're into that sort of thing).