Hello, Revleft

[Vireya]

Hi, I'm Vireya. I've lurked around this site for a while and decided to finally join. I find your site's membership....interesting, to say the least. I look forward to participating in conversation here.

If you have any questions about me, feel free to ask.

[Q]

Welcome :)

If you have political questions, you can ask them in the Learning forum. That's why it's there after all!

If you have questions about your account, don't hesitate to send me a PM or ask here.

What are your political ideas (if any?). Where are you from and how's the left there like?

[Comrade Jacob]

Glad to see you've joined comrade.

[Vireya]

Welcome :)

If you have political questions, you can ask them in the Learning forum. That's why it's there after all!

If you have questions about your account, don't hesitate to send me a PM or ask here.

What are your political ideas (if any?). Where are you from and how's the left there like?

Well, I'm a syndicalist with rather syncretic social views. I'd stay I'm probably nowhere near as liberal as the majority of this site's members, but, I am staunchly anti-capitalist including those deceptive "social democrats".

I'm from North Carolina, and much like the rest of the US, most people are profit mongering capitalists.

[Ace High]

Welcome to our corner of the internet :grin:

[G4b3n]

Well, I'm a syndicalist with rather syncretic social views. I'd stay I'm probably nowhere near as liberal as the majority of this site's members, but, I am staunchly anti-capitalist including those deceptive "social democrats".

I'm from North Carolina, and much like the rest of the US, most people are profit mongering capitalists.

I have no idea what you mean when you say "liberal".
Socialists reject liberalism and reformism.

I would also like to ask why you don't believe that a woman should have control over her body?

What do you mean when you say "syndicalist"? I am curious if we are thinking of the same thing.

"Most people" are working people, the exploiters are a minority. Your 1 post is quite reactionary to say the least, I smell a troll.

[Vireya]

Liberal in the sense of libertarian social views. For me liberals are the US democrats and anything else to the social left of them.

If you mean my opposition to abortion, I don't believe abortion has any place in society. It is ethically wrong and nothing good can come of it. The pro-choice argument isn't even about "women controlling our bodies" it's about encouraging the populace to indulge in more sex. It's nothing more than an anti-natalist ploy to enrich abortion doctors and Planned Parenthood.

Uh, the same way any socialist would define it, a socialist doctrine advocating control of the means of production and distribution, and ultimately the government, by federated bodies of industrial workers.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

If you mean my opposition to abortion, I don't believe abortion has any place in society. It is ethically wrong and nothing good can come of it. The pro-choice argument isn't even about "women controlling our bodies" it's about encouraging the populace to indulge in more sex. It's nothing more than an anti-natalist ploy to enrich abortion doctors and Planned Parenthood.


Sorry to break it to you, but you will be restricted for this. Are you not aware of the board policy on this sort of reactionary drivel?

[Ace High]

Liberal in the sense of libertarian social views. For me liberals are the US democrats and anything else to the social left of them.

If you mean my opposition to abortion, I don't believe abortion has any place in society. It is ethically wrong and nothing good can come of it. The pro-choice argument isn't even about "women controlling our bodies" it's about encouraging the populace to indulge in more sex. It's nothing more than an anti-natalist ploy to enrich abortion doctors and Planned Parenthood.

Uh, the same way any socialist would define it, a socialist doctrine advocating control of the means of production and distribution, and ultimately the government, by federated bodies of industrial workers.

You literally have no place on this forum. Welcome taken back! :cool:

[Vireya]

Sorry to break it to you, but you will be restricted for this. Are you not aware of the board policy on this sort of reactionary drivel?

For having an opinion, I get restricted.....ok. Your site, your rules.

[Taters]

it's about encouraging the populace to indulge in more sex

What's wrong with sex and why's more of it bad?

But, no, you had it right the first time, it's all about bodily autonomy.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

For having an opinion, I get restricted.....ok. Your site, your rules.

I didn't make the rules. But opposition to the right to free access to abortion is grounds for restriction to opposing ideologies.

Pray tell, are you... sexually conservative, mayhap? Why else this fear that abortion will unleash some wave of the most base debauchery? Perhaps you don't want no sex unless it's for procreation?

[Vireya]

What's wrong with sex and why's more of it bad?

But, no, you had it right the first time, it's all about bodily autonomy.

Nothing is wrong with sex itself, however, a populace that is excessively preoccupied with it is.

