the economist explains: why are sales of non-alcoholic beer booming?

[bcbm]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2013/08/economist-explains-3

[RedBen]

i don't see the point of non-alcoholic beer. blasphemy!

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Because I like the taste and I don't like alcohol (it makes my arse feel wet like I have diarrhoea or something!). So there, that's why I like non-alcoholic beer. Fuck off drunks.

[bcbm]

sobriety is a disease

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Life & consciousness is the worst disease of all.

[Decolonize The Left]

Beer sucks; drink bourbon and gin.

[RedBen]

Because I like the taste and I don't like alcohol (it makes my arse feel wet like I have diarrhoea or something!). So there, that's why I like non-alcoholic beer. Fuck off drunks.
in the words of jim jefferies "noone gives a shit that you've been promoted at work and noone gives a fuck that your kids don't have bruises"

[Consistent.Surprise]

Beer sucks; drink bourbon and gin.

What about beer with bourbon in it?

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

in the words of jim jefferies "noone gives a shit that you've been promoted at work and noone gives a fuck that your kids don't have bruises"

Nor does anyone give a shit that you think non-alcoholic beer is blasphemy, so shove it up your fucking arse.

[RedBen]

so shove it up your fucking arse.
don't swing that personally, someone took that awful personal:tt2:

[RedBen]

What about beer with bourbon in it?
for the purpose of not using certain words on this board, my personal favorite drink is guinness and a shot of jameson in a glass, drop in a shot of bailey's and slam. beer and bourbon could work with the right pairing

[Consistent.Surprise]

for the purpose of not using certain words on this board, my personal favorite drink is guinness and a shot of jameson in a glass, drop in a shot of bailey's and slam. beer and bourbon could work with the right pairing

ICBs make me a little ill after the third.

I'm referring to beers brewed with bourbon (Founders Dirty Bastard, Backwoods Bastard).

[RedBen]

ICBs make me a little ill after the third.

I'm referring to beers brewed with bourbon (Founders Dirty Bastard, Backwoods Bastard).
never heard of those... gotta check them out. also i been dying to try tactical nuclear penguin. costs too much though. sam adams 13th hour and 3 floyds moloko milk stouts are amazing

[Consistent.Surprise]

never heard of those... gotta check them out. also i been dying to try tactical nuclear penguin. costs too much though. sam adams 13th hour and 3 floyds moloko milk stouts are amazing

To return to original topic: would we still drink these if they weren't alcohol? I say yes. I could drink more of them. Dirty Bastard is a 3 bottle limit but so tasty I don't think about stopping. Also, my grandpa loved non-alcoholic beer because he liked the taste but was an alcoholic, so this gave him some enjoyment without being a nasty drunk. My grandma likes it but she hates the feeling of being drunk, so it suits her needs.

Edit: frakking phone autocorrect bullshit making smart people look stupid since its frakked up invention most likely Bill Gates creation.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

It's because according to the bottle, Erdinger Alkoholfrei is an isotonic sports drink, full of vitamins!

I've drunk non-alcoholic beer when I've been driving or long-distance cycling (not always when it comes to the latter I'll admit) but I'll usually take the full-fat version. Besides, as an ale drinker there's usually not a non-alcoholic option. In any case, i do actually like alcohol both as a flavour/sensation and for what it does to me.

[Consistent.Surprise]

It's because according to the bottle, Erdinger Alkoholfrei is an isotonic sports drink, full of vitamins!

I just looked it up. "Recovery drink". I'm thinking this should be sold by college campus' in the States! I had to snicker. Does it taste any good?

[Ele'ill]

drink a bottle of bourbon and a six pack of Rainier for recovery

[bcbm]

recovery?

[RedBen]

recovery?
yes recovery, because sometimes you just have too much blood in your alcohol stream:D

[Consistent.Surprise]

drink a bottle of bourbon and a six pack of Rainier for recovery

What bourbon? I've always been a whiskey gal. Had to suffice with a few Atwater Dirty Blondes tonight (why the frak do I like beers that use the word Dirty?! WTF? Subliminal something)

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I've been really in to sweet malt beverages and kvass. Good kvass is hard to find, though. I'm in the same situation as Consistent.Surprise's grandfather. I don't miss Faxe 10 or Old E, but having a nice beer once in a while (minus the boozecahol content) would be nice.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I just looked it up. "Recovery drink". I'm thinking this should be sold by college campus' in the States! I had to snicker. Does it taste any good?

It more or less tastes like slightly wish-washy Erdinger, so yeah, I guess. Assuming you like weissbier, at any rate

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Since alcohol has a flavour of it's own that contributes to the overall flavour of a beverage even in small amounts, how can one remove the alcohol from beer without changing that?

I've not had non-alcoholic beer, but I've had malted barley drinks and they taste noticeably different. They lack that "bite" that even mild (3-4% ABV) beers have.

