Those evil DPRK bastards!

[Delenda Carthago]

Not only they executed that "porn orchestra" but according to KCTV they also resurected them to have a concert.

LB_BHlEcqKM


Official Statement of The Special Delegate of the DPRK's Committee for Cultural Relations with Foreign Countries:
Some media have been spreading one article published by the sensationalist and ultraconservative South Korean newspaper Chosun Ilbo. In that daily they said that 'apparently', someone 'anonymous' told them that someone in China 'heard rumors' that an orchestra was executed in North Korea. This is completely false but because there are still some people around that believe such stories that lack any reliable sources, I confirm again that there is no such execution and that the orchestra players (like Unhasu Orchestra) will perform on Sept 9th, foundation of the Republic.


I guess all those millions of newspapers, blogs etc that published the news about the execution will now apologise, right?:rolleyes:

[Fourth Internationalist]

All countries that are considered enemies of the west have had silly sensationalist stories published about them. North Korea happens to be one of these countries. I am, of course, not excusing the regime of its authoritarianism against the proletariat and its anti-socialist nature. Those are the reasons North Korea should be criticized, not for it being an "evil communist country" whose criticism requires the making up of stories that push Western imperialist propaganda.

[Thirsty Crow]

I guess all those millions of newspapers, blogs etc that published the news about the execution will now apologise, right?:rolleyes:

And in other breaking news, a recent study shows that water is wet!

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

OK ... the real question is, does that mean that the North Korean porn never existed? Was that made up too? :crying:

[piet11111]

They wont let the truth get in the way of a good story.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Apparently the whole country is addicted to meth too, if you believe the bourgeois press.

[RedBen]

Not only they executed that "porn orchestra" but according to KCTV they also resurected them to have a concert.

LB_BHlEcqKM




I guess all those millions of newspapers, blogs etc that published the news about the execution will now apologise, right?:rolleyes:

i had a loud raucous laugh from this

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Someone could make a fortune making up lies about the DPRK and selling them to gullible Western "journalists" "scholars" and media. The example of Gregori Bessedovsky would be a good one to follow.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Ah, rejoice! North Korea is JUST an authoritarian, jingoistic, militaristic, dictatorial, nepotistic, fallow basketcase of an economy that doesn't allow people to leave, doesn't much allow people to enter - BUT - it didn't execute someone for appearing in a sex video. All hail North Korea. All hail the Kim dynasty!

Seriously, it's amazing that so many of you anti-imps seem to hold 'socialist' countries to a different standard than capitalist ones. Like, seriously, there is NOTHING supportable about North Korea aside from that it waves a few red flags. It's a state-run dictatorship that has nothing to do with socialism, or proletarian rule, or giving the working class some dignity in their lives, but just because it has pissed the off the USA, it's deemed supportable. :rolleyes:

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

The DPRK should acquire some colonies to extract surplus value from, so it can have an economy like the United KKKingdom.

[Fourth Internationalist]

The DPRK should acquire some colonies to extract surplus value from, so it can have an economy like the United KKKingdom.

Umm how about no.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Umm how about no.

lol, you mean the DPRK shouldn't try to improve its standard of living by invading other nations and enslaving them?

Aren't they betraying their working class by not doing that? lmao

[Delenda Carthago]

Ah, rejoice! North Korea is JUST an authoritarian, jingoistic, militaristic, dictatorial, nepotistic, fallow basketcase of an economy that doesn't allow people to leave, doesn't much allow people to enter - BUT - it didn't execute someone for appearing in a sex video. All hail North Korea. All hail the Kim dynasty!

Seriously, it's amazing that so many of you anti-imps seem to hold 'socialist' countries to a different standard than capitalist ones. Like, seriously, there is NOTHING supportable about North Korea aside from that it waves a few red flags. It's a state-run dictatorship that has nothing to do with socialism, or proletarian rule, or giving the working class some dignity in their lives, but just because it has pissed the off the USA, it's deemed supportable. :rolleyes:
You know, I didnt saw anyone sayin anythin outside the incident than you. Everything you say its just a strawman.

For you, its obviously preferable to let the lies spread.