Not really. That is a façade.

[Vireya]

I'm socially conservative in general (especially concerning sexuallity), with a few exceptions (being pro-gay marriage, and pro-LBGT). I'm a genuine socialist, I just happen to hold conservative social views. So yes, I'm not a fan of "sex positivity".

[Polaris]

I'm socially conservative in general (especially concerning sexuallity), with a few exceptions (being pro-gay marriage, and pro-LBGT). I'm a genuine socialist, I just happen to hold conservative social views. So yes, I'm not a fan of "sex positivity".
Am I the only one who finds this amusing coming from someone with Vireya's (suggestive) avatar?

[Taters]

Nothing is wrong with sex itself, however, a populace that is excessively preoccupied with it is.

Has civilization ever not been excessively preoccupied with it?


Not really. That is a façade.

A façade for your conspiracy theory that abortion doctors and Planned Parenthood are getting fat and rich... off of abortion?

If you'll forgive me saying, this is all nonsense. 'Syncretic' doesn't begin to cover it. 'Delusional' sounds closer to the mark.


Am I the only one who finds this amusing coming from someone with Vireya's (suggestive) avatar?

lol how didn't I see that before? okay, troll confirmed.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I'm socially conservative in general (especially concerning sexuallity), with a few exceptions (being pro-gay marriage, and pro-LBGT). I'm a genuine socialist, I just happen to hold conservative social views. So yes, I'm not a fan of "sex positivity".

I am not positive to sex, but I do not see this as having anything to do with abortion restrictions and legalistic moralism...

[G4b3n]

For having an opinion, I get restricted.....ok. Your site, your rules.

This is a site for leftists to discuss socialism, reactionaries are only welcome in the OI section.
It seems to me that you are genuine socialist who believes that women should not be at liberty to have abortions. All though that is like MLK advocating for racism, I do not believe you should be restricted for harboring a reactionary view pertaining to this topic.

[Vireya]

Am I the only one who finds this amusing coming from someone with Vireya's (suggestive) avatar?

Really? There isn't anything suggestive about my avatar. Unless, of course, you equate pictures of females with being somehow automatically suggestive.

[Rugged Collectivist]

Welcome.


I'm socially conservative in general

Why?

[G4b3n]

Welcome.



Why?

All though that is mind blowing today, it wasn't all that uncommon for socialists of the 19th century.
As for why, I can't answer that.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

All though that is mind blowing today, it wasn't all that uncommon for socialists of the 19th century.
As for why, I can't answer that.

Actually no it wasn't. While it's true that some socialists had reactionary positions (such as the anti-homosexual laws in Republican Spain), most socially progressive movements in the late 19th and early 20th century were spearheaded by the far left. One of the largest that stands out in history is the free-thought movement, which sought to criticize and destroy discriminatory and arbitrary cultural norms. It was utterly destroyed by the Nazis and it's membership prosecuted for belonging to the 'judeo-communist conspiracy'.

Also, Fetuses are balls of fucking slime! how the fuck do they take precedence over a woman's bodily autonomy? 'politically liberal socially conservative' That sounds like some True Finns shit.

Welcome to the forum and smoke weed every day. All day rock and roll, dope and fucking in the streets.

[G4b3n]

Actually no it wasn't. While it's true that some socialists had reactionary positions (such as the anti-homosexual laws in Republican Spain), most socially progressive movements in the late 19th and early 20th century were spearheaded by the far left. One of the largest that stands out in history is the free-thought movement, which sought to criticize and destroy discriminatory and arbitrary cultural norms. It was utterly destroyed by the Nazis and it's membership prosecuted for belonging to the 'judeo-communist conspiracy'.

Also, Fetuses are balls of fucking slime! how the fuck do they take precedence over a woman's bodily autonomy? 'politically liberal socially conservative' That sounds like some True Finns shit.

Welcome to the forum and smoke weed every day. All day rock and roll, dope and fucking in the streets.

Actually yes it was, I am not saying extremely common, but it was not uncommon.
I agree that the majority of socially progressive movements have been "spear headed" by the left, however, that does not contradict my assertion in the least.

[Vireya]

Welcome.



Why?

I personally believe liberalism, at least the modern variant, is destructive and perverse. For me it only makes sense for socialism to be conservative, for both ideologies are community and duty oriented.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I personally believe liberalism, at least the modern variant, is destructive and perverse. For me it only makes sense for socialism to be conservative, for both ideologies are community and duty oriented.

