Anyone else thinks this is unfair??

[el_profe]

IL judge to dad: pay for college, or go to jail
McHENRY COUNTY, Ill., JANUARY 10, 2004 – A father of four was ordered this month by a circuit court judge to pay for his adult daughter’s college expenses, regardless of his ability to pay, and will be incarcerated if he cannot pay the obligation.

Michael Franke, of Lake in the Hills, Ill., will be sent to jail on Jan. 23rd if he does not hand over $3,800 to his former wife for the tuition expenses of his 18-year-old daughter. In addition, Franke’s paychecks will be seized 100% by the state of Illinois until the full initial court-ordered amount of $8,000 is paid in full. Franke could continue to be held responsible for his daughter’s college expenses should she continue in school.

Franke and his former wife, who divorced in 1999, agreed at the time to share the responsibility of their children’s higher education needs based on their individual ability to pay the expenses at the time of the child’s enrollment in school. The agreement also stated that all financial situations of both parents would be taken into account at the time of the order. Franke’s former wife earns a comparable salary and holds savings in excess of the amount Franke has been ordered to pay.

In addition to paying more than $20,000 per year in child support payments to his former wife for the care of his children, and having never been in arrears, Franke has a young son with his second wife who suffers from Recurrent Respiratory Papillomatosis. The ailment is a recurrent benign tumor involving the larynx and vocal cords. Monthly surgery is necessary for the child to maintain an unobstructed airway and normal voice development. The surgeries and routine care of this disease costs Franke approximately $500 per month.

McHenry County Circuit Court Associate Judge Joseph P. Condon told Franke this week that the special needs of his young son were of no concern to him, and that Franke’s current wife would have to deal with the ramifications of losing 100% of her husband’s income. Condon added that the children of Franke’s first marriage were a priority over Franke’s ill one-year-old son. Franke’s children also include a 16-year-old daughter and 11-year-old son.

Even though Franke has made regular attempts at exercising his visitation with his children, none of Franke’s three children from his first marriage currently have any contact with their father. Franke has had no contact with his 18-year-old daughter in more than three years.

According to Franke’s wife, Nicole, the couple made an offer to pay a “more reasonable” amount of the 18-year-old’s college tuition needs, citing the medical condition of the one-year-old, but the offer was refused. Condon also ordered Franke to pay all of his former wife’s attorney’s fees.

An appeal has been filed, but Condon warned Franke that he would be incarcerated if he did not provide proof that he had paid his former wife the $3,800 in full.

Courts in New Hampshire have recently ruled that forcing divorced parents to pay for their children’s college expenses is unconstitutional, citing the fact that parents from intact families cannot be legally compelled to provide the same assistance.

[SonofRage]

That's ridiculous.

[redstar2000]

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Was it Shakespeare who wrote: the law is an ass!

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[(*]

Yes.

Also, the daughter is 18. Give me a break, she should get a job and pay her own way through school.

[Loknar]

This is BS, men are treated like scum by the courts these days. The damn girl is 18, doesn’t the law recognizance that as the age of adult hood? If so then she is responsible for college her self, not mommy or daddy. I hope this man can appeal judge dumb-asses ruling.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 02:23 AM

Was it Shakespeare who wrote: the law is an ass!

Actually, that was Charles Dickens.

[Pete]

The only people that should be ordered to pay for postsecondary education is the state.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:52 AM
This is BS, men are treated like scum by the courts these days. The damn girl is 18, doesn’t the law recognizance that as the age of adult hood? If so then she is responsible for college her self, not mommy or daddy. I hope this man can appeal judge dumb-asses ruling.
yes. Men always get robbed when they get divorced.

Judges are becoming increasingly stupid. Like that judge that ordered MCdonalds to pay $??? million of dollars to an idiot, who put a hot coffe in between his legs when he was driving and the coffe spilled and burned him. Then he says he put the cofee their becuase their was not a label that said that the cofee was hot? :o :blink: . Of course the judge refused to see that this moron just lacked common sense and got burned because of that.

[monkeydust]

Well that does it..........I guess I'm gonna become a capitalist now.

[Monty Cantsin]

i think its unfair that anyone should have to pay, it should be a public service so every one whose naturally suited can go.

seeing im not from the US how much does it cost (University)?

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:39 PM
Well that does it..........I guess I'm gonna become a capitalist now.


