Am I in the wrong according to leftism?

[MarcoTheBee]

When I was younger, around 17 (I'm 21 now) I began to become more interested in political theories and forms of governments. And it wass around this time that I became aware between the struggle between leftists, antifas squatters and the like against fascists, nationalists, racists and other assorted forms of right-wing extremism.

It was towards the end of 2010 when I first encountered Stormfront and I started visiting their website more and more often. It was so addicting... Not because I liked or agreed with what they said, but more along the lines of a terrible car accident, you dont want to see it but you can't look away because it's so extreme and gruesome. One of the things that really bummed me out was when they would mock the appearances of women of other races or deliberately post pictures of the most visually unappealing black, brown or east Asian women and then compare them to pictures of "Nordic Beauties". They claimed that all non-white men would much rather ruin the genes of superior white women than be with their own hideous women, hence their statement of "So that the beauty of the white Aryan woman may not vanish from the earth" Needless to say it really depressed me; I've met beautiful women of all races and colors (I should also say that I did not then, nor have I since had a white girlfriend) and they would say that the only reason that they would be considered beautiful is if they had more white facial features like thin noses or lighter skin. They would always talk about how they always saw non white men with white women at their side because "that's the kind of women they crave"
It's at this point where I realized that a lot of what they were saying was true, or at least it seemed that what I had observed had certainly proven their statements to a certain degree. Everywhere I went I would always see non white men with white women, and very rarely did I ever see white men with non white women (Indian women were a noticeable exception to this). They provided to news stories and websites where non white women where desperate to look more white, with skin bleach and eye surgery etc etc, and all of their beauty contests, they pick the most white looking woman!
And I felt kinda bummed, now before you call me a racist I'm not a racist, I'm not white, I am a mixed race male who has white features and I've been often mistaken for white, but I don't identify as a white man. I could careless if any person of any race wants to be with anyother person of any race BUT I just didn't want to play into their stereotype of a non white man who lusts after white women and parades around with one by their arm like some sort of trophy, and I also want to be able to appreciate the beauty of other race's women. So I pretty much made a pact with myself, that I would never date a white women and only date other mixed race women, NOT because I hate white women, I have several white women friends, but because I just wanted to able to appreciate other women.

So I guess what I'm asking, is me staying away from white women in terms of relationships against leftism?

[RedCeltic]

Let me start out by saying that RACE is a cultural construct and does not truly exist. We know now days due to examining DNA that a male and a female of the same race have more differences in their DNA than two people of the same gender of two different races. We also know that thousands of years ago we all came from the same small tribe in Africa.

To answer your question however, your personal preference in who you decide to date, marry, have children with, etc... have nothing to do with class struggle. Those of us who advocate abolishing capitalism realize that class warfare transcends race and nationality, we are workers all. This typically comes with the support of mixed marriages and same sex marriages... though does not issue a prerequisite for you to be part of such a relationship. (or like me, any at all.)

We advocate the working class rising up and seizing the means of production.

Stormfront however, is popular for racists and closet racists to post there fears and backwards thinking. There have, in the years since I began posting on this board... been dangerous people from there who have done some awful things in real life. However I am fairly confident that the vast majority are morons who don't believe half the stuff they post and are simply out to out racist each other. (though it has been years since I've even looked at that board.)

[BIXX]

While I don't think you should limit yourself from who you date based on skin tone or whatever (what if you end up loving a white person?) I wouldn't say you're wrong for making that decision, cause it's your decision. I'd just be worried about it leading to problems for you if you do end up loving a white person.

[Sea]

Of course there's a lot of pressure for women of all races to look white, whereas not quite so much for men. Female beauty standards in a white-dominated society are going to be, in the mainstream, white female beauty standards. Our society is also a patriarchal one, and it is largely women who are pushed to conform to such standards.

I do not doubt that this is directly related to the trend you have noticed, that in more mixed-ethnicity couples there is a non-white male rather than a non-white female. These things just boil down to statistics, and do not make you "wrong" according to "leftism".

It is also the case that African-Americans are generally more violent than white Americans. Why so? The vulgar analysis presented by your buddies at Stormfront would claim that this is by virtue of their "race". What is your view? How do you account for this? Do you have an answer?

To be perfectly frank, and I by no means mean this in an insulting way, you ought to take the time to read and educate yourself, and learn to analyze the world around you, using the methods of Marxism-Leninism, such that you can see these things more clearly yourself without having to rely on the muddled and mixed views of others. This is something that everyone who is serious about the topic, or any such topic, ought to do.

[Vireya]

You're thinking to hard about this OP, date whoever you find attractive.

If you keep up this line of thought you'll end up like the liberals and become so PC that you'll end up being racist anyway.

[liberlict]

When I was younger, around 17 (I'm 21 now) I began to become more interested in political theories and forms of governments. And it wass around this time that I became aware between the struggle between leftists, antifas squatters and the like against fascists, nationalists, racists and other assorted forms of right-wing extremism.