What is the community to the conservative? What is the duty? Duty to some abstraction of "society" that they created in their minds? Duty to who and to do what?

[Vireya]

What is the community to the conservative? What is the duty? Duty to some abstraction of "society" that they created in their minds? Duty to who and to do what?

What is the community to anyone? Their fellow citizens, the people they share their lives with.

Duty is to the collective progress and perpetual stability of society, and the destruction of anything that threatens it.

[Coggeh]

I personally believe liberalism, at least the modern variant, is destructive and perverse. For me it only makes sense for socialism to be conservative, for both ideologies are community and duty oriented.

I can understand your viewpoint. That sex etc is a vice and a distraction from socialist struggle, am i correct in saying that?

Whilst capitalist society pushes a skewed from of sex to the masses, pornography, prostitution and a general idea of sex that is basically the reflection of rampant sexist and disgusting patriarchial beliefs. Sex itself is natural and quite enjoyable if i say so myself.

The abortion issue is much more complex. I myself struggled with the issue when i was younger so I believe for some people its not so easy, depending on background etc, i grew up in a catholic household , went to a catholic school etc in Ireland, so abortion was a hard issue for me.

I don't think you're point about 'encouraging sex' can be a real reason for being critical of abortion, it doesn't encourage it, at all. There are no studies etc that even point in a soft direction towards that conclusion.

I may come as a shock to know that whilst you may be a socialist (maybe in a economical sense) that the abortion 'issue' is important to the revolutionary left. Because essentially abortion is part and parcel a part of the struggle for womens liberation in society.

What other problems with abortion do you have?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I personally believe liberalism, at least the modern variant, is destructive and perverse. For me it only makes sense for socialism to be conservative, for both ideologies are community and duty oriented.

Firstly, socialism is not an ideology. It is an economic system.

Secondly, 'community and duty oriented'? What the hell is this Confucian crap supposed to mean? What 'duty' does one owe the 'community', and how does it tie in with abortion and people having sex?

[Vireya]

I can understand your viewpoint. That sex etc is a vice and a distraction from socialist struggle, am i correct in saying that?

Whilst capitalist society pushes a skewed from of sex to the masses, pornography, prostitution and a general idea of sex that is basically the reflection of rampant sexist and disgusting patriarchial beliefs. Sex itself is natural and quite enjoyable if i say so myself.

The abortion issue is much more complex. I myself struggled with the issue when i was younger so I believe for some people its not so easy, depending on background etc, i grew up in a catholic household , went to a catholic school etc in Ireland, so abortion was a hard issue for me.

I don't think you're point about 'encouraging sex' can be a real reason for being critical of abortion, it doesn't encourage it, at all. There are no studies etc that even point in a soft direction towards that conclusion.

I may come as a shock to know that whilst you may be a socialist (maybe in a economical sense) that the abortion 'issue' is important to the revolutionary left. Because essentially abortion is part and parcel a part of the struggle for womens liberation in society.

What other problems with abortion do you have?

Yes, you've got it. Except I see society's proccupation with sex too be a distraction in general, not just the the socialist cause.

Abortion and the liberals that promote it do indeed encourage more sex with their horrid policies. Abortion absolves parents of not only their responsibility to defend the life of their offspring, but also to devalue the life of unborn humans. Not being held accountable for their actions they'll proceed tye have more sex with more parnters.

Sex is my secondary concern about abortion, however, my primary one is the dehumanization of the unborn and the anti-natalist tendencies within the "pro-choice" movement. I simply don't believe a woman or a man either, should have the legal authority to sentence a fetus to death. That is utterly sickening.

[d3crypt]

Yes, you've got it. Except I see society's proccupation with sex too be a distraction in general, not just the the socialist cause.

Abortion and the liberals that promote it do indeed encourage more sex with their horrid policies. Abortion absolves parents of not only their responsibility to defend the life of their offspring, but also to devalue the life of unborn humans. Not being held accountable for their actions they'll proceed tye have more sex with more parnters.

Sex is my secondary concern about abortion, however, my primary one is the dehumanization of the unborn and the anti-natalist tendencies within the "pro-choice" movement. I simply don't believe a woman or a man either, should have the legal authority to sentence a fetus to death. That is utterly sickening.
People being more happy is more important than having some "duty" to protect the fetus. The Earth has billions of people on it already. Whats so important about a stupid fetus. Why not focus on the people who are already alive.
Also, sex isn't a distraction, its an enjoyable activity. Being "pro life" is based in bourgeois morality that no leftist should buy into.