And its a funny thing: its a self-fullfilling profecy. DPRK is a dictatorship. Why is it a dictatorship? Because it executes its people. But if you bring proof that this is a lie, you are a dictatorship apologist. Ain that so nice...

[Brutus]

Like, seriously, there is NOTHING supportable about North Korea aside from that it waves a few red flags

Are you saying that makes them supportable?

[Fourth Internationalist]

Are you saying that makes them supportable?

I don't believe that is what he means. In fact, I think that's what he's arguing against.

[Fourth Internationalist]

lol, you mean the DPRK shouldn't try to improve its standard of living by invading other nations and enslaving them?

Imperialism doesn't improve the standard of living for the working class of an imperialist nation. It only increases the power of the ruling class in those nations.


Aren't they betraying their working class by not doing that? lmao

By invading other nations, the DPR Korea would not help its domestic working class and would devastate the working classes of other nations. Keep in mind, the DPR Korea is not socialist, it is not a workers' state, and it is capitalist. It is in that way no different from countries like the US and Britain, and supporting North Korean imperialism is just as anti-working class as is supporting South Korean, American, and British (or just "Western") imperialism

[Stalinist Speaker]

every time the same story:lol:

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Imperialism doesn't improve the standard of living for the working class of an imperialist nation. It only increases the power of the ruling class in those nations.

Lenin seems to disagree.


It is not without interest to observe that even then these leading British bourgeois politicians saw the connection between what might be called the purely economic and the socio-political roots of modern imperialism. Chamberlain advocated imperialism as a “true, wise and economical policy”, and pointed particularly to the German, American and Belgian competition which Great Britain was encountering in the world market. Salvation lies in monopoly, said the capitalists as they formed cartels, syndicates and trusts. Salvation lies in monopoly, echoed the political leaders of the bourgeoisie, hastening to appropriate the parts of the world not yet shared out. And Cecil Rhodes, we are informed by his intimate friend, the journalist Stead, expressed his imperialist views to him in 1895 in the following terms: “I was in the East End of London (a working-class quarter) yesterday and attended a meeting of the unemployed. I listened to the wild speeches, which were just a cry for ‘bread! bread!’ and on my way home I pondered over the scene and I became more than ever convinced of the importance of imperialism.... My cherished idea is a solution for the social problem, i.e., in order to save the 40,000,000 inhabitants of the United Kingdom from a bloody civil war, we colonial statesmen must acquire new lands to settle the surplus population, to provide new markets for the goods produced in the factories and mines. The Empire, as I have always said, is a bread and butter question. If you want to avoid civil war, you must become imperialists.


By invading other nations, the DPR Korea would not help its domestic working class and would devastate the working classes of other nations.

It seems to me it would allow the chance for people in the DPRK to live like their Western counterparts. You know, nice comfortable office jobs and such.


The prospect of partitioning China elicited from Hobson the following economic appraisal: “The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera, and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods: all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and semi-manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa.... We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of Great Powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. Let those who would scout such a theory [he should have said: prospect] as undeserving of consideration examine the economic and social condition of districts in Southern England today which are already reduced to this condition, and reflect upon the vast extension of such a system which might be rendered feasible by the subjection of China to the economic control of similar groups of financiers, investors [rentiers] and political and business officials, draining the greatest potential reservoir of profit the world has ever known, in order to consume it in Europe. The situation is far too complex, the play of world forces far too incalculable, to render this or any other single interpretation of the future very probable; but the influences which govern the imperialism of Western Europe today are moving in this direction, and, unless counteracted or diverted, make towards such a consummation.”

Hobson, the social-liberal, fails to see that this “counteraction” can be offered only by the revolutionary proletariat and only in the form of a social revolution. But then he is a social-liberal! Nevertheless, as early as 1902 he had an excellent insight into the meaning and significance of a “United States of Europe” (be it said for the benefit of Trotsky the Kautskyite!) and of all that is now being glossed over by the hypocritical Kautskyites of various countries, namely, that the opportunists (social-chauvinists) are working hand in glove with the imperialist bourgeoisie precisely towards creating an imperialist Europe on the backs of Asia and Africa, and that objectively the opportunists are a section of the petty bourgeoisie and of a certain strata of the working class who have been bribed out of imperialist superprofits and converted to watchdogs of capitalism and corruptors of the labour movement

[Fourth Internationalist]

Lenin seems to disagree.