[svenne]

Most non-alcoholic beers taste like crap, but if you found one which tastes a bit like beer (i think Carlsbergs tastes a bit like Carlsbergs with alcohol, which propably just means that Carlsberg isn't that good of a beer) it can be pretty good with meat and potatoes. It's good for us people whom gets hungover for two days after every beerdrinking event.

[Rafiq]

Beer sucks; drink bourbon and gin.

I quite like brandy the most though.

[Ele'ill]

recovery?

in order to drink more sometimes you have to recover by drinking more


What bourbon?

old crow, I can't find anything cheaper

[Consistent.Surprise]

in order to drink more sometimes you have to recover by drinking more

A real hangover is nothing to try out family remedies on. The only cure for a real hangover is death.
Robert Benchley

But I agree. More alcohol is the best way to get out from under a hangover

[Ocean Seal]

The shitty taste of beer
-
the alcohol which eventually makes it such that you don't taste it
=
Profit
???

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

A real hangover is nothing to try out family remedies on. The only cure for a real hangover is death.
Robert Benchley


Pretty much agree with this sentiment. The closest thing for a hangover cure I can think of is a nice fried breakfast. Bacon and eggs, hashbrowns, etc.

But that's only if you can manage to drag yourself out of the house to the local diner. Because nobody is going to cook it themselves.

[Ele'ill]

next up, non-alcoholic steel reserve

[bcbm]

i got it, i got it: gelding 45

[Ele'ill]

I don't understand

[bcbm]

colt 45.

colt is a young male horse.

gelding is a neutered horse.

gelding 45

[RedBen]

colt 45.

colt is a young male horse.

gelding is a neutered horse.

gelding 45
had a twelver of colt 45 tall cans last night:D
"tall cans in the air, let me see em"

[Ele'ill]

oh that is clever, colt 45 is horrible and almost nonalcoholic as it is.

[Consistent.Surprise]

Current: Magic Hat's Heart of Darkness. Yummy stout. Can't imagine it without alcohol.

[Skyhilist]

My father drinks it. I don't like the taste. For him, he used to drink regular beer. He can't afford to now because he had a tear in his esophagus and doesn't want it to happen again, so he has to be safe with what he drinks. I honestly don't see the point though personally of "drinking beer for the taste", because it tastes horrible to me.

[The Douche]

When I was in Iraq one of my buddies drank about 30 non-alcoholic beers to see if he would get a buzz.

He threw up. Not cause he was drunk. Cause he wasn't.

[Ele'ill]

non thc weed, for a high-free smoking experience

[bcbm]

oh that is clever, colt 45 is horrible and almost nonalcoholic as it is.

yeah i prefer olde e or mickeys

[Ele'ill]

I don't think mickey's is that strong and when I drink malt liquor I am drinking it for the alcohol content only hoping to black out before the oily wretchedness of it catches me. I usually do old english or steel reserve but I'd rather spend a bit more on a bottle of liquor. Of course this is all hilarious because if you remember I am not even supposed to be drinking/drugs I am supposed to be working out and eating healthy. Just like my 'photo album cooking pictures' idea from several years ago or whenever the thread lasted like two days and I never looked at it again because in order to take good photographs of food that you have cooked you have to have a nice camera a step that I missed.


I will spend $$ on craft pumpkin beers though. I am too ashamed to even mention how much I will drop on really good beers like that.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I honestly dread to think how much I've spent on real ale and craft beer tbh

[RedBen]

yeah i prefer olde e or mickeys
i usually drink king cobra myself. 6% alcohol, $2.25 40 ounces and $3.19 six packs. my friends and i used to buy distributor cases of 22 ounce old e(15 count) from a local liquor store. i sometimes get big bear or magnum's... only know 2 people alive who know big bear 40's or axehead or camo black ice... big bear is like magnum, axe head and camo black ice are 11 percent alcohol malt beers worse than steel reserve any day, then there is the time we stumbled across an abandoned storage spot next to a corner store filled with cases of old beer. MX (motherfuckin extreme) is no joke... especially when old and sitting.... :: puke::

[PC LOAD LETTER]

I don't think mickey's is that strong and when I drink malt liquor I am drinking it for the alcohol content only hoping to black out before the oily wretchedness of it catches me. I usually do old english or steel reserve but I'd rather spend a bit more on a bottle of liquor. Of course this is all hilarious because if you remember I am not even supposed to be drinking/drugs I am supposed to be working out and eating healthy. Just like my 'photo album cooking pictures' idea from several years ago or whenever the thread lasted like two days and I never looked at it again because in order to take good photographs of food that you have cooked you have to have a nice camera a step that I missed.