[Vireya]

Fuck the fetuses life. People being more happy is more important than having some "duty" to protect the fetus. Sex isn't a distraction, its an enjoyable activity. Being "pro life" is based in bourgeois morality that no leftist should buy into.

And...that's my point. People are slipping into this "fuck you. Me,me,me" mindset. Happiness and pleasure aren't inherently good as you seem to be implying. If that were the case, and you believe that "happiness" is the be all, then why are you a socialist? Why not be a social democrat, their liberal bread & circuses welfare system does just what you preach. Happiness and pleasure, the self over the collective.

One must analyze from what does ones "happiness" come, and what effect does encouraging such behavior have on the community? The individual and the community continuously influence one another.

Such pleasure seeking is anti-socialist. Pro-choice is a profit making ploy to exploit the lower classes and to proliferate the liberal propaganda. Pro-choice has not place within socialism.

[d3crypt]

And...that's my point. People are slipping into this "fuck you. Me,me,me" mindset. Happiness and pleasure aren't inherently good as you seem to be implying. If that were the case, and you believe that "happiness" is the be all, then why are you a socialist? Why not be a social democrat, their liberal bread & circuses welfare system does just what you preach. Happiness and pleasure, the self over the collective.

One must analyze from what does ones "happiness" come, and what effect does encouraging such behavior have on the community? The individual and the community continuously influence one another.

Such pleasure seeking is anti-socialist. Pro-choice is a profit making ploy to exploit the lower classes and to proliferate the liberal propaganda. Pro-choice has not place within socialism.
Thats ridiculous conspiracy crap. What doesn't make profit in our society. Should we stop buying food because it makes profit? I'm a communist because it makes sense. Social democracy is crap as all the changes it would makes are reversible and the structure of society would still oppressive and hierarchal. Being "pro life' is a reactionary position that means you think people shouldn't be able to control their own bodies. How is pleasure seeking anti socialist?!? Why not get as much pleasure as possible from our short little lives?

[G4b3n]

Thats ridiculous conspiracy crap. What doesn't make profit in our society. Should we stop buying food because it makes profit? I'm a communist because it makes sense. Social democracy is crap as all the changes it would makes are reversible and the structure of society would still oppressive and hierarchal. Being "pro life' is a reactionary position that means you think people shouldn't be able to control their own bodies. How is pleasure seeking anti socialist?!? Why not get as much pleasure as possible from our short little lives?

I am intrigued by the OPs views, you rarely see such a thing if he/she is not trolling.
Also, if pleasure seeking is anti-socialist, then we along with all socialists who have existed throughout history are all very shitty socialists.

[Vireya]

Thats ridiculous conspiracy crap. What doesn't make profit in our society. Should we stop buying food because it makes profit? I'm a communist because it makes sense. Social democracy is crap as all the changes it would makes are reversible and the structure of society would still oppressive and hierarchal. Being "pro life' is a reactionary position that means you think people shouldn't be able to control their own bodies. How is pleasure seeking anti socialist?!? Why not get as much pleasure as possible from our short little lives?

Food making is positive profit, it contributes to the functioning of society. I oppose negative profit, that which is made at the expense of public wełfare and society's stability. Capitalism thrives off negative profit, profit for profit's sake, the worship of wealth accumulation.

We agree on one thing at least, social democracy is shit.

I don't really like the "pro-life" label, it reeks of Republican religious mumbo jumbo. Not do I like "pro-choice" either, it's part of liberal brain melting propaganda trying to make themselves seem like "good guys" fights for women's rights, not like liberals actually give a shit about that.

I'm anti-abortion, and I'm not a reactionary.

If you want a life for pleasure seeking and self service, you should be a capitalist.

[d3crypt]

I am intrigued by the OPs views, you rarely see such a thing if he/she is not trolling.
Also, if pleasure seeking is anti-socialist, then we along with all socialists who have existed throughout history are all very shitty socialists.

Im guessing that she is probably a troll. I have heard of a pro life socialist before.

[d3crypt]

Food making is positive profit, it contributes to the functioning of society. I oppose negative profit, that which is made at the expense of public wełfare and society's stability. Capitalism thrives off negative profit, profit for profit's sake, the worship of wealth accumulation.

