Originally posted by Exploited
[email protected] 13 2004, 09:13 AM
I was against it, I just wasn't on a message board at the time to argue against Clinton's actions. You really must stop thinking we are democrats.
Also, when Clinton did it, he didn't have a giant build up soldiers in the region over a month long period. It was an overnight bombing then it was over, we didn't even know it was going to happen. Everybody was caught off guard, but the press did whip him for doing so. I am assuming that you are speaking of the bombing he did while going through the impeachment process.
I don't understand you saying that it is the military's war and not Bush's. He made the speeches to bolster support for this, he made the direct remarks at axis of evil, he ordered the troops, he asked for the senate's support. I think this is very much his war and he is the one that flew in onto a war ship to claim "Mission Accomplished" his mission.
I was talking about democrats and people on this board. I did not make the assumption that everyone here is a democrat, I was just pointing out hwo stupid democrats are, when they dont do shit when clintion bombed an aspirin factory in sudan and bombing iraq 2 times, but protest about bush' war.
I remember he did 2 bombings of iraq, and on a separate occasion they bombed an aspirin fatory in Sudan. That is an outrage, an aspirin factory??? :o
About the war being the militaries war, I mean the plans to invade Iraq where probably already their before Bush took office, why would they bomb iraq 2 times during the clinton era?. Bout bush did give the order to attack, si i guess we can say its his war.
Yes in the great nation of China, North korea, USSR, cuba .... he would of been executed by now. JAJAJA, the thing is all of you would of justified that execution by calling the whistle blower a traitor.
You really need to drop this all communists are evil shit, it is getting really old. A lot of us believe in a transparent government and that whistle blowers bad thing only because they are needed when a government is withholding truths from the public. I don't like whistle blowers because them existing means that something is wrong with the correct information flow from the powers that be, to the people below.
There is a big difference between whistler blowers and traitors. Traitors do something in an effort to do harm to a nation, now what dictates harm is blurry and definable by whatever group would be harmed.
In fact, anybody still even using old terms like traitor, is still set in that belief system that there are clear definitions of evil and bad people. Traitor terms are used by the upperclass and passed down to the lowerclass, for protection. Label somebody a traitor, the next worse thing to the devil, and there will be a witch burning at noon by all die hard patriots.
It isn't just other nations don't just throw around that word lightly, America uses it a lot and all the time to label people it feels are a threat or poses a threat or even dislike.
Another question for you El_Profe, do you set the bar of the United States by what other countries do? So long as America doesn't do something 'as bad' as another nation you dislike, then it is okay?
If you think N. Korea would label this person a traitor and kill them, why would they do that? Do you think they are doing it to get back at a traitor or to use fear as a weapon to keep others from repeating the same step.
Now if America is using its Treasury Dept to investigate and cause fear and in the end intimidates others from doing the same (whistle blow, tell the truth, transparent government) isn't it just as bad N. Korea? Perhaps not killing the person, but achieving the same desirable level of fear and intimidation through different means.
I dont ser a bar with the USA, I actually look at the facts and see that human rights have been violated by the USA, but the USSR, China, North , Korea, have also done it, and more than the USA. They have oppresive dictators, that kill or throw in jail anyone who has different political views and wants to talk about his different political views.