Real Class Relations

[Remus Bleys]

I hear a lot about x percentage own x percantage of the wealth.
What about with the means of production?
Is there any references that shows the percentage of wage lumpen vs proletariat vs petty bourgeoisie vs bourgeoisie?
And the mobility between the classes and sub classes?
Like how man PB became Bourgeois, how many lumpen become proletariat, how many proletariat become Bourgeois, etc?

I would like a global map, but I am an American, so that would be appreciated for one exclusively in america.

[RedMaterialist]

[QUOTE=Remus Bleys;2653768]I hear a lot about x percentage own x percantage of the wealth.
What about with the means of production?

Microsoft controls about 85% of the world computer operating systems market. Five banks (Chase, Wells Fargo, etc.) control about 60% of the U.S. banking market. Wal-Mart, Target and JC Penny own about 50% or more of the retail food and clothing market. Then there is auto production, U.S. weapon industry, oil and gas...Probably less than a 100 corporations own almost all of the production in the U.S. Small companies only exist to supply and purchase from the big companies.


Is there any references that shows the percentage of wage lumpen vs proletariat vs petty bourgeoisie vs bourgeoisie?


You could look up the statistics at the BEA web site.


And the mobility between the classes and sub classes?
Like how man PB became Bourgeois, how many lumpen become proletariat, how many proletariat become Bourgeois, etc?


I think it is mainly a question of how many bourgeois have fallen into the petit bourgeois and then into the working class. As Marx said, the population is becoming more and more divided into two classes: a few gigantic capitalists and everybody else working class or, now, consumers.
You might try googling "class in the u.s." as a start

[Remus Bleys]

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Microsoft controls about 85% of the world computer operating systems market. Five banks (Chase, Wells Fargo, etc.) control about 60% of the U.S. banking market. Wal-Mart, Target and JC Penny own about 50% or more of the retail food and clothing market. Then there is auto production, U.S. weapon industry, oil and gas...Probably less than a 100 corporations own almost all of the production in the U.S. Small companies only exist to supply and purchase from the big companies.



You could look up the statistics at the BEA web site.



I think it is mainly a question of how many bourgeois have fallen into the petit bourgeois and then into the working class. As Marx said, the population is becoming more and more divided into two classes: a few gigantic capitalists and everybody else working class or, now, consumers.
You might try googling "class in the u.s." as a start This is all fine and lovely, but the BEA and most google results are for the Bourgeoisie view of class relations (income based) and not the socialist one (ownership of the means of production)

I was asking for info on the socialist one.

[RedMaterialist]

[QUOTE=redshifted;2653786] This is all fine and lovely, but the BEA and most google results are for the Bourgeoisie view of class relations (income based) and not the socialist one (ownership of the means of production)

I was asking for info on the socialist one.

Your comment reminded me of this quote from Marx

"We have proceeded from the premises of political economy. We have accepted its language and its laws. We presupposed private property, the separation of labor, capital and land, and of wages, profit of capital and rent of land – likewise division of labor, competition, the concept of exchange value, etc. On the basis of political economy itself, in its own words, we have shown that the worker sinks to the level of a commodity and becomes indeed the most wretched of commodities..." The Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts.

To understand and attack bourgeois society you have to proceed from its premises and accept its language and its laws. You have to begin a class analysis by using its language and its statistics.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It's difficult, because relationship to the MoP, at an individual level, can be fluid both in the medium-term and over the course of one's lifetime. Someone born into a working family can sometimes rise to become petty bourgeois or even bourgeois, and vice versa. People can, moreover, dip in and out of different kinds of employment, move between managerial and labouring roles etc.

I would think a statistical analysis would be extremely difficult, in terms of reliably and accurately representing specific percentages, or portions, or groups, of the population that have a certain relationship to the MoP.