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Freiheitfuralle
13th January 2004, 03:19
I know, basically, what communism is but I mainly signed up at this website to see what all the fuss is about. I mean how can you preach communism when you have seen what happened to The Soviet Union? It was and is a repressed and dictator-dominated(stalin) society. Every communist countrys working class is free only conceptually. Isnt communism czarist and hipocritical in a sense? Look at Denmark, they are essentially capitalist and everybody is free. The government doesnt control the people, its only purpose is to detain the people who infringe upon others rights. Or at least more so than opressive communist Russia. I would like some info on communism very much not just some capitalist hating bullshit ok?
Thank you! :unsure:

redstar2000
13th January 2004, 04:15
Look at Denmark, they are essentially capitalist and everybody is free.

Ah, yes, "capitalism with a human face".

Well, I partially agree with you; if one must live in a state of wage-slavery, the Scandinavian countries are "the place to do it".

But "free"? I rather doubt it. Not when the U.S. can order your government to send troops to Iraq...and you flop on your bellies and obey the Emperor.


I mean how can you preach communism when you have seen what happened to the Soviet Union?

The USSR was never a communist country...not even Stalin claimed that distinction; he only claimed to have "achieved" socialism.

Most of the active members of this board are not "Marxist-Leninists" and are no more enamored of "Uncle Joe" than you are.

We don't want the USSR v.2.0.

As to what we do want...well, there are many threads and many arguments in the Theory and Politics forums. It's only fair to warn you that you have much reading ahead of you if you really want to dig into this stuff.

In this forum, we are mostly arguing with the misguided fools who remain enslaved to capitalist mythology.

Hence, there is much "capitalist hating bullshit".

Sorry about that.

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Exploited Class
13th January 2004, 04:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 09:19 PM
I mean how can you preach communism when you have seen what happened to The Soviet Union? It was and is a repressed and dictator-dominated(stalin) society. Every communist countrys working class is free only conceptually. Isnt communism czarist and hipocritical in a sense? Look at Denmark, they are essentially capitalist and everybody is free. The government doesnt control the people, its only purpose is to detain the people who infringe upon others rights. Or at least more so than opressive communist Russia. I would like some info on communism very much not just some capitalist hating bullshit ok?
Thank you! :unsure:
How can you preach anything? How can capitalists preach after the mass genocide of the American Indians? How can Catholics preach after the Spanish Inquisition? Why should my ideals be any different because of what some fucker did in the Soviet Union?

You say it was and still is a repressed and dictator-dominated society. Great, we agree on something we both dislike soviet union. I think if you really had a critical eye to a situation, you wouldn't dismiss the whole. I have visited and lived in that area very shortly after the fall of the wall. I am no lover of the soviet union, in fact I am very pissed off that it stained a great idea, but it wasn't all bad. You can't say something is all bad.

Where you might say they had long lines for bread, I can look at your American rush hour traffic and say you have long, long, long lines for your work, hour long lines. I can say that your culture is cruel and unusual to make you leave your home hours prior to the start of your work and penalize you for being late. It is all about perspective, yes the Soviet Union was no paradise, but it wasn't all bad. If you can accept that and learn that then you have a critical mind.

You don't like Stalin, we both agree on that, and you don't like him because he was a dictator. Well I don't like dicators as well. I don't like the dictatorship of the few, the small pecentage that actually controls much of my life.

I don't like the dicatorship of the one or the few. I believe only in the dicatorship of the all through democracy. I believe in equality and not just lip service equality where I tell somebody that they are equal to me because they get a vote as well as myself in a democracy that we don't really get to participate much in and is held by a small group of rich people.

I believe in true equality, economic equality, true freedom, no restrictions except the ones we place on ourselves, not the ones placed on us by a few. I believe in everybody having a right to work, everybody having the same quality of life, freedom of choices, nothing limited, everything available.

I do not believe one person's life is more valuable than any others, therefore one person can not have access to state of the art medical treatment while others can't even get regular check ups. I don't believe one person should be able to chose anything to eat while another has no choice but to not eat at all.

There is very little if any capitalist hating bullshit as you put it in this post.