Favourite RevLeft Thing

[The Feral Underclass]

My most favourite thing on RevLeft is when you have a thread with lots of posters making really interesting points and thought out arguments and then someone comes in, doesn't read any of the thread and posts something that was a) already said repeatedly four pages ago, b) has been refuted and c) completely misses the entire point of everything that is going on.

I love that.

[The Feral Underclass]

These are my second favourite RevLeft thing.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02_05/StrawMenEPA_650x434.jpg

[Sasha]

My most favourite thing on RevLeft is when you have a thread with lots of posters making really interesting points and thought out arguments and then someone comes in, doesn't read any of the thread and posts something that was already said.

[Admiral Swagmeister G-Funk]

the anarchist tension :tt1::blushing:

[The Feral Underclass]

the anarchist tension :tt1::blushing:

N0IG-8QFHsY

[Tim Cornelis]

when someone says what's already been said.

[G4b3n]

My favorite thing is when people defend Stalin and upon debunking them with hard evidence I am informed that my hard evidence is nothing but bourgeois lies. That doesn't grind my gears at all.

[The Feral Underclass]

I have walked into a trap of my own making.

[synthesis]

My favorite thing is all the passive-aggressiveness.

[ed miliband]

when someone says something, right, and then someone quotes their post and says basically the exact same thing in different words like they're teaching the person they quoted something.

[Decolonize The Left]

when someone says something, right, and then someone quotes their post and says basically the exact same thing in different words like they're teaching the person they quoted something.

I'll see you this, and I'll raise you:

When someone says something and then someone else comes in and quotes their post and writes a long and lengthy reply, with either multiple quotes or just a huge block of text, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the original post.

[Ele'ill]

I like how all the leftists here so far are saying revleft is all entirely good and that there's nothing to improve on as if the state of left dialogue is some pristine thing like we already have it made.

[The Feral Underclass]

RevLeft4Life

[The Douche]

This thread is my favorite thing on revleft:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/mutualism-t181834/index.html

Its gonna be one of the those threads that ends up with me having to stay off revleft for a week or two.

[The Feral Underclass]

This thread is my favorite thing on revleft:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/mutualism-t181834/index.html

Eye-communism???...:unsure:

[Ele'ill]

The Douche, we all have to work in order to eat, otherwise we'd not even be able to get our hands up to our mouths, just think

[The Douche]

communism=voluntary blindness and starvation

[Ele'ill]

some more favorite revleft things are users grotesquely redefining the state when talking with anarchists in order to make their position seem cute and organic

"no no, you don't understand. it will be a group of people with guns backed by decision making bodies that show up to your house to make you know that if you don't comply and go to work you will starve and if you resist this system or attempt to obtain food by other means you will probably be shot to death. don't worry, the state will continue to wither away *jedi mind trick hand motion*'

[Taters]

Eye-communism???...:unsure:

that thread
http://i.imgur.com/2JLf5I6.gif

[Popular Front of Judea]

Revisionist!


I like how all the leftists here so far are saying revleft is all entirely good and that there's nothing to improve on as if the state of left dialogue is some pristine thing like we already have it made.

[Omsk]

Orthodox-Marxism and Left-Communism.

[The Douche]

Orthodox-Marxism and Left-Communism.

What do you mean by orthodox Marxism? I don't think there are that many leftcoms around anymore either, but there was a time where I could see that. I remember the "meanwhile... the working class" meme.

[Omsk]

The "Orthodox-Marxists" - a tendency here. There are some left-comms left, but yes, most of them either left or were banned.

I also loved Daft-Punk, the best propagandist of the CWI. :laugh: I miss him.

[Brutus]

Why do you hate Kautsky, Omsk?

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

My favourite thing is all the communism.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

lol, joke, I don't know if any of you have noticed though, but there seems to be a tendency in the longer threads where there are several users making really good points, for some asshole to just come in at like the bottom of page 2, and just repeat what everyone else has already said earlier in the thread. WTF??

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

[QUOTE=Manoir de mes reves;2649721]I'll see you this, and I'll raise you:

I don't think you can back this up.


