Che would hate this Web 'Community'

[ernestolynch]

Why not rename these boards the 'Clinton-Lives' or the 'JFK-Lives' as it seems if you have the same political views as Ernesto 'Che' Guevara de la Serna you are confined to the 'Restricted Members' category like a 'political enemy' in Camp X-Ray.

Why is this 'Community' called Che-Lives?

Che defended to his dying breath the ideals of Lenin, Stalin and Mao. Because some idiotic Liberal who in two years will graduate from university and become a banker doesn't like my anti-bourgeoise rhetoric, I get restricted into 'Opposing Ideologies' - a place for, and I quote, 'Nazis, 'Cappies' (whatever the hell they are), Fascists, Communists, Guevarists and Socialists'.

So all the other forums are for Liberals, Greens, Hand-Wringers and fucking Buddhists?

Why didn't you put that in the FAQ?

[Ian]

What the hell? Why are you restricted? Seems like you've been singled out to me.

[Deniz Gezmis]

I remember once you said 'You talk like you were Che's buddy' or something similar. This now applies to you.

[ernestolynch]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 11:14 PM
I remember once you said 'You talk like you were Che's buddy' or something similar. This now applies to you.
Meaning?

You've a better memory than me, pal, have you been saving my posts? I'm flattered.

This site seems to me to be like the 'SWP' in England - a training ground for Liberal-Democrats who think that smoking a bit of pot and wearing a Che t-shirt is radical.

How dare they sully the good name of a real Communist Revolutionary, the fecks.

[Hampton]

Clearly a Trotskyite conspiracy.

http://www.artistdirect.com/Images/Sources/AMGCOVERS/music/cover200/drf100/f113/f11367wcch3.jpg

[ernestolynch]

You taking the piss, Liberal?

[ernestolynch]

Obviously is.

'Twould be like a Republican Party member walking around with a Martin Luther King t-shirt/avatar, proclaiming about how much the 'Reps' did for the 'blacks' in 1861....

[Bolshevika]

Comrade Ernesto Lynch, Comrade Ceausescu, me, even the revisionist Zeke!

Talk about hypocrisy. "Boo hoo woo hoo Stalin purged members of the Communist party in Russia", then you do this and put us in the same grouping as Right-wing capitalists and fascists.

*Warning authentic Communists, take out all negative reference to Leon Trotsky in your signatures!*-A concerned citizen

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I spit in the face of the fascists who did this.

[ernestolynch]

Stalin didn't purge anyone - the Communist Party members of the USSR did - they purged the party of Fascist-conspirateurs, saboteurs, wreckers and various other stinking carrion.

If they hadn't, the Fascist hordes would have murdered or enslaved over 100 million people.

This is a purge in reverse - getting rid of the Leftists to allow the Angry Liberals free rein to spout Trotskyite nonsense while they are at University. I saw through them when I was at college and I see through them now.

[Bolshevika]

Man Ernesto, I feel sorry for you, the UK is the main breeding ground of Trotskyists.

[ernestolynch]

You're not wrong there - the place is full of them!

Mind you - most Trots are in University, and 99% of them are middle-class. They usually go through 9 months of Trotskyism before becoming either Tories or Liberals. I think it is a form of teen rebellion against having to tidy their bedrooms, a bit like Anarchids...

Trots played NO part in the defeat of Fascism in Britain - they boycotted the Battle of Cable Street and currently engage in a campaign of alignment with Right-Wing Muslim Fundamentalists.

Anyway - I always said, 'Scratch a Trot, Get a Liberal, Scratch a Liberal, Get a Fascist...' - they are ALL just varying degrees of Middle-Class anger and disillusionment - nothing to do with class war at all.

[Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell]

I disagree with this. This member does not spam. Why are we restricting our comrades??? This is intellectual suicide.

how is a house to stand if it is divided amongst itself

[ernestolynch]

Thank you comrade - I believe that this is a rich-kid conspiracy against working-class members, so that they can dilute the message of Che.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 06:33 PM
'Twould be like a Republican Party member walking around with a Martin Luther King t-shirt/avatar, proclaiming about how much the 'Reps' did for the 'blacks' in 1861....
I suppose if they were talking about Thaddeus Stevens or Benjamin Wade it would be alright

[ernestolynch]

I shall add at this point that I am not from the USA, I am from a country colonised and exploited by the Anglo-Americans, but my political knowledge of the place extends to this:


We see the necessity of making some alliances with the working class, black, white, Latin American, Orientals, and or what have you. We see that as being a very grave necessity that the revolution as a whole is dependent upon making a coalition with the other working class people. Panthers themselves are workers, it is just that we consider ourselves the most advanced detachment of the working class. Because of the theoretical analysis and because we have applied theoretically the ideas and works of Marx and Lenin and we have tested them in the external world, which proves that there is a need for the masses of the people, and a need for solidarity of the working class. Our whole thing about discovering the triumvirate consisting of Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. It is just a matter of trying to give a very complete picture of history. It's like considering the part without the whole to talk about Lenin and Marx, to talk about Mao Tse Tung and his deed without really bringing Stalin in on the overall historical scene. Stalin played a very important part in the Russian revolution and he played an important part in the first Socialist State manifested in Russia.