We agree on one thing at least, social democracy is shit.

I don't really like the "pro-life" label, it reeks of Republican religious mumbo jumbo. Not do I like "pro-choice" either, it's part of liberal brain melting propaganda trying to make themselves seem like "good guys" fights for women's rights, not like liberals actually give a shit about that.

I'm anti-abortion, and I'm not a reactionary.

If you want a life for pleasure seeking and self service, you should be a capitalist.

If abortion was not done for profit would you support it then?

[Vireya]

Im guessing that she is probably a troll. I have heard of a pro life socialist before.

I assure you, I'm not a troll.

[Vireya]

If abortion was not done for profit would you support it then?

No. As I stated before, I have more than one issue with Abortion. I highly doubt their is any arrangement that would make it acceptable to me.

[slum]

i dont mean this to sound condescending, but i am wondering how old you are. have you discussed politics with people outside of the internet? it is easy to accumulate a series of beliefs that each have a perceived internal consistency but contradict one another in practice. i think this is the case with trying to shoehorn reactionary 'socially conservative' viewpoints into a socialist analysis (though to be sure many try valiantly).

it's interesting to see such a combination of reactionary viewpoints. might i suggest that you engage with basic marxist economic theory for a few weeks and try to put aside questions of morality? a lot of what you are saying parrots conservative talking points that are at their roots pro-capitalist and idealist. they ignore facts and motivations re: abortion and sexual health as well as taking the bourgeois moralist stance that sex outside of capitalist family-unit reproduction is spiritually degrading and that A Life in the abstract (a fetus) is more valuable than life in reality (women who are exploited by capital and its concurrent social relations, and who have the potential for and interest in revolutionary action). your designation of all 'leftward of US Democrats' as 'liberal' indicates to me that you have not fully detached from the false image of politics presented by the ruling class and their media outlets. socialist theory is radical, and necessitates a detachment from that image. the people on this website are (mostly) in a process of unlearning and critiquingliberalism. this does not mean, as that false image of politics would suggest, moving socially rightwards. it means looking at social problems from a materialist and economic rather than moralist standpoint.

i'd hate to see you be restricted so quickly as it looks like you could learn a lot here, and you don't seem to be trolling. and at the risk of projecting too much, make sure your analysis of 'sex positivity' or hyper sexualized commercial culture comes from as neutral a position as possible. if you've had bad experiences with sex, are asexual, or simply dont enjoy sex/talking about sex like everyone else seems to etc, make sure you're not taking your personal issue and constructing a social/political stance to justify it. it's not necessary and very easily leads to contemptuous, reactionary viewpoints that can make you an unwitting tool of sexism. i speak from bitter experience.

but if you, at bottom, do kind of actually hate women, disregard all of the above and do not darken our door again.

[Vireya]

i dont mean this to sound condescending, but i am wondering how old you are. have you discussed politics with people outside of the internet? it is easy to accumulate a series of beliefs that each have a perceived internal consistency but contradict one another in practice. i think this is the case with trying to shoehorn reactionary 'socially conservative' viewpoints into a socialist analysis (though to be sure many try valiantly).

it's interesting to see such a combination of reactionary viewpoints. might i suggest that you engage with basic marxist economic theory for a few weeks and try to put aside questions of morality? a lot of what you are saying parrots conservative talking points that are at their roots pro-capitalist and idealist. they ignore facts and motivations re: abortion and sexual health as well as taking the bourgeois moralist stance that sex outside of capitalist family-unit reproduction is spiritually degrading and that A Life in the abstract (a fetus) is more valuable than life in reality (women who are exploited by capital and its concurrent social relations, and who have the potential for and interest in revolutionary action). your designation of all 'leftward of US Democrats' as 'liberal' indicates to me that you have not fully detached from the false image of politics presented by the ruling class and their media outlets. socialist theory is radical, and necessitates a detachment from that image. the people on this website are (mostly) in a process of unlearning and critiquingliberalism. this does not mean, as that false image of politics would suggest, moving socially rightwards. it means looking at social problems from a materialist and economic rather than moralist standpoint.

i'd hate to see you be restricted so quickly as it looks like you could learn a lot here, and you don't seem to be trolling. and at the risk of projecting too much, make sure your analysis of 'sex positivity' or hyper sexualized commercial culture comes from as neutral a position as possible. if you've had bad experiences with sex, are asexual, or simply dont enjoy sex/talking about sex like everyone else seems to etc, make sure you're not taking your personal issue and constructing a social/political stance to justify it. it's not necessary and very easily leads to contemptuous, reactionary viewpoints that can make you an unwitting tool of sexism. i speak from bitter experience.

but if you, at bottom, do kind of actually hate women, disregard all of the above and do not darken our door again.