It was towards the end of 2010 when I first encountered Stormfront and I started visiting their website more and more often. It was so addicting... Not because I liked or agreed with what they said, but more along the lines of a terrible car accident, you dont want to see it but you can't look away because it's so extreme and gruesome. One of the things that really bummed me out was when they would mock the appearances of women of other races or deliberately post pictures of the most visually unappealing black, brown or east Asian women and then compare them to pictures of "Nordic Beauties". They claimed that all non-white men would much rather ruin the genes of superior white women than be with their own hideous women, hence their statement of "So that the beauty of the white Aryan woman may not vanish from the earth" Needless to say it really depressed me; I've met beautiful women of all races and colors (I should also say that I did not then, nor have I since had a white girlfriend) and they would say that the only reason that they would be considered beautiful is if they had more white facial features like thin noses or lighter skin. They would always talk about how they always saw non white men with white women at their side because "that's the kind of women they crave"
It's at this point where I realized that a lot of what they were saying was true, or at least it seemed that what I had observed had certainly proven their statements to a certain degree. Everywhere I went I would always see non white men with white women, and very rarely did I ever see white men with non white women (Indian women were a noticeable exception to this). They provided to news stories and websites where non white women where desperate to look more white, with skin bleach and eye surgery etc etc, and all of their beauty contests, they pick the most white looking woman!
And I felt kinda bummed, now before you call me a racist I'm not a racist, I'm not white, I am a mixed race male who has white features and I've been often mistaken for white, but I don't identify as a white man. I could careless if any person of any race wants to be with anyother person of any race BUT I just didn't want to play into their stereotype of a non white man who lusts after white women and parades around with one by their arm like some sort of trophy, and I also want to be able to appreciate the beauty of other race's women. So I pretty much made a pact with myself, that I would never date a white women and only date other mixed race women, NOT because I hate white women, I have several white women friends, but because I just wanted to able to appreciate other women.

So I guess what I'm asking, is me staying away from white women in terms of relationships against leftism?


Huh? This is a strange post. Anyway, leftists don't care about race or religion or really anything except class. They think that class conflicts are the driving force of history. How do you feel about your employer? Is he/she taking more from you than what you are worth? These sort of questions .. no revlefter gives a flying fuck if you wanna date a black/Chinese/Siberian girl. Either do liberals, actually, or most people apart from those morons youve been hanging out with on Stormfront. It's year 2013, you know---you are free to do whatever you like.

[Brosa Luxemburg]

You're thinking to hard about this OP, date whoever you find attractive.

If you keep up this line of thought you'll end up like the liberals and become so PC that you'll end up being racist anyway.

Not even gonna lie, i've absolutely hated (I think from what I remember) almost ever single post you have made so far, but you are spot on right with this one

[Quail]

Date whoever you like, but you shouldn't limit yourself by overthinking things out of a fear you might be racist. If you happen to find a white woman attractive, there's nothing wrong with that.

The beauty standards in Western society do hold "white bodies" as the ideal, both in colour and in shape. So it kind of makes sense for men having grown up in a culture which holds whiteness as a standard of beauty to have subconsciously absorbed that message.

[Jimmie Higgins]

First, I am doubtful of the annecdotal evidence, I think mostly because of social and geographical segregation most people probably marry/date within the same group generally. In the US white/black relationships are something like 2.1% white husbands and black wives and 2.3% black husbands and white wives; so not that different.

As far as pressure of non-white women to live up to a white ideal - there's no deneying that, but the white ideal is something white women starve themselves, dye their hair, and get surgury to obtain as well. This is a constructed sense of beauty, and the standards for women have changed a lot in short amounts of time - in places like India the effects of mass media have also made this basically American-made ideal into a world-wide one.

But this is something wholly different than what the white supremacists are implying. First, the constructed nature of ideas about beauty show any sort of genetic argument about "white beauty" to be complete pseudo-science. White beauty in the 1940s US is much different than the 1960s and that's different than today let alone what would have been considered beauty by white feudal aristocrats. Second, white society has also generally exoticized and fetishized women of other cultures and races. Third, rape of black slaves in the US by white slaveowners was so common that most black people in the US have some white ancestory in their family. This also shows the idea that only non-white men are attracted to people of other races is also not true.

What the white supremacists are implying is a old racist myth from reconstruction on: that black men (and other groups from time to time as well) need to be controlled by society in order to protect white women from rape. It's inherently racist and sexist, so you can't fault them for not being able to multi-task. It's also complete bunk and an excuse for supporting oppression and terrorism of non-whites.

[Rafiq]

I think the biggest nail in the coffin for racists regards (the necessity for) genetic diversity firstly,

And secondly, that we're all mixed, somehow.

[BAMslam15]

OP, date whoever you fall in love with! And please stay away from Stormfail lol it's a cesspool over there, claiming they're not racist and whatnot. So whether that girl you like is black and at the coffeeshop or white and doing laundry next to you, go for it and talk to them, disregard their race and see them as a potential date :)

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I would not limit myself to dating based on race. You should just be conscious of the cultural norms around us and try not to fall into that trap. But if you find a white woman you find attractive I don't see what's stopping you, who really gives a fuck about what the people at Stormfront have to say about interracial dating? That's literally the last people on Earth I'd talk to about dating, women are only there to pump out white babies and care for the house according to the idiots on that website.