It is not a thing that we are Maoist or Stalinist, Leninist. We say that there is no such animal as a Maoist --- that there is just Marxist, Leninist, and that Stalin was truly a Marxist-Leninist. He always praised Lenin and carried out the ideas of Lenin. It's just a matter of people and history in its totality and telling the true story of what took place.

The reason that they fear Joseph Stalin is because of the distorted facts that they have gained through the Western press.

The one thing that we respect about Stalin, is that Stalin was able to capture the will of the people. He was able to put forth the will of the people more so than anyone else.



David Hilliard, Black Panther Party for Self-Defence, 1968


I don't recall any Black Panthers aligning themselves, like you do, with Trotskyism.

[Jesus Christ]

http://www.fair.org/extra/9411/rush-cry.gif
i shed a tear for you

[Andrei Kuznetsov]

They actually BANNED you guys from every other forum but this one? What the heck? None of you guys are trolls, or spammers, or anything like that. You have all been active contributors to the many debates and topics on this message board. No matter your ideology, as long as you are contributing constructive and helpful discussion, I don't see why you should be banned.

A political message board should be a place for intense discussion, with many different viewpoints and many different beliefs talking and debating. Critical thinking and civil debate should be the key points to uphold; we shouldn't be censoring people simply because we disagree with us! People's opinions and words are important in the learning process- let's learn for each other.

I say lift the ban on these guys- stop stifling debate!

[Penguin Chariot Archer from Hell]

Exactly. This is complete stupidity. I am both shocked and annoyed. I am surprised I wasn't restricted myself. Lift this pointless restriction. If we are to restrict these, why don't we restrict all trotskyists, anarchists, and anyone else who doesn't get everything directly from the manifesto or Che's mouth?

[Trotskyism or Death]

I have lurked here for many a month and this is my first post and I would like to say 'Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish!', for I am tired of such oiks posting Stalinist rubbish on these boards. Well done to the moderators!

[Ortega]

I'm not supporting your restrictions, especially not yours Bolshevika. But I guess technically, it can and should be done.


Opposing Ideologies
Only forum where right-wingers, cappies, stalinists and other misguided individuals are allowed to post. *No Nazi trash*

... :unsure:

[Pete]

I think things like the following are probaly the main reason.


some idiotic Liberal


all the other forums are for Liberals, Greens, Hand-Wringers and fucking Buddhists (I take particular offense of your ignorance of what a green actually is, and your lack of knowledge of buddhists displayed in your use of it here)


You taking the piss, Liberal


getting rid of the Leftists to allow the Angry Liberals free rein to spout Trotskyite nonsense


teen rebellion against having to tidy their bedrooms, a bit like Anarchids...


'Scratch a Trot, Get a Liberal, Scratch a Liberal, Get a Fascist...' - they are ALL just varying degrees of Middle-Class anger and disillusionment - nothing to do with class war at all.


rich-kid conspiracy against working-class members

All from this thread, all inane stereotypes, all have no positive effect on debate.

I can't honestly say why you where caged, but that is my educated guess.

-Pete

[Trotskyism or Death]

Quite right! Damn those evil bastards! We all know that Che was just going through a phase - he really was a Trotskyist.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 06:45 PM
I spit in the face of the fascists who did this.
And you want to be unrestricted? <_<

[Trotskyism or Death]

Hey I&#39;m attracted to Buddhism too&#33;

[Pete]

Religion is idiotic. But with that said, as many many people adhere to it one should atleast attmept to have an understanding of it. The labels used in the quoted post were obviously ignorant, or else it would not have came up.

THis thread is closed, take it up in PM with the admins.

[Hampton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:16 PM
I don&#39;t recall any Black Panthers aligning themselves, like you do, with Trotskyism.
David Hilliard has nothing to do with this except for the fact that I have a Panthers as my avatar and you&#39;re trying to convince me that they read up on Stalin, something that I&#39;m already aware of. David Hilliard has also said that Huey read Isaac Deutcher&#39;s anti-Stalinist biography of Trotsky, does that mean he was a "trot"? There were also Trotsky fans in the Peace and Freedom Party which used Eldridge Cleaver as their Presidental canidate in 1968 who also has a link to the "Trotsky Project" on their website. Does it mean anything?

It means nothing, stop trying to pigeon hole them into a single ideology.

Now, back to the bickering.