It seems to me it would allow the chance for people in the DPRK to live like their Western counterparts. You know, nice comfortable office jobs and such.

Did you even read what you posted? You're obviously not very familiar with Lenin (because of course you just copied and pasted quotes from Lenin that in no way support your position)You think NK should enslave other nations and that imperialism helps the working class. Are you a troll?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Did you even read what you posted? You're obviously not very familiar with Lenin. You think NK should enslave other nations and that imperialism helps the working class. Are you a troll?

No, I don't think the poster is saying that North Korea should (as if it could?) become an imperial power. I think what they're talking about is labour aristocracy - a thing that white middle-class Euro-American Marxists seem to hate talking about. Funny, that.

[Fourth Internationalist]

No, I don't think the poster is saying that North Korea should (as if it could?) become an imperial power. I think what they're talking about is labour aristocracy - a thing that white middle-class Euro-American Marxists seem to hate talking about. Funny, that.

He is clearly talking about North Korea invading other nations and that it helps the working class (as he stated directly in one of his posts). Of course, we know this is impossible for NK to do and is untrue. Along with the annoying and constant use of the words "lol" and "lmao" I think the person is trolling.

[Le Socialiste]

And its a funny thing: its a self-fullfilling profecy. DPRK is a dictatorship. Why is it a dictatorship? Because it executes its people. But if you bring proof that this is a lie, you are a dictatorship apologist. Ain that so nice...

That's not why people on here say it's a dictatorship...

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

He is clearly talking about North Korea invading other nations and that it helps the working class (as he stated directly in one of his posts). Of course, we know this is impossible for NK to do and is untrue. Along with the annoying and constant use of the words "lol" and "lmao" I think the person is trolling.

Perhaps someone should invent a sarcasm font for you.

I don't think the DPRK would be down for invading other countries to enrich themselves. They seem to have more solidarity for their fellow man than that.

Probably has something to do with this:

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[Fourth Internationalist]

Perhaps someone should invent a sarcasm font for you.

When most people miss sarcasm, they inform the person of that. You, on the other hand, went on to quote Lenin (who was quoting someone else) and said that he disagreed with the idea that imperialism harms the working class. Of course, that is a lie. Your sarcasm is not funny and is serving no purpose.


I don't think the DPRK would be down for invading other countries to enrich themselves. They would be actually if they had the power to do so.


They seem to have more solidarity for their fellow man than that.The totalitarian DPRK has no such solidarity with the oppressed people of Korea and of the rest of the world.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

You, on the other hand, went on to quote Lenin (who was quoting someone else) and said that he disagreed with the idea that imperialism harms the working class. Of course, that is a lie.Perhaps you should read it again. Slowly this time.


They would be actually if they had the power to do so.lol, if you say so.

http://s24.postimg.org/lhn2eykut/kim.jpg

[Fourth Internationalist]

lol, if you say so.

It's not just because I say so. The DPRK is not not invading other countries out of the goodness of their hearts but because they aren't able to. If they could do so and gain from it, they and any other capitalist country would.

[Fakeblock]

I don't think the DPRK would be down for invading other countries to enrich themselves. They seem to have more solidarity for their fellow man than that.

What makes you think that? Cause it doesn't seem like that to me at all.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

It's not just because I say so.

Oh, really? hehe

http://s24.postimg.org/lhn2eykut/kim.jpg

[Delenda Carthago]

You open a thread about CIA manipulating art to do anticommunism, it turns on a thread attacking USSR.

You open a thread about a lie that was spread around on internet like the plague, it turns on a group attack on the victims of the situation.



Is this still Revleft or..?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

Oh, really? hehe

http://s24.postimg.org/lhn2eykut/kim.jpg

Are you attempting to contribute anything to the forum, dear troll? Yeah, thought not. :rolleyes:

[La Guaneña]

CNNleft.com

Holy shit, guys.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Are you attempting to contribute anything to the forum, dear troll? Yeah, thought not. :rolleyes:

Oh? Would you prefer I also provide quotes from the book?

