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SonofRage
12th January 2004, 08:34
I've been revisiting the draft program of the older, openly anti-capitalist Greens/Green Party USA (http://www.greenparty.org) and I came across something I had never seen before. This concept of "Democratic Decentralism" that makes the Greens anarchist roots apparent. Check it out:




Democratic Decentralism

While accountability runs from the bottom up, requiring leadership to carry out membership decision or step down from leadership, the top cannot tell the bottom what to do in the Green Party. The Green Party respects the autonomy of its local and state organizations and the rights of both the majority and minority on any question. The majority has the right to set policy and expect the leadership to carry it out. The minority has the right to abstain from implementing policies with which they disagree and to criticize them publicly.

The Greens call this "democratic decentralism." It means:

1. protection of the right of minorities to abstain from implementing majority decisions with which they disagree and to dissent from them publicly;

2. protection of the right of majorities to see that their decisions are the official organizational position; and

3. protection of the right of majorities to see that their decision are actually implemented by requiring that Greens in responsible positions-candidates, public and party office holders, spokespeople, delegates to councils and conventions, and staff-are obligated to carry through organizational policies even though they may personally disagree with them (or obligated to resign from the position of responsibility if carrying through a policy would violate their conscience).

This structure of democratic decentralism enables the party to act on majority views without requiring conformity. It encourages democratic debate by affording minority views the opportunity to continue discussion and perhaps become a majority view in time.

Democratic decentralism differs fundamentally from both the democratic centralism of the Leninist Communist parties and the total lack of democratic accountability in the Social Democratic and corporate parties.

Under Leninist democratic centralism, every member must carry out the majority line on every question, whether they agree with it or not. This structure sacrifices public transparency of internal debates (and hence public trust) to compulsory unity in action. It also tends to create constant splitting over political differences and to stifle free and open debate within the party.

Democratic decentralism also contrasts with the irresponsible structures of the American corporate parties as well as the Social Democratic parties of other countries. These parties' structures are lacking in democratic accountability. No one-not candidates, public and party officials, sometimes not even staff-is obligated to follow party platforms or other organizational policies established by the majority of the membership. A classic example is the UK Labor Party members of parliament who constantly defied the party manifesto adopted by the majority of delegates from trade unions and locals. For example, the manifesto called for unilateral nuclear disarmament, but the Labor Party members of parliament consistently voted for nuclear arms expenditures, saying they were accountable to the whole electorate, not their party's members.

In the American corporate parties, there is not even a pretence of accountability. Here, party politicians have no accountability to party organizations. Basing themselves on independently financed candidate committees, they are easily able to disregard party platforms simply by winning primary elections, This system sacrifices rank-and-file democracy to the careerism of self-seeking politicians and their campaign cadre seeking the spoils of victory. These entrepreneurial politicians sell out party positions in order to trade political favors for private campaign donations and to appeal to a broader voter base as indicated by polls.

Under the Greens' structure of democratic decentralism, internal debate is publicly transparent, dissent is encouraged, state and local party organizations have autonomy, and unity in action is voluntary. Significant minority dissent is a signal to the majority that further development of positions is needed to broaden unity in action. By the same token, majority decisions actually affect organizational policy and behavior.

This can be viewed in the section of the Green Party USA's draft program entitled Green Party Democracy (http://www.greenparty.org/program/grndemo.html)

Thoughts? (crossposted on Another World is Possible (http://awip.proboards23.com)

Kez
12th January 2004, 10:06
maybe its the reason they get nowhere...

SonofRage
12th January 2004, 11:49
I'm thinking this probably belongs in the Theory section. Oops.

Pete
12th January 2004, 17:29
Kez, they are actually gaining ground in leaps and bounds in Canada, and perhaps in 5 years, or less, they will have seats in atleast one legistlature.

I'll move this to theory.

SonofRage
12th January 2004, 23:03
That is true, the Greens are growing. In the US, there are about 170 Greens holding various local offices last time I checked. The Greens also nearly won the race for Mayor in San Fransisco about a month ago.

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
13th January 2004, 00:40
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 08:03 PM
That is true, the Greens are growing. In the US, there are about 170 Greens holding various local offices last time I checked. The Greens also nearly won the race for Mayor in San Fransisco about a month ago.
I assume then, that means the republicans won?

SonofRage
13th January 2004, 01:21
Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Jan 12 2004, 07:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Jan 12 2004, 07:40 PM)
[email protected] 12 2004, 08:03 PM
That is true, the Greens are growing. In the US, there are about 170 Greens holding various local offices last time I checked. The Greens also nearly won the race for Mayor in San Fransisco about a month ago.
I assume then, that means the republicans won? [/b]
No, the Green candidate lost 53%-47% (133,546-119,329) to a Democrat. They actually had to bring in Gore and Clinton to campaign for the Democrat because they were shitting their pants at the thought of losing to a Green.

timbaly
13th January 2004, 01:34
Originally posted by MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr+Jan 12 2004, 08:40 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr @ Jan 12 2004, 08:40 PM)
[email protected] 12 2004, 08:03 PM
That is true, the Greens are growing. In the US, there are about 170 Greens holding various local offices last time I checked. The Greens also nearly won the race for Mayor in San Fransisco about a month ago.
I assume then, that means the republicans won? [/b]
San Fransico is the most liberal of all the American big cities. I don&#39;t think a republican would have a very good chance of being elected in such a city. It&#39;s good to see a third party actually got more than 40% of the votes, too bad they couldn&#39;t win the election.

antieverything
14th January 2004, 06:19
Was this a Green candidate or a Green Party candidate?

...or are they fused yet atonomous organizations?