When someone says something

If you're not going to specify who said it then I would suggest your argument doesn't follow. Or at least Lenin said so.


and then someone else comes in and quotes their post and writes a long and lengthy reply

It's exactly this pro-imperialist discrimination against long and lengthly replies which makes your support for NATO so obvious. Hands off Assad!

with either multiple quotes or just a huge block of text, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the original post.

Define 'nothing'. Love Stalin.

[Skyhilist]

My favorite part is when the posts deemed the more "useful" via the thanks buttons aren't the most informative posts but the most clever one liners.

[Ele'ill]

i don't troll but I like watching it take place

[The Feral Underclass]

I don't think you can back this up.

It's a self-evident statement predicated on the premise of it's own internal logic, based entirely on the notion that the thesis is constructed a priori.


If you're not going to specify who said it then I would suggest your argument doesn't follow. Or at least Lenin said so.

If you look at the text you can clearly see that Bakunin said things that make your argument invalid.


It's exactly this pro-imperialist discrimination against long and lengthly replies which makes your support for NATO so obvious. Hands off Assad!

This is simply an evasion and if I bold this word and italicise this one, it makes my argument more commanding and therefore more right than yours. Bolded sentence.


Define 'nothing'. Love Stalin.

Babies were eaten between 1924 and 1953. All the babies after that point were revisionsists.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

It's a self-evident statement predicated on the premise of it's own internal logic, based entirely on the notion that the thesis is constructed a priori.

Prove it.



If you look at the text you can clearly see that Bakunin said things that make your argument invalid.

I disagree. So did Stalin, and he industrialised an entire nation all by himself, as did Hoxha. In fact, if you recall what Hoxha said to the Obscurantist All-Party Group local town meeting on February 31st (Socialist Albania was so good they needed to extend the calendar to enjoy it more) 1969:

"Jungle music is bad, kids. I can say that and be against racism because my daddy took me to logic gymnastics classes from the age of 6. Although of course, like the Kim dynasty/line of democratically elected leaders from the same family in the same country one after the other for over 50 years, I don't have a father because I was immaculately conceived next to a unicorn on the side of a mountain that doesn't exist."

I think that proves my point, you imperialist lackey lover of NATO western bourgeois pleasures reformist Kruschevite LIBERAL!




This is simply an evasion and if I bold this word and italicise this one, it makes my argument more commanding and therefore more right than yours. Bolded sentence.

I would argue it's an avoidance, rather than an evasion and, as we know, whilst the latter would constitute the most heinous, immoral and evil of crimes, the former can merely be seen as an expression of creative loopholing, within the confines of the law.




Babies were eaten between 1924 and 1953. All the babies after that point were revisionsists.

Haha. Got nothing to this.

[Vladimir Innit Lenin]

wow, being a Stalinist is fun, no wonder there are so many of them!

[Forward Union]

Me

[Sasha]

wow, being a Stalinist is fun, no wonder there are so many of them!


we should start a elaborate role-playing sub-forum, might bring down the socks a bit to :lol:

[Art Vandelay]

Orthodox-Marxism and Left-Communism.

My favorite thing is Omsk :)

[Decolonize The Left]

I didn't read this thread, but I want to say to the members The Boss and The Anarchist Tension (lame names btw haha) that you guys are totally not taking into account reality.

This one time I was out with some friends and one of them was not a leftist, well, he may be a leftist inside you know but not outside so he's all talking about free markets and how theyre good. So I raised the argument which all communists will understand about how people need to interact freely and have control over their own labor but he countered with the fact that human nature isn't that way. That actually competition is what drives the animal world and the world backs this up literally with examples all the time. Now, we all know that that's not true but I tried to explain it using dialectics and how competition begins with a problem and is merely the synthesis of this problem and its counter-problem but he said that was academic talk! I couldn't believe it. So what I want to know is how do we counter these sorts of arguments when in 1917 there was a secret meeting between the Bolsheviks which detailed the true nature of dialectics and how they were trying to relate it to threat of the monarchy? Doesn't this prove that we are right?

I made a diagram:

THESIS --->>>>
Monarchy ---->>>>
Anti-Thesis ----->>>>
Capitalism ----->>>>
Synthesis ----->>>>
Communism

[TheEmancipator]

I honestly like the Stalin threads. They're fun.

