US Rapper Tyler The Creator unleashes a torrent of hate on Sydney activist

[Hiero]

US Rapper Tyler The Creator unleashes a torrent of hate on Sydney activist (http://m.dailylife.com.au/news-and-views/dl-opinion/us-rapper-tyler-the-creator-unleashes-a-torrent-of-hate-on-sydney-activist-20130806-2rbbf.html?utm_content=bufferca42d&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=Buffer)

Tyler the creater fans harrasing a 23 year old female Australian via twitter regarding rape comentary in Tyler's lyrics.

[VDS]

Tyler without this kind of obvious "shock" crap is a decent at best rapper who gets old very quickly. This is how he stays relevant. He doesn't care that one of his fans could actually hurt someone because he's sheltered away from it and to him it's a joke. A joke isn't "real". A joke doesn't have consequences.

I'm not one to tell someone they have to change their music, but this kind of obvious asshole-ness is unnecessary and can be in fact, harmful. Especially because it's singling out one person.

Also, while not for telling someone how to make their music (no matter my feelings, or how stupid or degrading or offensive) I don't think it was SO bad that she petitioned so that he shouldn't play all ages shows.

[khad]

We have Burzum fanboys here and even more Tyler the Creator supporters.

Just brace for the eventual pushback/rationalization/crocodile tears.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

We have Burzum fanboys here and even more Tyler the Creator supporters.

Just brace for the eventual pushback/rationalization/crocodile tears.

You'd think that more of us would be better able to separate the artwork from the artist. I love Burzum, but the only thing I've ever agreed with Varg Vikernes on is that there are much better gaming systems than D&D.

[theghostofnestor]

is a member of powerful hip-hop collective Odd Future Wolf Gang Kill Them Al

hahahaha 'powerful'. yep im sure he has great influence over a buch of 14 year olds in gated areas but powerful???:lol:

no offence to any 14 year olds on this site

[Zergling]

Odd Future for the most part doesn't attract the most intelligent of people so this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Tyler doesn't know when he goes too far in his actions either.

[DasFapital]

I hate middle class white teenage boys

[Glitchcraft]

hahahaha 'powerful'. yep im sure he has great influence over a buch of 14 year olds in gated areas but powerful???:lol:

no offence to any 14 year olds on this site

I first heard Odd Future in the inner city. It didn’t make it to the gated communities till after it was old news in my neighbourhood. But yeah powerful is a bit reaching. But then again they are probably on a record label with big time lawyers and 100s of millions of dollars. That's more powerful than most 23-year-old psychology students from Sydney.


I hate middle class white teenage boys
How about working class white teenage boys?

I listen to a lot of hip hop and it's not all violence and misogyny. And even sometimes when it is, it's not necessarily that bad. I like to look at it like a reflection of life in decrepit segregated areas. I don't have to condone Ghostface Killahs objectification of women or lenient moral views on robbery and murder to be entertained by it. Maybe that's just my justification for liking bad music, I don't really care. Ghostface doesn't control me.

But there is a big difference in posturing a criminal lifestyle and advocating violence towards a specific person. Whose offence was that they petitioned to prevent a performer that advocates rape and murder from playing all ages shows.
I generally oppose censorship of artists but this seems to cross a line. It goes from bad taste to personal threats, multiple threats from multiple people. Serious threats.

A Florida rapper known as T.O. got 2 years added to his sentence for threatening specific cops in his song "Kill Me a Cop". Apparently you can say "Kill a Cop" but you can't say "Kill Officer Johnson".
According to the Bourgeois courts, stating a specific name makes it a threat. I've read the same goes for the President. You can say "Kill the President" but not "Shoot Reagan in the face"

So what do Marxists think?
If the woman in the article is harmed by an Odd Future fan is Tyler culpable?
Should he face charges of being complicit?
Does that set a bad precedent, slippery slope and whatnot? It would seem that Tyler himself is trying to encourage fans to harm this person.
Should Tyler be put on trial for harassment?

I mean assuming that armed workers are not protecting this woman in a show of solidarity against sexual harassment what's the call here?

Maybe Tyler just needs a good ass beating and a long lecture on womens liberation.
I don't know.

I have a hard time advocating for censorship but do not think that telling fans to harm a specific person is tolerable. Especially for the reason she is targeted.
I have an even harder time calling for anyone, especially young black men, to be punished by the state. Yet again, he is being a legitimate threat.
It's not at all illogical to think some die hard fan would do something horrible to this woman given the chance.
hmmmm.... I'm not even sure what texts to consult about this issue. Did Lenin have anything to say about Twitter and misogynist rappers?

[blake 3:17]

hmmmm.... I'm not even sure what texts to consult about this issue. Did Lenin have anything to say about Twitter and misogynist rappers?

I will say 100% certainty that Lenin said nothing on it. About three years ago I'd have had pretty easy access to Tyler. But time is time.


