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Sasha
1st September 2013, 21:20
Even though modern fiction loves to portray the Nazi party as all occultist pagans fact is that the full leadership, including Hitler himself where practising Christians.
Now I know that traditional "christian" anti-Semitism in all their bigotry didn't deny the Jewish birth of Jezus and the direct lineage from the old testamentian Jewish kings to Jezus.
Now when "modern" anti-Semitism became deeply entwined with racialism this surely must have become a problem?
I know that current racist anti-semite religions like Christian identity just made up incredible revisions that would even put the Mormons to shame but how did the Nazis reconcile these concepts?

Sasha
1st September 2013, 21:24
Interesting, found this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Christen

Richard Nixon
2nd September 2013, 03:44
Hitler wasn't really a practising Christian even if he was born Catholic-from what info there is Hitler seems to have used religion mostly as a political tool.

As for the question there's usually a couple of Nazi viewpoints:

-Nazi disliked Talmudic Judaism and actually tolerated Jews who only regarded the Old Testament as binding (the Karaites).

-Some Nazis also believed that most present day Jews descended from the Khazars who converted to Judaism and as a result were genetically unrelated to the Jews of the Biblical era.

Rafiq
2nd September 2013, 04:46
Nixon is somewhat correct. Officially the Nazis did not oppose the "Semitic race", they simply opposed the cosmopolitan Jewry that they considered impure, mixed, and culturally heterogeneous. On a side note, this may have more to do with their attempts at gaining support of the arab world, which proved largely successful.

The Nazis did not consider the Jews as constituting of their own race, instead they considered them people of no real race who have no home, who "infiltrate" the cultures of others. German fascists encouraged separate national and racial identities accordingly, it is ridiculous to think they strove to wipe out all non Germans. HOWEVER the Nazis did consider the "Aryan" race to be a master race that is destined to rule the earth blah blah blah. They're encouragement of independent national identities was a result of the fact that it would prove difficult garnering support anywhere outside of Germany for their war effort, especially economically and strategically vital places like the middle east as well as strategically useful allies in the far east.

The Nazis were neopagans and forerunners to new age ideology, they rejected the radical logic of Christianity (that is present in all forms of western thought, including atheism) which they deemed alien to aryan civilization, if anything they signified the reactionary nature of neopaganism. Of course they were pro clerical and valued the conservative nature of the catholic church and Christianity in general in retaining the family structure, no doubt. To be honest especially with regard to unscientific (and I don't just mean pseudo scientific, I mean a completely incoherent and eclectic form of thought) declarations with regard to race, Nazi ideology is not very complex or interesting, it's relatively mediocre. What is interesting is the tendency of fascism in general which was not unique to Germany as it signifies developments in the capitalist mode of production while Nazi ideology is just baseless rhetoric.

Os Cangaceiros
2nd September 2013, 07:36
The full leadership were practicing Christians? I think calling Himmler a "practicing Christian" is kind of stretching it.

Anyway, from what I know of the subject, Hitler and the Nazis basically wanted to make organized religion in Germany just another extension of the state. Think Russian Orthodoxism in Russia only even more fucked up.

Volcanicity
2nd September 2013, 07:47
Even though modern fiction loves to portray the Nazi party as all occultist pagans fact is that the full leadership, including Hitler himself where practising Christians.

Heinrich Himmler broke away from Christianity in his early twenties,and I would say the Bhagavad-gita had more of an influence on his life than the Bible. I read he used to carry a copy around with him.

Himmler also organised members of his SS to marry in Paganistic ceremonies completely devoid of any Christian influence.