[Le Socialiste]

Honestly? The anarchists.

(and that's not sarcasm, it's a genuine feeling.) :D

[roy]

when people make massive, sudden tendency jumps and act like their former tendency mates are the scum of the earth

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

I'm just here for the chicks. :cool:


In all seriousness though, it's probably the number of genuinely intelligent posters here who, despite all of their arguing and even petty squabbling, are actually quite knowledgeable in the subject and at least attempt to make a well-formed argument. That really is far too rare on the internet.

[Omsk]

My favorite thing is Omsk :)Son, you are back! :tt1:

[Ace High]

When people show support for incredibly backwards right wing leaders just because they are anti imperialists :laugh:

[Popular Front of Judea]

Not exactly restricted to RevLeft...


When people show support for incredibly backwards right wing leaders just because they are anti imperialists :laugh:

[Ele'ill]

when people list the quote after their reply to it

[Polaris]

Well duh it's like an unwritten rule that to be a legit poster you have to do that.

when people list the quote after their reply to it

[Ele'ill]

users who sign their username after every one of their posts

-Luis Henrique

[GiantMonkeyMan]

users who don't use punctuation or capital letters in their sentances

[The Feral Underclass]

People who misuse semi-colons are like my 4th favourite thing.

[synthesis]

My favorite thing is when people criticize other people's posting habits in such a way as to prevent them from responding to said criticism.

[Ele'ill]

users who don't use punctuation or capital letters in their sentances


users who pretend to not be smart enough to read sentences lacking proper punctuation and capital letters because it is their only out in debates they are losing

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

People who misuse semi-colons are like my 4th favourite thing.

Is that NGNM? He's a zit on the arse of this forum.

[The Feral Underclass]

My favorite thing is when people criticize other people's posting habits in such a way as to prevent them from responding to said criticism.

Yeah, that's one of my favourites too. Like my 3rd favourite.

[G4b3n]

Orthodox-Marxism and Left-Communism.

Orthodox Marxism is about as vague as the word "socialism".

[Popular Front of Judea]

So where do I find an Orthodox Marxist rabbi?

Orthodox Marxism is about as vague as the word "socialism".

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

So where do I find an Orthodox Marxist rabbi?

Look no further than DNZ. Obscurantist to the max.

[Comrade Samuel]

My favorite thing is Omsk :)

My favorite thing about revleft is that 9mm is the only person I know of to have reversed their banishment.

Clearly he is the messiah.

[The Feral Underclass]

My favorite thing about revleft is that 9mm is the only person I know of to have reversed their banishment.

Clearly he is the messiah.

Erm, hello...

[Decolonize The Left]

Just want to remind folks to keep the personal insults out of the thread. I like the way it's going but it'll be shut down if we keep naming names and hating because that hateraid be so tasty.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

my favourite thing on revleft is when there's a good thread going with decent posters all wrapped up in intense discussion and debate, when all of a sudden; some dumb fucker just comes in without reading anything in the god-damned thread, posts some short and sassy paragraph about a topic that's already been covered pages ago and leaves feeling dignified about repeating what theyd never bothered to read.

what an asshole.

- JlaJ


My favorite thing about revleft is that 9mm is the only person I know of to have reversed their banishment.

Clearly he is the messiah.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I like everything but the Internet aspect of revleft. Wouldn't carrier pigeons help people be more concise?

[MarxSchmarx]

My favorite part of revleft has to be the fact that just about every poster here thinks the other posters are incompetent idiots.

People who whine about how other users fail grammatically, have only mildly annoying posting habits, worry more about substance than style, etc... Boy, I get a kick out of watching how smart you are.

It's like how most drivers think they are "above average" and good drivers, it's everyone else on the road.

Sometimes, I long for Maoist self-criticism.

[The Feral Underclass]

I long for Maoist RevLeft Cultural Revolution.

[The Feral Underclass]

Is that NGNM? He's a zit on the arse of this forum.

He is like the worst culprit for semi-colon misuse.

[The Douche]

My favorite part of revleft has to be the fact that just about every poster here thinks the other posters are incompetent idiots.

People who whine about how other users fail grammatically, have only mildly annoying posting habits, worry more about substance than style, etc... Boy, I get a kick out of watching how smart you are.