Twitter 'embarrasingly behind' on rape threats, Talitha Stone says

AFTER months of silence, senior executives at Twitter finally held a meeting with the young woman who was subjected to rape and murder threats on the social media platform.
Talitha Stone was subjected to horrific abuse by Twitter users after she questioned the violent and sexist content of the lyrics of US rapper, Tyler the Creator.
This morning Ms Stone won a rare audience with senior US Twitter executives Del Harvey, global head of trust and safety, and Colin Crowell, vice-president of public policy.
The executives apologised for the abuse Ms Stone endured on their platform and promised to roll out its "report abuse" button across all platforms by the end of September (it is currently only available on iPhones).
They also promised to simplify its abuse report form and said they would be sending US Twitter staff to Australia to discuss with law enforcement how to better manage cases of online threats and harrassment.
Ms Stone told news.com.au that she had "mixed feelings" about the meeting.
"They seem like they are genuine but they also seem really hopeless," she says.
"They apologised about my experience but not about their lack of or zero response."
Ms Stone reported the incident to Twitter months ago but received no reply from the company except for an automatically-generated email saying that her complaint did not violate its rules.
She also reported the incident to the NSW police who told her they were unable to take any action against the rapper.


A spokesperson for Twitter told news.com.au that the Twitter Rules prohibit direct abuse and threats of violence and "we will take action on accounts reported to us that violate these rules and are working to improve the reporting process".

Ms Stone welcomed the meeting but said that Twitter seems to be playing catch up on the issue of online abuse.
"They are so far behind on this issue it is embarrasing for them."
"They're still acting too slowly to prioritise keeping women safe."
"Nothing they have promised will prevent people who make violent threats of rape and murder from using the platform.
"It's a good first step, but they need to invest far greater resources into this problem."

The-24-year-old Sydney woman created a petition on Change.org challenging Twitter to take seriously users' complaints of harrassment after the rapper encouraged his social media fans to go after her.
Ms Stone told news.com.au that she planned to keep putting pressure on the social media platform to ensure that people are kept safe.
"If they can invest heavily in Australia to 'grow their market' and try to convince more people to use Twitter, they also have an obligation to prioritise tackling these issues to make it a safe place for women," she said.
Twitter has been contacted by news.com.au for comment but has yet to respond. Earlier this month Twitter UK's general manager Tony Wang apologised to women who were attacked on the social networking site calling the abuse "appalling and unacceptable".



http://www.news.com.au/technology/biztech/twitter-8216embarrasingly-behind8217-on-rape-threats-talitha-stone-says/story-fn5lic6c-1226694273071

[blake 3:17]

We have Burzum fanboys here and even more Tyler the Creator supporters.

Just brace for the eventual pushback/rationalization/crocodile tears.

I've no idea why people listen to heavy metal whatever that stuff is re:Burzum

I've bought both his albums. I'm a hip hop head and it's something really creepy weird and I listen to it. I'll be a rationalizer, in a way, but I needed a friend to buy me the Slim Shadey Album. I'd been so into Conscious hip hop for so long. I couldn't do it. I got drunk to buy 50 Cent's first record -- which is brilliant. I'd been listening to PE and Tribe and The Goats for ten years before that.

Tyler's behaviour's been awful. I do have serious questions about what Stone was trying to accomplish by banning all ages access to his shows. Sure kids are impressionable, but using censoring tactics is going to produce a blow back. It's also gonna sell a lot of records.

When Tipper Gore started the PMRC, it caused problems for a few artists, but it also hyped them massive. The Chronic wouldn't have blown up the way it did without the PMRC.

And in ages past, before my time, to see a live act, than to buy the record. If you're stopping kids from going, they're still gonna get the album, or YouTube it or whatever.

It's free advertising. For a 14 year old, a 23 year old psychology student anti-violence activist isn't much different than any other authority figure except that they don't have to be taken seriously.

It's awful she was subjected to threats and gross talk.

[khad]

^Well, let's extend that logic to a more personal scenario:

Woman sees woman being harassed by a group of men on the street. She tries to intervene, and they both get beaten and raped for their efforts.

You walk along and start lecturing:

"Well, I don't know what she was trying to accomplish. It's so tragic what happened, but what did you expect to do against 4 grown men? All you're doing is making people less sympathetic to your cause. Yadda yadda yadda."

You, sir, sound like an asshole.

[blake 3:17]

^Well, let's extend that logic to a more personal scenario:

Woman sees woman being harassed by a group of men on the street. She tries to intervene, and they both get beaten and raped for their efforts.

You walk along and start lecturing:

"Well, I don't know what she was trying to accomplish. It's so tragic what happened, but what did you expect to do against 4 grown men? All you're doing is making people less sympathetic to your cause. Yadda yadda yadda."

You, sir, sound like an asshole.

Last things first. Yeah, I can be a total asshole.

Ok moving on- I don't really know what you're saying. Tyler the Creator acted like a shit and his fans acted worse.

I don't think Stone's tactic's were effective.

[Zergling]

Doesn't really matter that they weren't effective, what was done towards her should never have happened regardless. What is this victim's fault mentality going on here?