I will spend $$ on craft pumpkin beers though. I am too ashamed to even mention how much I will drop on really good beers like that.
steel reserve 211 black label ... dat battery acid


with some md20/20 on the side ... it's like fruit punch from hell

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I'm lucky enough to have been in a pub where they had an 11% barleywine on draught specially for new years <3 Think it was Abbeydale Last Rites

[Ele'ill]

I'm lucky enough to have been in a pub where they had an 11% barleywine on draught specially for new years <3 Think it was Abbeydale Last Rites

I drank way too many of these one night. Never ever again and I haven't.

http://drinkingmadeeasy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/DSC03440.jpg

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

See, I always say that and then a few weeks later I see another nuclear bomb in beer form and get curious :rolleyes:

Luckily the best beer shops around here are in Beverly, York or Lincoln- a 10, 50 and 60 mile bike ride away respectively, so at least I get excercise.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I used to be a big fan of buying three cans of FAXE 10%, and using them instead of water to mix up lemonade concentrate. It's actually pretty good, at least compared to FAXE 10%.

[Workers-Control-Over-Prod]

Either drink alcohol or water. Everything in between is not worth the calories and trouble.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Beer to me tastes like moldy bread soda. There is literally no reason to drink it other than to get drunk/intoxicated. So I don't see the point in non-alcoholic beer.

[A Revolutionary Tool]

I drank a non-alcoholic beer one time on accident. Biggest waste of space in my belly ever. I'll drink beer if I have to but it tastes like piss.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Beer to me tastes like moldy bread soda. There is literally no reason to drink it other than to get drunk/intoxicated. So I don't see the point in non-alcoholic beer.

If you want moldy bread soda, you're lookng for kvass. I recommend it.

[Rafiq]

Anyone here a fan of cider?

[PC LOAD LETTER]

Anyone here a fan of cider?
yes but the heartburn my god

[o well this is ok I guess]

Anyone here a fan of cider? Cider is just not a thing in Canada. There's like a total of 3 brands, and strongbow is the only one that can be consistently found in liquor stores.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I like a good cider, especially on warm days. I've even made it a few times (not like getting a load of apples to ferment is exactly hard work.)

[Ele'ill]

I don't like cider. It gives me a gag reflex.

I do like Lambic though. And actually I can probably handle cider with a higher alcohol percentage the same say I enjoy wild ales with a higher alcohol percentage.

[bcbm]

cider seems to be making a big comeback in the states lately, or at least around here. i know even in tiny neighborhood liquor stores there are usually several kinds. i really like crispin.

[Rafiq]

cider seems to be making a big comeback in the states lately, or at least around here. i know even in tiny neighborhood liquor stores there are usually several kinds. i really like crispin.

I'm waiting for autumn to come around and then I'll buy a shit ton of it. I dunno, irony or something.

[Ele'ill]

the fred meyers here just updated their cider section and I ignore it mostly because fuck sour apple

[Rugged Collectivist]

Beer to me tastes like moldy bread soda. There is literally no reason to drink it other than to get drunk/intoxicated. So I don't see the point in non-alcoholic beer.

Exactly, and it's not even good at getting you intoxicated. I just do shots of vodka. It tastes a little better (and it tastes like fucking rubbing alcohol) and you don't have to drink nearly as much.

[synthesis]

A real hangover is nothing to try out family remedies on. The only cure for a real hangover is death.
Robert Benchley

But I agree. More alcohol is the best way to get out from under a hangover

Kind of late to the party here, and I might be taking this too literally, but the greatest discovery I have come across in my lifetime of alcohol use is that drinking a glass of water between every beer, glass, or shot will completely prevent you from having any kind of hangover whatsoever. It's been proven that there's no such thing as a hangover cure, only hangover prevention. (Of course, drinking more is a "cure" in the same way that Vicodin is a "cure" for a broken leg.)

[bcbm]

Exactly, and it's not even good at getting you intoxicated. I just do shots of vodka. It tastes a little better (and it tastes like fucking rubbing alcohol) and you don't have to drink nearly as much.

beer tastes quite a bit better than rubbing alcohol.

Kind of late to the party here, and I might be taking this too literally, but the greatest discovery I have come across in my lifetime of alcohol use is that drinking a glass of water between every beer, glass, or shot will completely prevent you from having any kind of hangover whatsoever. It's been proven that there's no such thing as a hangover cure, only hangover prevention. (Of course, drinking more is a "cure" in the same way that Vicodin is a "cure" for a broken leg.)

according to science (aka an anti drinking vhs tape from the 80s i have) the best thing to do is eat snacks while drinking but drinking water doesnt hurt

[o well this is ok I guess]