SonofRage
14th January 2004, 06:44
The candidate was a Green Party of the US candidate. I once sent an email to the GPUSA asking whether they were still independent or if they now serve as the GP-US&#39;s left-wing. Here is the response I got:



Yes, we are the left wing of the Greens. We do mostly movement work, although
there are several states, Missouri and New York which are affiliated(in the
case of NY, dually)that do run candidates. There may be others, but NY and MO
are the main ones.

革命者
18th January 2004, 11:21
Decentralisation is one of the Greens cornerstones. But it fails almost anywhere because they try to profile themselves as a moderate left wing party; "social-liberals" if you like. Despite the name they are in most countries still hoovering left from the social-democrats.

In times of war they tend to copy what the big social-democrat parties say, and in this time that means they go to war if america wants them to.

Because they are decentralised they don&#39;t focus on any global issues whatsoever.

And, of course, protection of the enviroment (but still to much focussed on the local environment), is, with good reasons, also one of their main issues.

Áll things said are of course very grosso modo. Some Greens work more to the left, others more in the center of the political spectrum.

Because in the US you don&#39;t have any serious socialist party acting succesfully in the US parliamentary/political system the Greens can profile themselves as relatively left wing.

apathy maybe
18th January 2004, 23:52
The Greens in Australia (and presumably the rest of the world), promote social justice as the way to get environmental justice. While we still have a unfair economic system, we can&#39;t have a society where the environment is treasured. This is very true.

anjali
19th January 2004, 06:03
Democratic Decentralism cannot be judged through people who have not been in the party of the greens. You have to have experience in ordr to critisize it. I havent. But i would be very excited to meet one who has. Especially one who has had experience of being in the green party in a country so capitalistic as Australia.&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Pete
24th January 2004, 19:08
Anjali,

I am not in the greens, but in an organization that operates on similar process outside of the electorial realms. The process works, as the power is in the hands of each collective, instead of in the hands of the a centralized authority.

The reason centralized authority is wrong is because it, at some level, assumes everyone to be &#39;average&#39; or the capibility of the &#39;average human&#39; to exist. This theory, which began in the 19th century and has been used to oppress people, is one of the tag alongs of capitalism. A problem with democratic centralizism, and other forms of leftist government is that they are still cetnralized, still passing generic laws thinking that people are generic.

We are not, and those those experiments fail.

-Pete

ps, is your name in relation any way to the very intelligent Indian classical dancer Anjali? (she is the smartest non indian hinduist i have been lectured by)

革命者
24th January 2004, 20:29
well, if you decentralize it, Pete, you get collectives which think they&#39;re all "average bodies", which results in every collective looking out only for itself rather than serving the interest of all people, in their belief that the other collectives have the same amount of influence as they do to act in matters that go beyond the local - internal - issues. And the thing that began in the 19th century was a whole lot better (read: more democratic) than the aristocracy of the 17th and 19th centuries. That this more democratic system is (now) being used to oppress people is the result of society being divided in classes, not the system itself.

Even if we have a socialist state (anarcho or not) the system can be used to attain power over people, disregarding any form of democracy. But the thing is, in a socialist state, the majority or the majority which has organised themselves are socialists, and by being so damn well organised have taken the power over the system, and whether one man or a 1000 men, represent them isn&#39;t important, as long he is a socialist and knows what&#39;s best for the people.

革命者
24th January 2004, 20:33
the bottomline is: every system can be corrupted, but only the most evidently so, is good enough.

This statement follows out of my firm belief that the most important feature of a communist society is trust.

anjali
25th January 2004, 20:50
Well Pete i would never imagine that anybody knew her. So u have my regards for that. I would very much like to thank you about ur comments, though i do share some points of æ especially the last one.&#33;&#33; Thank you again Pete.
-anjali
PS. Bravo for knowing the dancer&#33; Do u know what it means by the way? the word anjali as a word and not as a name? If u do then my friend u are worth alot of adulation&#33;&#33;

Pete
27th January 2004, 01:36
Anjali is sanskrit for coming together, or joining hands, or something of the such, no? I know the dancer because she guest lectured in one of my courses last term and taught us some simple dance techniques. The lecture was on Siva, obviously as that is her speciality being a dancer and all.

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well, if you decentralize it, Pete, you get collectives which think they&#39;re all "average bodies",

To decentralize something it already has to be centralized, right? And that is the problem, the centralization. Instead groups should grow independantly in their own communities (such as how the Green party and the PIRG&#39;s work) and thus don&#39;t become &#39;average bodies&#39; after being cut out of a larger body, but are each unique and representative of the community which spawned it.

The difference is going from the general to specific in the way I think you are thinking about it, instead of the specific to the general in my line of thought (Descartes vs Bacon on the scientific method is where these terms are from, they seemed simpliest).


That this more democratic system is (now) being used to oppress people is the result of society being divided in classes, not the system itself.

It has always been used to rule society divided by class. The current liberal democracies came about out of bourgeoisie revolutions (some peaceful, many not) which ousted feudal/autocratic hereditary rule inplace of a forum for the middle class. Only in the mid 20th century did it began to become as egalitarian as the 2nd (or is it 3rd? french have too many numbers) Republic in France, but we all know where that ended up. Emperor Napolean III.

To assume that the liberal democratic system had those at the bottom in mind when it was created is to be unaware of the forces at hand 200, 170, and 150 years ago when many of these changes where occuring. The wealthy middle class who could not afford to buy titles wanted to have political power, and limited the vote as such. Also were a broader base could vote other systems where put in place to limit there influence, such as electors. To my knowledge only the United States has this archaic system still in use.


the bottomline is: every system can be corrupted


the most important feature of a communist society is trust.

I concur with both. If you will bleed for your comrade and s/he will bleed for you, then you know you can trust them in times of peace.

-Pete