Not you don't sound condescending, simply curious, that is understandable. When one is curious it is best to be forward with ones inquiries. I actually appreciate that you speak towards me in a respectful manner, as such I shall return that favor.

As for my age, well I'm probably older that most of this forum's membership. I'm old enough to be considered an adult, I'll leave it at that.

I'm am quite aware that my views aren't perfectly internally consistent (I draw inspiration from various philosophies), however, I'm not quite ready to call it quits on finding a way to completely reconcile my social conservative and socialist economic beliefs with eachother. I would rather exhaust all options before jumping ship into a non-conservative viewpoint.

I do agree with you on the point about relearning politics to break free from capitalist lies and deception, but I believe materialism, economics, and morality must be factored into any social issue inorder to completely address societal foes.

I'll say this about my views on sex, I believe that "casual sex" is an unnecessarily risky and filthy practice, it should be strongly discouraged. Outside of a commited relationship, it is a worthless pleasure seeking endeavor.

I'm must ask, what is it you mean by "capitalist family unit". Is the idea of family, and the integrity of the family unit in society frowned upon here?

[d3crypt]

i dont mean this to sound condescending, but i am wondering how old you are. have you discussed politics with people outside of the internet? it is easy to accumulate a series of beliefs that each have a perceived internal consistency but contradict one another in practice. i think this is the case with trying to shoehorn reactionary 'socially conservative' viewpoints into a socialist analysis (though to be sure many try valiantly).

it's interesting to see such a combination of reactionary viewpoints. might i suggest that you engage with basic marxist economic theory for a few weeks and try to put aside questions of morality? a lot of what you are saying parrots conservative talking points that are at their roots pro-capitalist and idealist. they ignore facts and motivations re: abortion and sexual health as well as taking the bourgeois moralist stance that sex outside of capitalist family-unit reproduction is spiritually degrading and that A Life in the abstract (a fetus) is more valuable than life in reality (women who are exploited by capital and its concurrent social relations, and who have the potential for and interest in revolutionary action). your designation of all 'leftward of US Democrats' as 'liberal' indicates to me that you have not fully detached from the false image of politics presented by the ruling class and their media outlets. socialist theory is radical, and necessitates a detachment from that image. the people on this website are (mostly) in a process of unlearning and critiquingliberalism. this does not mean, as that false image of politics would suggest, moving socially rightwards. it means looking at social problems from a materialist and economic rather than moralist standpoint.

i'd hate to see you be restricted so quickly as it looks like you could learn a lot here, and you don't seem to be trolling. and at the risk of projecting too much, make sure your analysis of 'sex positivity' or hyper sexualized commercial culture comes from as neutral a position as possible. if you've had bad experiences with sex, are asexual, or simply dont enjoy sex/talking about sex like everyone else seems to etc, make sure you're not taking your personal issue and constructing a social/political stance to justify it. it's not necessary and very easily leads to contemptuous, reactionary viewpoints that can make you an unwitting tool of sexism. i speak from bitter experience.

but if you, at bottom, do kind of actually hate women, disregard all of the above and do not darken our door again.

I'm so tired of us banning everyone who disagrees with us. Its kinda stalinist. I have learned so much from this site. Why alienate comrades?

[Consistent.Surprise]

Let's discuss her key points, since that thread moved here.

OP is:
Pro-life (anti-abortion)
Has issues with the freedom society has with sexuality.
Committed relationships, not casual, are ok
The fetus is a human & should be treated as such.
(If I miss any, OP, let me know)

Now, I disagree pretty much 100%. I'm pro-choice. I think as animals, we need to have sex & enjoy it a lot. We have access to contraception, which CAN help avoid pregnancy (I have been pregnant on the pill), which means we (society members) are taking responsibility to avoid unwanted circumstances AS WELL AS meet our animalistic wants. Committed relationships end & casual ones turn into relationships sometimes; the main judgement in either of these things must be consent. ALWAYS. I view any animal that cannot live outside of the womb as not born; it may be a human fetus but isn't an independently breathing fetus (which to me is baby).