It's like how most drivers think they are "above average" and good drivers, it's everyone else on the road.

Sometimes, I long for Maoist self-criticism.

Most posters on here are incompetent idiots, and the few who are not act like they are, because that is the culture of revleft, and I kind of think you would have to be an incompetent idiot to really take this place seriously 99% of the time.

*I don't exclude myself from the incompetency, I am probably not that much smarter than lots of posters who I would consider myself "better than", I have just been around this stuff (not just the board) longer, and so I am slightly more prepared.

Compare the dialogue here to the dialogue at your party conferences, or your reading group meetings, shit, even the dialogue in some of the facebook groups I'm in is better than the dialogue here. You know that when facebook hosts better conversations that something is fucked.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Vegan Alfredo M. Bananas

1 c. coconut milk [the canned kind]
1/2 c. nutritional yeast
1 medium clove of garlic
1 tsp. dried basil
1 tsp. sea salt
1/2 tsp. fresh ground black pepper
1 bunch of bananas



Peel and chop bananas - place aside.
Mince the garlic.
Add all of the ingredients, except the bananas, to a blender.
Blend until the consistency is smooth.
Heat mixture on medium-low for 5-10 minutes.
Pour over bananas.

[TheEmancipator]

I thought the fascist/troll alert thread was hilarious, particularly when some strasserite\/ third positionists/MTWs were exposed.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Basically, all of people's favourite things about RevLeft seem to be a consequence of the message board medium itself.
It sure is a good thing that leftists never meet face-to-face, because obviously it would be the worst.

Semi-serious aside: Should we raise a few tens of thousands and dollars (anybody else have experience writing grant applications?) and hold an irl RevLeft conference? I know that, instinctively you should think, "There's got to be something better we could accomplish with that much money!" but the reality is that, in terms of grants, you pretty much need to be a) doing something useless (like a RevLeft conference) or b) doing front-line service work that shouldn't be your responsibility in the first place.

[The Feral Underclass]

^Providing I can chair it, I'm in.

[The Douche]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2011/09/23/Style/Images/Henson-Muppets009.jpg

Reserved section for the ultra-left attendees.

[Decolonize The Left]

^Providing I can chair it, I'm in.

lol. not gonna happen.

[The Feral Underclass]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v54/Veteran_Curmudgeon/Splitter_331895.jpg

Reserved section for Ismail.

[The Feral Underclass]

lol. not gonna happen.

Rude.

Edit: This makes you a homophobe btw.

[bcbm]

we should start a elaborate role-playing sub-forum,

you mean the whole board isnt... oh... shit


Should we raise a few tens of thousands and dollars (anybody else have experience writing grant applications?) and hold an irl RevLeft conference?

only if i can drink the whole time

[Decolonize The Left]

only if i can drink the whole time

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2013/03/2013310-drunk.jpg

[The Feral Underclass]

I am very happy with the way this thread has turned out.

[bcbm]

http://www.blogto.com/upload/2013/03/2013310-drunk.jpg


http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdecca0kux1qd0uqe.jpg

[The Douche]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdecca0kux1qd0uqe.jpg

You're totes the one holding the shaker.

[bcbm]

You're totes the one holding the shaker.

i'll accept that

[Art Vandelay]

My favorite thing about revleft is that 9mm is the only person I know of to have reversed their banishment.

Clearly he is the messiah.

Allahu 9mm! Praise be to the resurrected one.

[Ele'ill]

getting an angry pm from some user because someone else thanked my post

[The Feral Underclass]

getting an angry pm from some user because someone else thanked my post

yqyixwqiCag

[Ele'ill]

when users claim conspiracy, that the majority of the users are a certain tendency despite it 1. not being true 2. not really mattering at all even if it were true

[Ele'ill]

look at me posting about how much I hate everyone who I look forward to conversing with as a part of my daily routine

[The Feral Underclass]

No seriously, I want to know what the PM thing was about...

[Ele'ill]

No seriously, I want to know what the PM thing was about...

the one in mind, someone was mad that an ultra left tendency user thanked my posts and was complaining about basically there being an elaborate ultra conspiracy and everyone in the whole world is against them and their shitty life opinions

this has happened a few times in different situations and all are the same 'you think that just because you get those people thanking your posts that you are right' and it's like instead of sending me this message you could have just been responding in the thread whatever

[Brutus]

getting an angry pm from some user because someone else thanked my post

Spill the beans

EDIT: Whoops...