?? no, i just thought this was so ridicolous, I just wanted to post it. It has nothing to do with capitalism or communism, this is just unfair.

euripidies:

i think its unfair that anyone should have to pay, it should be a public service so every one whose naturally suited can go.

seeing im not from the US how much does it cost (University)?
depends, I couldnt tell you an avergae, but it can go from 1,500 a semester to 20,000(even higher). Their are more thet charge under 10,000 a semester than over 10k. It also depends if your in state, out of state, international student...

How much does it cost where your from?

[Pete]

Average Ontario year is atleast 14 000, or so says the 'Carleton University Finicail Aid' page.


Men always get robbed when they get divorced

Not always, but most of the time. My friend and her dad successfully sued her mom for not paying a year or so of child support. She now has a new (read: used) car and her year of college paid for.

[Germanator]

Originally posted by el_profe+Jan 13 2004, 07:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Jan 13 2004, 07:22 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 08:52 AM
This is BS, men are treated like scum by the courts these days. The damn girl is 18, doesn’t the law recognizance that as the age of adult hood? If so then she is responsible for college her self, not mommy or daddy. I hope this man can appeal judge dumb-asses ruling.
yes. Men always get robbed when they get divorced.

Judges are becoming increasingly stupid. Like that judge that ordered MCdonalds to pay &#036;??? million of dollars to an idiot, who put a hot coffe in between his legs when he was driving and the coffe spilled and burned him. Then he says he put the cofee their becuase their was not a label that said that the cofee was hot? :o :blink: . Of course the judge refused to see that this moron just lacked common sense and got burned because of that. [/b]
You&#39;re an idiot. The woman spent MONTHS in recovery, dipshit. It&#39;s not like she spilled hot coffee and ruined a dress. She spilled FUCKING HOT coffee and spent months in the hospital recieving skin grafts, AFTER McDonald&#39;s had been warned REPEATEDLY by the FDA to lower the temperature of their beverages. Nice try, but you might want to know what you are talking about before opening that vacuous mouth of yours.

[Loknar]

ok germ are you going to tell me that we need to warn people that coffee is hot? sounds pretty stupid dont you agree?

[Jesus Christ]

If she is 18 years old then child support shouldn&#39;t have to be paid anymore, she is not a child.

[Loknar]

well, according to the law, she&#39;s a child, no way around it.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:50 PM
well, according to the law, she&#39;s a child, no way around it.
isnt 18 the age that signifies you are on your own?

[Pete]

isnt 18 the age that signifies you are on your own?

18, or being out of school for something like 9 months, which ever comes last.

[Loknar]

I&#39;m sorry, what I meant to say is: this ruling made her a child under the law.

[Monty Cantsin]

University of Sydney i think it&#39;s about &#036;1000 per subject per semester &#036;4000 all up but next year universitys can raise the hex 30%.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Well, the girl is 18. She should be able to get a job soon. I think the parents should have planned this before. Here father should pay as much as he can until her daughter can pay the rest. This is lack of planning. But it benefits capitalism: more incentive to have workers to exploit (the girl), attemps to control the people&#39;s lives, more expenditures on all the legal shit, moving money and helping the "free" market. Anyway, the point is that parents should have saved a bit before. Or maybe capitalism didnt allow them to do so?

Anyway, nothing of this would have happened with Anarchism because they wouldn&#39;t have to pay.

[Germanator]

Being a full time student leaves little time for work- certainly not enough to cover tuition. Legally, the father might not owe her anything, but morally, the dipshit is responsible for her birth, raising her is the least he could do.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by El Infiltr(A)[email protected] 14 2004, 01:44 AM
Well, the girl is 18. She should be able to get a job soon. I think the parents should have planned this before. Here father should pay as much as he can until her daughter can pay the rest. This is lack of planning. But it benefits capitalism: more incentive to have workers to exploit (the girl), attemps to control the people&#39;s lives, more expenditures on all the legal shit, moving money and helping the "free" market. Anyway, the point is that parents should have saved a bit before. Or maybe capitalism didnt allow them to do so?

Anyway, nothing of this would have happened with Anarchism because they wouldn&#39;t have to pay.
They had an agreement to that the mom (who has more money) was going to pay like the first year or part of the first year of college.

It said it on the 1st post, germanator should also read it, by his response it seemed he did not read it.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 10:59 PM

You&#39;re an idiot. The woman spent MONTHS in recovery, dipshit. It&#39;s not like she spilled hot coffee and ruined a dress. She spilled FUCKING HOT coffee and spent months in the hospital recieving skin grafts, AFTER McDonald&#39;s had been warned REPEATEDLY by the FDA to lower the temperature of their beverages. Nice try, but you might want to know what you are talking about before opening that vacuous mouth of yours.
common sense would say, dont put hot cofee between your legs, especially when your driving.

