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Popular Front of Judea
6th August 2013, 21:10
Interesting article. Even more interesting is finding it on the Smithsonian website.

Friedrich Engels’ life appears replete with contradiction. He was a Prussian communist, a keen fox-hunter who despised the landed gentry, and a mill owner whose greatest ambition was to lead the revolution of the working class. As a wealthy member of the bourgeoisie, he provided, for nearly 40 years, the financial support that kept his collaborator Karl Marx at work on world-changing books such as Das Kapital. Yet at least one biographer has argued that while they were eager enough to take Engels’s money, Marx and his aristocratic wife, Jenny von Westphalen, never really accepted him as their social equal.

Amid these oddities lurks another—a puzzle whose solution offers fresh insights into the life and thinking of the midwife of Marxism. The mystery is this: Why did Engels, sent in 1842 to work in the English industrial city of Manchester, choose to lead a double life, maintaining gentleman’s lodgings in one part of the city while renting a series of rooms in workers’ districts? How did this well-groomed scion of privilege contrive to travel safely through Manchester’s noisome slums, collecting information about their inhabitants’ grim lives for his first great work, The Condition of the Working Class in England? Strangest of all, why—when asked many years later about his favorite meal—would a native German like Engels answer: “Irish stew”?

To answer these questions, we need to see Engels not as he was toward the end of his long life, the heavily bearded grand old man of international socialism, but as he was at its beginning. The Friedrich Engels of the 1840s was a gregarious young man with a facility for languages, a liking for drink and a preference for lively female company. (“If I had an income of 5,000 francs,” he once confessed to Marx, “I would do nothing but work and amuse myself with women until I went to pieces.”) It was this Engels who arrived in England in December 1842–sent there to help manage a factory part-owned by his wealthy father, by a family desperate to shield their young radical from the Prussian police. And it was this Engels who, to the considerable alarm of his acquaintances, met, fell for and, for the better part of two decades, covertly lived with an Irish woman named Mary Burns.

Burns’ influence on Engels—and hence on communism and on the history of the world in the past century—has long been badly underestimated. She makes at best fleeting appearances in books devoted to Engels, and almost none in any general works on socialism. And since she was illiterate, or nearly so, not to mention Irish, working-class and female, she also left only the faintest of impressions in the contemporary record. The sterling efforts of a few Manchester historians aside, almost nothing is known for certain about who she was, how she lived or what she thought. Yet it is possible, reading between the lines of Engels’ writings, to sense that she had considerable influence on several of her lover’s major works.

How Friedrich Engels’ Radical Lover Helped Him Father Socialism | Smithsonian

(http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/history/2013/08/how-friedirch-engels-radical-lover-helped-him-father-socialism/#ixzz2b8LbVCdL)

Comrade Jacob
6th August 2013, 21:16
lolwut?

Popular Front of Judea
6th August 2013, 21:20
Thank you for your incisive review Comrade Jacob.


lolwut?

Comrade Jacob
6th August 2013, 21:30
Thank you for your incisive review Comrade Jacob.

No problem, I just found that really odd.

Popular Front of Judea
6th August 2013, 21:36
Clearly you find the title humorous Comrade Jacob. Have you progressed on to reading it?

Omsk
6th August 2013, 21:38
to sense that she had considerable influence on several of her lover’s major works.So, she influenced him, yet she was illiterate and probably knew next to nothing about political economy? Please.. Now, there is nothing wrong with the idea that Engels had a women in England that he loved, but why make a "sensational" story about it? He was human after all. It is possible that he saw how hard her life was, and that could have given him a bit of inspiration to work and write about the conditions in which the working class lives and works, but to say that she influenced, for an example, "Anti-Duhring" is a bit much. Although, who knows, she might have had an influence on Engels, but let's give him the respect he deserves, (Not only him, but also Marry Burns) it's his private life. I don't like sensational stories like this one, but it's not uninteresting.

Brutus
6th August 2013, 21:39
When Mary died, Engels courted her sister.

Brandon's Impotent Rage
6th August 2013, 21:47
This isn't anything I find too surprising. Both Marx and Engels were the exact opposite of the stern, monk-like figures that the various 'communist' countries made them out to be. In fact, they were both strong lovers of wine, women and song. Marx loved him some alcohol, drinking on into the night while debating with individuals like Bakunin. Engels' son-in-law once described his wife's father as "the great beheader of champagne bottles"

And the women in their lives were indeed quite influential on them. Marx's wife Jenny was often both his biggest supporter and his harshest critic. I have no doubt that Ms. Burns had a similar influence on Engels.

Brutus
6th August 2013, 21:52
Referring to Brandon's post: Marx once went on a drunken spree through London with Wilhelm Liebknecht.

Brandon's Impotent Rage
6th August 2013, 21:54
Referring to Brandon's post: Marx once went on a drunken spree through London with Wilhelm Liebknecht.

Again, I wouldn't be surprised. The man loved his alcohol.

Popular Front of Judea
6th August 2013, 23:21
One of the many things that I find interesting in this article was how Mary Burns provided Engels entry to the Irish proletariat, both in England and in Ireland:


Edmund and Ruth Frow point out that Engels describes the Manchester slum district known as Little Ireland in such graphic detail that he must have known it; Mary, they argue, “as an Irish girl with an extended family…would have been able to take him around the slums…. If he had been on his own, a middle-class foreigner, it is doubtful he would have emerged alive, and certainly not clothed.”


Making the acquaintance of the Burns sisters also exposed Engels to some of the more discreditable aspects of the British imperialism of the period. Although born in England, Mary’s parents had been immigrants from Tipperary, in the south of Ireland. Her father, Michael, labored on and off as a cloth dyer, but ended his days in miserable poverty, spending the last 10 years of his life in a workhouse of the sort made notorious in Oliver Twist. This, combined with the scandal of the Great Famine that gripped Ireland between 1845 and 1850, and saw a million or more Irish men, women and children starve to death in the heart of the world’s wealthiest empire, confirmed the Burns sisters as fervent nationalists. Mary joined Engels on a brief tour of Ireland in 1856, during which they saw as much as two-thirds of the devastated country.

Sea
14th August 2013, 04:44
Clearly you find the title humorous Comrade Jacob. Have you progressed on to reading it?Duh. Of course he read the title, that's how he knows how funny it is!

Comrade Jacob
14th August 2013, 09:06
Duh. Of course he read the title, that's how he knows how funny it is!

The strange thing is I didn't realise the joke in the title until he pointed it out to me, I said "lolwut" at the information on Engels.