[The Feral Underclass]

the one in mind, someone was mad that an ultra left tendency user thanked my posts and was complaining about basically there being an elaborate ultra conspiracy and everyone in the whole world is against them and their shitty life opinions

this has happened a few times in different situations and all are the same 'you think that just because you get those people thanking your posts that you are right' and it's like instead of sending me this message you could have just been responding in the thread whatever

That's weird.

[Polaris]

When I post something, then once it's posted I look at the thread again and realize that while I was writing it someone posted the same thing as me. Especially when they said it better than I did.



getting an angry pm from some user because someone else thanked my post
Spill the beans

EDIT: Whoops...
And this, on a similar note.

[Ele'ill]

people get mad about thanked posts all the time I am surprised i am the only one who has noticed, you can literally end a thread by thanking the right posts at the right time (attack the systems of social control by engaging in internet social manipulation about stuff barely anybody even knows exists in a thread probably ten people on the planet in its entire existence will read)

[Le Socialiste]

On a similar note, people who neg rep you simply because they disagree with whatever you said. Shit's ridiculous...

Edit - So glad we disabled that function, btw.

[Le Socialiste]

people get mad about thanked posts all the time I am surprised i am the only one who has noticed, you can literally end a thread by thanking the right posts at the right time

Pretty sure people have been verbally warned (or worse) for thanking certain posts before. Not sure though, I know I've personally asked users to clarify their reasoning for thanking specific posts before.

[The Feral Underclass]

On a similar note, people who neg rep you simply because they disagree with whatever you said. Shit's ridiculous...

Isn't that what neg-repping was for...?

[The Feral Underclass]

people get mad about thanked posts all the time I am surprised i am the only one who has noticed, you can literally end a thread by thanking the right posts at the right time (attack the systems of social control by engaging in internet social manipulation about stuff barely anybody even knows exists in a thread probably ten people on the planet in its entire existence will read)

People thanks too much in my view and don't use the positive-rep option enough. This is annoying because people have like 160 rep points to give and they never do! :p

[Le Socialiste]

Isn't that what neg-repping was for...?

Sure, but I've had users neg rep me while sending me angry PMs at the same time. Needless to say, it was a stupid thing to have in the first place (the neg rep function, that is). If you disagree with someone that much, just respond to the post in question.

[Ele'ill]

one takes longer

[The Feral Underclass]

thanksthanksthanksthanksthanksthanks

[synthesis]

I just use the rep function as a sort of "Quick PM." Even when there was neg-rep, I would still do pos-reps just to call someone a dipshit or whatever, if I didn't think I had anything else to offer in the thread.


look at me posting about how much I hate everyone who I look forward to conversing with as a part of my daily routine

I was about to say - if you were really that frustrated by every single debate you have here, why continue to do it?

[The Feral Underclass]

^Cuz maybe people stupidly think "this time it will be different."

[The Feral Underclass]

Sure, but I've had users neg rep me while sending me angry PMs at the same time. Needless to say, it was a stupid thing to have in the first place (the neg rep function, that is). If you disagree with someone that much, just respond to the post in question.

I am guilty of weaponising the neg-rep option.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

Can there be neg-reping at the conference?
I was pretty much too drunk for RevLeft the entire time neg-reping existed, and I feel like I missed out.

[Ele'ill]

a revleft conference with actual sockpuppets :lol:


no u don't understand this is actually james05 *sock mouth moves a little bit*

[Le Socialiste]

I am guilty of weaponising the neg-rep option.

I was tempted to use it when it was an option, but the thought of dealing with the angry comments that would inevitably follow from whoever it was I neg-repped was enough to dissuade me. Never seemed worth the hassle.

[Art Vandelay]

I was tempted to use it when it was an option, but the thought of dealing with the angry comments that would inevitably follow from whoever it was I neg-repped was enough to dissuade me. Never seemed worth the hassle.