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[timbaly]

The court ruling is completely ridiculous and unjustified whether or not the father planned to partially the college tuition.

There have been a lot of ridiculous cases in the courts recently. I heard one about a man who broke into a garage and couldn&#39;t get out he was forced to eat dog food and pepsi until the residents came back from a vacation. i can&#39;t remember if he actually won the case but nothing would surprise me. Does anyone recall what happened to the case in which a man sued several fast food restaurants for causing his obessity? It might have been a class action suit, I really can&#39;t remember.

[synthesis]

I think that the McDonald&#39;s lawsuit should have forced the company to change the temperature of their drinks. She did get third-degree burns, after all. I don&#39;t think she should have gotten tens of millions of dollars in reparation. I think that the judge just awarded her that much money to show McDonald&#39;s that ignoring FDA regulations is going to bite you in the ass someday.

If I were the judge, I probably would have awarded the woman her hospital fees and maybe a little extra, and then partitioned the rest to public facilities. The punishment remains, the absurd reward doesn&#39;t.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 03:05 AM
The court ruling is completely ridiculous and unjustified whether or not the father planned to partially the college tuition.

There have been a lot of ridiculous cases in the courts recently. I heard one about a man who broke into a garage and couldn&#39;t get out he was forced to eat dog food and pepsi until the residents came back from a vacation. i can&#39;t remember if he actually won the case but nothing would surprise me. Does anyone recall what happened to the case in which a man sued several fast food restaurants for causing his obessity? It might have been a class action suit, I really can&#39;t remember.
It was against Mcdonalds, and he lost, the judge threw ou the case.

Their is a new one which i saw on overlawyered.com,
This moron is suing his cable company for making him a television addict. :blink:

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:06 PM
I think that the McDonald&#39;s lawsuit should have forced the company to change the temperature of their drinks. She did get third-degree burns, after all. I don&#39;t think she should have gotten tens of millions of dollars in reparation. I think that the judge just awarded her that much money to show McDonald&#39;s that ignoring FDA regulations is going to bite you in the ass someday.

If I were the judge, I probably would have awarded the woman her hospital fees and maybe a little extra, and then partitioned the rest to public facilities. The punishment remains, the absurd reward doesn&#39;t.
The award in that case was equal to the amount of sales McDonalds&#39; makes on coffee in just one day.

Really they might as well have not handed the lady a cup of hot coffee but just a cup of acid because the burns she recieved from the coffee being too hot were equal to third degree burns caused by acid.

I think the award was just. 32 million dollars to McDonalds is equal to one day of coffee sales. It is about equal to me having to give somebody 1000 dollars for being recklass and causing physical harm.

[Y2A]

Why must he pay even though the daughter is 18?

This is ridiculous.

[Loknar]

Why the hell does the temperature matter? IT&#39;S COFFEE, IT&#39;S HOT, I&#39;d tell her this "well next time don’t pout the fucking thing between your legs. In other words lady, don’t be a dumbass.

[synthesis]

I think it has little to do with the trivial circumstances of the lawsuit but with reminding corporations that they can&#39;t violate regulations with impunity.


32 million dollars to McDonalds is equal to one day of coffee sales. It is about equal to me having to give somebody 1000 dollars for being recklass and causing physical harm.

Yeah, it&#39;s not really the amount of money taken from McDonald&#39;s that I object to, it&#39;s where it went. I don&#39;t think some soccer mom should be awarded &#036;32,000,000 for being clumsy. Maybe they could have given her the &#036;32 million and then fined her &#036;31,500,000 for filing trivial lawsuits.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 05:36 AM
I think it has little to do with the trivial circumstances of the lawsuit but with reminding corporations that they can&#39;t violate regulations with impunity.


32 million dollars to McDonalds is equal to one day of coffee sales. It is about equal to me having to give somebody 1000 dollars for being recklass and causing physical harm.

Yeah, it&#39;s not really the amount of money taken from McDonald&#39;s that I object to, it&#39;s where it went. I don&#39;t think some soccer mom should be awarded &#036;32,000,000 for being clumsy. Maybe they could have given her the &#036;32 million and then fined her &#036;31,500,000 for filing trivial lawsuits.
I wonder how much teh lawyer took?