I obviously don't agree with OP except for the fact that media gives young girls the thumbs up to a) act stupid to get the boy, b) wear this sheer thing while your breasts are shoved up to your neck, c) you are here to pop out babies but don't lose your figure, oh AND d) you're a slut if you have any form of casual sex (yes, OP is against casual sex, I know. This more media perpetuated standards for women)

[d3crypt]

OP is:
Pro-life (anti-abortion)
Has issues with the freedom society has with sexuality.
Committed relationships, not casual, are ok
The fetus is a human & should be treated as such.
(If I miss any, OP, let me know)

I would like to know why the OP thinks that sex is counter revolutionary and capitalist. I always thought sexual liberation and revolution went hand in hand.

decTvJ4bgXo

[#FF0000]

I'm so tired of us banning everyone who disagrees with us. Its kinda stalinist. I have learned so much from this site. Why alienate comrades?

Folks who don't believe in bodily autonomy for women aren't our comrades.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I believe that "casual sex" is an unnecessarily risky and filthy practice,

Why is sex "filthy," and what do you mean by "filthy"?


it should be strongly discouraged. Why should it be strongly discouraged? If you personally don't like sex, don't have it. How would you control this discouragement, so that it doesn't get out of control? Are women who have "filthy" and immoral sex "whores" or "sluts" and do you believe they should be shamed for it?


Outside of a commited relationship, it is a worthless pleasure seeking endeavor.
If it's a fun pleasurable activity, why is that different from watching a movie or playing a video game?


I'm must ask, what is it you mean by "capitalist family unit". Is the idea of family, and the integrity of the family unit in society frowned upon here?The bourgeois family is generally frowned upon here. It relies on the dependence of women on man and thus on an economic system that allows for that, i.e. capitalism.

[Consistent.Surprise]

I would like to know why the OP thinks that sex is counter revolutionary and capitalist. I always thought sexual liberation and revolution went hand in hand.

decTvJ4bgXo

From what I have gleaned it's more the screwing to screw not because you care & are attracted. Not sure though. My thought: screw, protect yourself, terminate if necessary

[d3crypt]

Folks who don't believe in bodily autonomy for women aren't our comrades.

Its possible for us to change her mind

[#FF0000]

Its possible for us to change her mind

Yup -- in the OI forum.

[slum]

which does seem to be where the user in question belongs, alas.

can they still see this thread? i wont bother replying if not, but i hate to pass up a chance to ramble on about the nuclear family unit in capitalism.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Outside of a commited relationship, it is a worthless pleasure seeking endeavor.

Had a bit of a bad break-up, did we?

[Polaris]

which does seem to be where the user in question belongs, alas.

can they still see this thread? i wont bother replying if not, but i hate to pass up a chance to ramble on about the nuclear family unit in capitalism.
you're missing one: http://www.revleft.com/vb/have-stable-population-t182478/index.html?t=182478

[G4b3n]

I am also sick of seeing leftists who aren't socialist enough being banned or restricted.
I agree that there is no place for liberals here because it is a forum for socialists but we ought to end the revleft purges.

[Sperm-Doll Setsuna]

I am also sick of seeing leftists who aren't socialist enough being banned or restricted.
I agree that there is no place for liberals here because it is a forum for socialists but we ought to end the revleft purges.

Good for you, go discuss with some liberals and conservatives and see how productive that is.

[G4b3n]

Good for you, go discuss with some liberals and conservatives and see how productive that is.

I said, I realize this is a site for socialists. However, it seems any socialist with even one reactionary viewpoint is banned or restricted.

[#FF0000]

I said, I realize this is a site for socialists. However, it seems any socialist with even one reactionary viewpoint is banned or restricted.

It's basically "be whatever except racist or sexist". Being against abortion rights is, in itself, sexist. I think OI is appropriate.

[G4b3n]

It's basically "be whatever except racist or sexist". Being against abortion rights is, in itself, sexist. I think OI is appropriate.

I think that is a bit of a stretch, honestly.

[BIXX]

I am also sick of seeing leftists who aren't socialist enough being banned or restricted.
I agree that there is no place for liberals here because it is a forum for socialists but we ought to end the revleft purges.

The point is to be revolutionary, not reactionary.

[Q]

User is restricted.

Closed.