Here is a sample:



It is nearly a year now since Comrade Ernesto Che Guevara, an indomitable revolutionary soldier and a true internationalist fighter coming from the Latin-American people, died a heroic death on the Bolivian battlefield. In deep grief, and with burning hatred for the enemy, the Korean people join the revolutionary people throughout the world in commemorating the first anniversary of Comrade Che Guevara’s death.

Che Guevara followed the path of sacred battle to bring freedom and liberation to the people, holding aloft the banner of the anti-imperialist, anti-US struggle from early youth, and devoted his whole life to the revolutionary cause of the oppressed.

Ever since the curtain rose on the bloody history of the modern bourgeoisie replacing the medieval exploitation camouflaged by religious and political illusions by a naked, shameless, direct and cruel one and turning the dignity of man into a mere commodity, many communists and revolutionary fighters all over the world have shed their blood and laid down their lives in the long course of the revolutionary tempest which is sweeping away everything obsolete and corrupt and reorganizing the whole structure of society in a revolutionary way, crushing the ruling circles of that former, cursed society and laying the bases of a free and happy new society. Che Guevara dedicated his precious life to this sacred struggle and thus became an honourable member of the ranks of world revolutionary martyrs.

Che Guevara was an indefatigable revolutionary in battle and a true internationalist champion completely free of narrow nationalist sentiments. His whole life was a fine example of the steadfast revolutionary fighter and true internationalist.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

Some more:



Today, Asia, Africa and Latin America have become the most determined anti-imperialist front. Imperialism has met with the strong resistance of the Asian, African and Latin-American peoples and has suffered the heaviest blows from them. Nevertheless, imperialism is trying desperately to recover its former footing and to regain its lost positions in those areas.

The cause of liberation of Asians, Africans and Latin Americans has not yet been realised. So long as imperialism exists anywhere in the world and oppresses and plunders them, the people cannot stop their anti-imperialist struggle even for a moment. The struggle must continue until all shades of colonialism are wiped off the face of the earth once and for all; until all the oppressed and humiliated nations establish their independent states and achieve social progress and national prosperity.

Imperialism will never relinquish its domination over colonial and dependent countries without being kicked out. It is the nature of imperialism to commit aggression and plunder. Imperialism that was not aggressive would no longer be imperialism. It will not alter its aggressive nature before it dies. That is why one must dispel all illusions about imperialism and determine to fight it to the end.

Only when a principled stand is maintained against it and a staunch anti-imperialist struggle is intensified can the oppressed nations win freedom and independence; only then can the liberated peoples check imperialist aggression, consolidate national independence, and achieve prosperity for their countries and nations.

US imperialism is the most barbarous and heinous imperialism of modern times; it is the ringleader of world imperialism. It is not only the Asian or the Latin-American or the African countries which are having their sovereignty and territories violated by US imperialism, or which are being menaced by US imperialist aggression. There is no place on earth to which US imperialism has not stretched its tentacles of aggression, and wherever US imperialism sets foot, blood is spilled.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Oh, really? hehe

http://s24.postimg.org/lhn2eykut/kim.jpg

The most horrific governments, including our own governments, use lovely words to justify their existence while they commit horrible actions. They lie. It's not exactly hard to lie. Every state in history has done it. But, oh, because the Dear Leader (or Great Leader, whatever title they force the North Korean people to call them) used leftist rhetoric, everything is fine.

[Comrade Sun Wukong]

The most horrific governments, including our own governments

You mean these are two different categories in your mind? lmao!

Explains a lot.


use lovely words to justify their existence while they commit horrible actions.

No, I'd say Amerika leaders generally use pretty shitty words to justify their murderous genocidal campaigns.

[Fourth Internationalist]

You mean these are two different categories in your mind? lmao!

Explains a lot.

Horrific governments, which included in that are our own. Explain where I indicated our governments weren't horrible. Oh right, I didn't say that. Stop dancing around my point.



No, I'd say Amerika leaders generally use pretty shitty words to justify their murderous genocidal campaigns.You know what I mean. When they say "free market", I know that means capitalism. What I am talking about is when the Republicans and Democrats use the words "freedom" and "justice" and "security". Those are nice words, used to oppress the proletariat, incriminate minorities and whistle blowers, and invade in on our privacy. Don't just dance around my point.