Kind of late to the party here, and I might be taking this too literally, but the greatest discovery I have come across in my lifetime of alcohol use is that drinking a glass of water between every beer, glass, or shot will completely prevent you from having any kind of hangover whatsoever. It's been proven that there's no such thing as a hangover cure, only hangover prevention. (Of course, drinking more is a "cure" in the same way that Vicodin is a "cure" for a broken leg.) Why not just down the beer and then down the equivalent dose in water later
Drinking for taste is cool and all, but in the final analysis drinking is to get drunk
taking water inbetween drinks means getting slightly tipsy and that's it

[Sea]

Listening to the red army choir while drinking cures all problems of life.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

Why not just down the beer and then down the equivalent dose in water later
Drinking for taste is cool and all, but in the final analysis drinking is to get drunk
taking water inbetween drinks means getting slightly tipsy and that's it
I usually have a pint of water before I go to bed and put another pint on my table. I've rarely had bad hangovers if I've done this. Didn't make a blind bit of difference to the worst hangover I ever had though :rolleyes: Three days of misery.

[Consistent.Surprise]

Drinking for taste is cool and all, but in the final analysis drinking is to get drunk

I disagree. I want to drink something tasty. If its alcoholic, I don't consume it to get drunk but for the taste. If the goal was to get drunk, there would be a high alcohol content crap tasting beer that ruled the market. I want the flavor of porters, stouts, & ales. I drink whiskey but only 2 kinds, because I like how they taste. It might be snobby sounding (connoisseur like) but even when on a budget, I'm picky & if I cannot afford the tasty drink I enjoy, I don't drink (yes, a tall Budweiser or even a labatt's is ok in a pinch). I was raised to enjoy flavor over effect. I've honed that over 17 years

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I don't get the hating on the taste of beer. I find the bitterness refreshing, like the bitter taste of coffee can be. The tastes can be more complex, however; for example, the nature and degree of the foamy head has an effect on the flavour because the increased surface area, also releasing aromas when the bubbles burst.

Most beers are are made from wheat and/or barley, but I had a rather nice banana beer once.

Of course, I enjoy the alcoholic content, but lately these days I prefer to get lightly sozzled on decent quality stuff rather than utterly smashed on cheaper stuff.

[synthesis]

If the goal was to get drunk, there would be a high alcohol content crap tasting beer that ruled the market.

http://media.americanfood4u.de/jpg800/10000398_1.jpg

As for the hangover thing, I've been told (mostly in the context of someone going on and on about drinking water, like me right now) that hangovers are just a really extreme form of dehydration. I'm way too lazy to look that up, but I find that drinking water in between each round really does help, at least if you're going hard that night.

[Consistent.Surprise]

http://media.americanfood4u.de/jpg800/10000398_1.jpg

As for the hangover thing, I've been told (mostly in the context of someone going on and on about drinking water, like me right now) that hangovers are just a really extreme form of dehydration. I'm way too lazy to look that up, but I find that drinking water in between each round really does help, at least if you're going hard that night.

It doesn't rule the market. At least not here.

Yup, dehydration. Why one gets the runs as well. Gatorade has always been my saving. Have an ex who swears by tomato juice. I'll take the tomato juice in the form of a great Bloody Mary

[Ele'ill]

I drank two 40's of steel reserve last night and then started drinking more and then I woke up in the bathroom.

[o well this is ok I guess]

I disagree. I want to drink something tasty. If its alcoholic, I don't consume it to get drunk but for the taste. If the goal was to get drunk, there would be a high alcohol content crap tasting beer that ruled the market. I want the flavor of porters, stouts, & ales. I drink whiskey but only 2 kinds, because I like how they taste. It might be snobby sounding (connoisseur like) but even when on a budget, I'm picky & if I cannot afford the tasty drink I enjoy, I don't drink (yes, a tall Budweiser or even a labatt's is ok in a pinch). I was raised to enjoy flavor over effect. I've honed that over 17 years A lot of porters and stouts (at least around here) average 8% ABV.
I wasn't saying that taste was not a factor whatsoever, but that even if you're drinking a $20 six pack of craft brews the point isn't to have two and call it a night.

[Consistent.Surprise]

A lot of porters and stouts (at least around here) average 8% ABV.
I wasn't saying that taste was not a factor whatsoever, but that even if you're drinking a $20 six pack of craft brews the point isn't to have two and call it a night.

But sometimes it is. I think it depends on circumstances. For me, at least.

[bcbm]

I drank two 40's of steel reserve last night and then started drinking more and then I woke up in the bathroom.

dont do that:(

[Ele'ill]

I had consumed top ramen with vegan cheese which I already have an aversion towards specifically due to memories of drinking too much and then eating it and well yeah that happened again. I mean I think it happened again who knows what actually happened in that bathroom that night I just woke up feeling like I'd been jumped with that slight hint of good exhaustion feeling that you get when you start to feel better from being sick. Very vague memories of waking up with the spins somewhere dark. Probably won't do any of this again ever (:rolleyes:)