The only time I ever tried to neg-rep someone was when I got called a 'pro-nazi piece of shit' for saying that WWII was a inter-imperialist conflict, but I couldn't figure out how to.

[synthesis]

^Cuz maybe people stupidly think "this time it will be different."

I think a good rule of thumb is that it's never the other person's fault when you get frustrated about an argument on the Internet. If you really can't control how you feel about it, then it's still your fault for not walking away, since there are no real consequences to "losing."

(I use "you" in the most plural, general sense possible, not against you or Mari3L; everyone who's discussed anything on the Internet has been frustrated at some point.)

[cyu]

These are my second favourite RevLeft thing.

http://i.imgur.com/TkKMpHG.png

[Polaris]

Can there be neg-reping at the conference?
I second this.

Like, to neg-rep someone you make an L across your forehead.

And then you take away their gold star stickers. Oh, and make sure to walk away before they can make a comeback.

[The Douche]

I think a good rule of thumb is that it's never the other person's fault when you get frustrated about an argument on the Internet. If you really can't control how you feel about it, then it's still your fault for not walking away, since there are no real consequences to "losing."

(I use "you" in the most plural, general sense possible, not against you or Mari3L; everyone who's discussed anything on the Internet has been frustrated at some point.)

Not necessarily on here. If it was the comments section of youtube, I would agree. But here, if you let somebody continue you on, and you just walk away, they will continue to argue that position in any other thread about it, and a lot of times people like to bring up old/unrelated arguments that they won, whenever they get into new discussions with the same person.

Like, if you let somebody be a shithead on here, it absolutely will effect the culture of the board (since this is more close knit than something like the comments section somewhere, and there is no anon option here), they will continue to be shitty, they will drive off new posters, they will teach other posters to be shitty etc...

Look at the way so many people latched onto the poster ******* (the cock, I dunno if its blocked), somebody who contributed little or nothing to the conversation here, but who knew enough that they could've participated in a more mature way, but all the posters ate the troll persona up, what good did it do to let him rack up posts and e-friends on here?

The staff can't ban people for being "shitty posters", all you can really do is try to expose how much of an idiot/asshole/shitty poster somebody is, and hope enough people see it to be able to recognize that nothing good comes from them. (see: people like NGNM, who have a history of being trolls on other radical websites as well)

[Flying Purple People Eater]

The roo stirs again?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Reserved section for orthotrots:

http://earnthis.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Temple-of-Doom-Mola-Ram-Amrish-Puri-heart.png

Cannon Ma!

[Per Levy]

well the favourite/best thing about revleft? that it introduced me to left communism something i never heard before i got here. also there are some good users still on here that arnt banned. sadly many good posters that i learned from or just enjoyed being on here got banned in the short time im am a member here.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

Sure, but I've had users neg rep me while sending me angry PMs at the same time. Needless to say, it was a stupid thing to have in the first place (the neg rep function, that is). If you disagree with someone that much, just respond to the post in question.

I was once negrepped six times in a row with a user who misread what I was saying. Truth is, I feel hurt when people do that... Ah. :blushing:

[synthesis]

Not necessarily on here. If it was the comments section of youtube, I would agree. But here, if you let somebody continue you on, and you just walk away, they will continue to argue that position in any other thread about it, and a lot of times people like to bring up old/unrelated arguments that they won, whenever they get into new discussions with the same person.

Like, if you let somebody be a shithead on here, it absolutely will effect the culture of the board (since this is more close knit than something like the comments section somewhere, and there is no anon option here), they will continue to be shitty, they will drive off new posters, they will teach other posters to be shitty etc...

Look at the way so many people latched onto the poster ******* (the cock, I dunno if its blocked), somebody who contributed little or nothing to the conversation here, but who knew enough that they could've participated in a more mature way, but all the posters ate the troll persona up, what good did it do to let him rack up posts and e-friends on here?

The staff can't ban people for being "shitty posters", all you can really do is try to expose how much of an idiot/asshole/shitty poster somebody is, and hope enough people see it to be able to recognize that nothing good comes from them. (see: people like NGNM, who have a history of being trolls on other radical websites as well)

It still doesn't mean you have to let it bother you. Easier said than done, of course, but if someone is able to goad you into getting emotional, aren't they winning just as much as if they got the last word in an argument?

[Popular Front of Judea]

One thing I love on Revleft is the movie reviews by individuals who have not actually seen the movie in question -- but just know it's objectively counter-revolutionary trash.

Speaking of which I am off to see Elysium.:grin:

[Os Cangaceiros]

One thing I hate about revleft is the whole "line-by-line" style of argumentation. I've been guilty of that too on occasion, but it's not something that I really like to do that much. Who argues like that in real life? "Oh, by the way, when you said this particular word, what did you really mean by that? And what about the sentence you said right after that?!"

Regarding "war of attrition" style argumentation, I don't really engage in it that much here. If I get into an argument, I'll go on for a few replies, present evidence in my favor, and then call it good; observers can decide for themselves whether my rhetoric stands or falls on it's own merits.

[blake 3:17]

Talking total lefty nerd shit with non-academics.

[Quail]

One thing I hate about revleft is the whole "line-by-line" style of argumentation. I've been guilty of that too on occasion, but it's not something that I really like to do that much. Who argues like that in real life? "Oh, by the way, when you said this particular word, what did you really mean by that? And what about the sentence you said right after that?!"

I always do this because it means you can respond more thoroughly to each point that is brought up and it just makes things clearer.


"war of attrition" style argumentation, I don't really engage in it that much here. If I get into an argument, I'll go on for a few replies, present evidence in my favor, and then call it good; observers can decide for themselves whether my rhetoric stands or falls on it's own merits.
It depends on the particular argument, but sometimes I just can't bring myself to leave a thread alone. I hate it when for whatever reason I can't get online for a couple of days when I'm in the middle of a heated debate because I don't want the other person to think I just gave up. :o

[Jimmie Higgins]

My favorite RevLeft thing? Ooooh it's gotta be alllll the sarcasm. I just looooove that! Can't even have a "favorite RevLeft" thread without it being 90% sarcastic.

See...


I always do thisAlways? I don't think that's likely.

because it means you can respond more thoroughlyBut can you?



each point that is brought up and it just makes things clearer.
On the contrary, it just obfuscates class distinctions and leads to cross-class posts!

:D

[Le Socialiste]

I have a tendency to go back and forth between wanting to carry a debate through to the end and not really caring about whether I do or not. I'll engage in a few debates for a time, but I always end up burning myself out. Plus, it can be hard to muster up the interest to just respond to another person's post sometimes. But I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

[Ele'ill]

One thing I hate about revleft is the whole "line-by-line" style of argumentation. I've been guilty of that too on occasion, but it's not something that I really like to do that much. Who argues like that in real life? "Oh, by the way, when you said this particular word, what did you really mean by that? And what about the sentence you said right after that?!"

Regarding "war of attrition" style argumentation, I don't really engage in it that much here. If I get into an argument, I'll go on for a few replies, present evidence in my favor, and then call it good; observers can decide for themselves whether my rhetoric stands or falls on it's own merits.

I look forward to when I can adequately block quote a post and reply to it as a kind of summary rebuttal. Sometimes it takes that extra thousand lines of text to fully share how much I dislike a position.

[Ele'ill]

Another revleft thing are the replies that are fifty thousand words long. I know I should probably want to read that I am sure there's good stuff in there and stuff I would disagree with too I just don't even care to read through it. On a similar note is the whole plethora of annoying that is link dropping when the links either have nothing to do with the discussion, I've actually done this to be funny and nobody has even noticed, or the links are to unrealistically long novels with anthologies of prerequisite reading.

[The Feral Underclass]

One thing I hate about revleft is the whole "line-by-line" style of argumentation.

I do this all the time.

[synthesis]

Another revleft thing are the replies that are fifty thousand words long. I know I should probably want to read that I am sure there's good stuff in there and stuff I would disagree with too I just don't even care to read through it. On a similar note is the whole plethora of annoying that is link dropping when the links either have nothing to do with the discussion, I've actually done this to be funny and nobody has even noticed, or the links are to unrealistically long novels with anthologies of prerequisite reading.

There's definitely something to be said for prioritizing the accessibility of one's writing, and also for just copying and pasting the relevant parts of an article into your post, unless it's just "recommended reading" as opposed to something that your entire argument is founded upon.

On another note...

HEISENBERG

[Jimmie Higgins]

Another revleft thing are the replies that are fifty thousand words long.Ha, guilty. I never intend them to be like that but I often get into a stream of consiousness thing of "thinking out loud" and well, run on.


On a similar note is the whole plethora of annoying that is link dropping when the links either have nothing to do with the discussion, I've actually done this to be funny and nobody has even noticed, or the links are to unrealistically long novels with anthologies of prerequisite reading.Hilarious. I think we should actually make this a regular thing when OIers do a troll hit-and-run:


Hi, I'm new and I want to know why do you leftists want to destroy all that is nice and get commanded by Obama to hold death panels for my grandma?



Thank you for your interest, this should answer your question:
http://www.papajohns.com/franchise/international-franchisee-testimonials.shtm

[Ele'ill]

Ha, guilty.

(I know)



I never intend them to be like that but I often get into a stream of consiousness thing of "thinking out loud" and well, run on.

They aren't bad posts. My stream of consciousness would be an abyss not even Avanti could compete with.

[The Douche]

It still doesn't mean you have to let it bother you. Easier said than done, of course, but if someone is able to goad you into getting emotional, aren't they winning just as much as if they got the last word in an argument?

I'm not saying I am bothered by it.

I'm just saying, the idea of allowing somebody to make statements you disagree with, and not argue against them defeats the purpose of a discussion board, doesn't it?

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I'm not saying I am bothered by it.

I'm just saying, the idea of allowing somebody to make statements you disagree with, and not argue against them defeats the purpose of a discussion board, doesn't it?

Disagree. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Instead of fighting a losing battle, wait until something indefensibly stupid is published in their party's newspaper, then tear them to pieces. Fight to win.

[Quail]

Revenge is a dish best served cold.
I just read this as "Revleft is a dish best served cold"

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

I just read this as "Revleft is a dish best served cold"

This makes me imagine a scenario where, a decade or so after industrial collapse, I am living in a small fishing village in rural Nova Scotia. One day, a strange old bearded man a mysterious neckbearded teenage boy comes down from the hills. He says nothing to anyone, but walks to the center of town, and, producing a hammer, nails a notice to the town hall. ":hammersickle: WHY DOES STALIN GET SUCH A BAD RAP?:hammersickle:"

[cyu]

sometimes I just can't bring myself to leave a thread alone. I hate it when for whatever reason I can't get online for a couple of days when I'm in the middle of a heated debate because I don't want the other person to think I just gave up.


I used to be like that - great way to burn out xD

Now I try to remind myself that the other guy is just one person - one person out of billions on this planet. What matters much more is everybody else. If continuing to argue with one person isn't going to "further the cause much" then there are better things to do with your time.

Also, I think it's psychologically useful to give yourself some breathing space.

1. Let your allies step in and argue against them for a bit, instead of it just being a two-person back-and-forth. Helps your own morale and hurts theirs ;)

2. Take some time to reflect on the line of argument you're using. You may think up of better points after giving yourself time for analysis, instead of rushing to respond to everything within minutes ...that is, unless you actually want to inundate them with replies, just to show off the overwhelming force and power of your arguments - in which case, that can be good at demoralizing your opponents as well ;)

3. See if you can come up with new angles of attack. If the debate is devolving into standard arguments that the traditional "stalwarts" of the argument are always throwing at eachother, then your points are going to be no more effective than what was repeated in the past. Try to come up with an analysis that they may have never heard of before.

4. The arguments the other guy uses may actually be cover for some fear that they don't explicitly state. See if you can figure out any underlying motivations that they have, for a new angle of attack, rather than just scratching the surface of their standard arguments. For example, a capitalist may be against employee takeovers - not so much that they actually believe employees can't run the company just as well, but because they fear they'll be strung up and hanged on the day of the revolution. Yet they'll argue that employees are incompetent, instead of revealing their fear of death by the hands of their employees. If you're arguing against the wrong thing, you would never allay their fears.

[Ele'ill]

vegan animal lib threads i love them so much

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

vegan animal lib threads i love them so much

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[The Feral Underclass]

Actually scrap everything else. Sexism is my favourite RevLeft thing.