FOX idiot cant understand why a muslim scholar would write a book about jezus...

[Sasha]

this must be one of the most cringe worthy pieces of "journalism" i have ever seen, hats off to the interviewed guy for not cutting this short with an "listen you stupid idiot, jezus is not only a person of relevance for all religious scholars he is also an important prophet in islam you daft piece of ignorant racist shit"

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[Bostana]

I watched this earlier.
She was a moron. SHe kept saying "why would a muslim write about the founder of Christianity?" She was too stupid too realize the Jesus (Isa) is a prophet in Islam. Not only that, but jesus never actually founded Christianity. Old men in rome did, about 300 years after Jesus

[Paul Pott]

I watched this earlier.
She was a moron. SHe kept saying "why would a muslim write about the founder of Christianity?" She was too stupid too realize the Jesus (Isa) is a prophet in Islam. Not only that, but jesus never actually founded Christianity. Old men in rome did, about 300 years after Jesus

Actually no they didn't. You're thinking about when it became the state religion, not the centuries of persecution when it was one of the favorite scapegoats for unrest and natural disaster.

[Bostana]

Actually no they didn't.

Actually yes they did.
Jesus was never recognized as a God until about 300 years after his death. Before that he was recognized as a prophet, and was honored as such. As the Church of Arian could tell you

[Rural Comrade]

Jesus's immediate followers did if your going by the bible else wise it was just unorganized for a bit as a prophet at least. Regardless isnt the thing about Jesus being a prophet in Islam common sense now?

[Paul Pott]

Actually yes they did.
Jesus was never recognized as a God until about 300 years after his death. Before that he was recognized as a prophet, and was honored as such. As the Church of Arian could tell you

No, the Arians were considered heretics by the Nicene Christians, which was one of the sources of conflict between the conquered Romans and the new barbarian elite after the fall of the western empire.

[Mass Grave Aesthetics]

Our Journalist: "I haven´t read your book (and never will) but here are some quotes from people who disagree with you just to give my prejudiced indignation a semblance of credibility".

[Bostana]

No, the Arians were considered heretics by Rome,
Right because they DID NOT recognize Jesus as GOD and Rome did
Which is what I said

[Paul Pott]

Which doesn't make any sense considering the basis of Jesus' cult from the beginning was that he was the son of god.

[Bostana]

Which doesn't make any sense considering the basis of Jesus' cult from the beginning was that he was the son of god.

No it wasn't.
The whole son of god thing was added hundreds of years later. Enough time for paganism to mix in with Christianity. As we see the similarities through ancient paganism in modern day Christianity

[Zukunftsmusik]

I need a pillow, this is so embarrassing

[Paul Pott]

Where are you getting this?

At any rate, according to Wikipedia Arianism did not deny that Jesus was the son of god, but it claimed that he was another of god's creations, instead of a thing equal to god. Which is why Catholicism hated it, because it considers Jesus and god the father the same exact thing.

That's not the same as saying he was a prophet, like Islam.

[Sasha]

They did argue about this shit for most of the first 1000 years though: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity

[Bostana]

Where are you getting this?.
Common knowledge of Ancient Christianity

At any rate, according to Wikipedia Arianism .
The almighty Wikipedia?


because it considers Jesus and god the father the same exact thing.
Arianism views Jesus and THe father as two seperate beings. And the father should be reviewed as god and not Jesus.
The council of Nicene was declared to "put an end to the heresy" And they put it to a vote, as there were more Catholics than Arians

[Flying Purple People Eater]

This is just like some people where I live.

I'm surprised they're even given airtime on television. This is fucking insulting and ridiculous.

[Paul Pott]

Wikipedia is fine for general information about most things.

I see what you're saying, but the fact is Jesus was always considered the son of God by all Christians, whose job was to redeem humanity by dying. He wasn't seen as a prophet.

[Os Cangaceiros]

Only good part of that "interview" was the brief discussion of Jesus as insurrectionary against the Roman state. I wish that had been discussed more.

[Bostana]

I see what you're saying, but the fact is Jesus was always considered the son of God by all Christians, whose job was to redeem humanity by dying. He wasn't seen as a prophet.
You're probably right on that. About Jesus being a prophet.

But he wasn't always considered to be God

[Zostrianos]

They did argue about this shit for most of the first 1000 years though: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy_in_Christianity

They murdered each other over it too:
"Our sources for the two and a quarter centuries following Nicaea allow a very rough count of the victims of credal differences: not less than twenty five thousand deaths. A great many, but still only a small minority, were clergy; the rest, participants in crowds...All those who died met their end irregularly as targets of fury, not of legal action. Of bishops who died for their faith while in the custody of the secular powers, the examples can be counted on the fingers of one hand." (Ramsay Macmullen "Voting about God in early church councils", p 56)

Also: “the century opened by the Peace of the Church, more Christians died for their faith at the hands of fellow Christians than had died before in all the persecutions.” (R. Macmullen: Christianity & Paganism in the Fourth to Eighth Centuries p 14)

As for Jesus as the son of God, this is already alluded to in the gospels (in Mark for instance, which interestingly is the oldest gospel of all), but it was Paul who really pushed the idea. So only a few decades after Jesus' death, Paul and some of his followers (probably the same people who added fictitious passages in the Gospels) began spreading the idea that he was the son of God.

[Rafiq]

I always found the allegations that the story of Jesus was actually allegory to Julius Caesar the most interesting. But I don't think we should concern ourselves with religious reactionaries. A Muslim scholar should be shown no mercy as a Christian scholar. It's 2013. Religious intellectuals don't have a place among the Left. They're reactionaries. You have to remember that so called "Muslim scholars" are reactionaries, even within the context of your average modern Muslim community. This thread reeks of western orientalism.

[TheStone]

Fox News puts people in front of the camera that are stupid enough to not intimidate their audience. Don't get me wrong, this a general tendency on TV, but Fox News' target audience means that they really have to <ahem> up their game.

[Zealot]

I feel honored that Reza wrote a book about me. Also great work handling that idiot on fox news, I felt embarrassed for her just watching it.

[fahadsul3man]

its fox news what else do you expect from it other than stupidity :D

[Comrade Jacob]

It's funny how Jesus is mentioned more times in the Koran than Mohammed himself. I wouldn't expect many American Christians to know that.

[brigadista]

that interview made me want to read the book

[bcbm]

I always found the allegations that the story of Jesus was actually allegory to Julius Caesar the most interesting. But I don't think we should concern ourselves with religious reactionaries. A Muslim scholar should be shown no mercy as a Christian scholar. It's 2013. Religious intellectuals don't have a place among the Left. They're reactionaries. You have to remember that so called "Muslim scholars" are reactionaries, even within the context of your average modern Muslim community. This thread reeks of western orientalism.

well if you watch the video he goes to great lengths to point out he is a religious studies scholar specializing in christianity who happens to be a muslim, not a muslim scholar. many of his conclusions disagree with islam's view of jesus.

[CarolinianFire]

This interview was not only an amusing showing of how stupid the American right-wing is to listen to women like this. But also a interview which got me to buy what turned out to be a terrific and interesting read. I'm glad this is getting a lot of attention, maybe some people will finally snap out of it and stop listening to these ignorant fools.

[synthesis]

I always found the allegations that the story of Jesus was actually allegory to Julius Caesar the most interesting. But I don't think we should concern ourselves with religious reactionaries. A Muslim scholar should be shown no mercy as a Christian scholar. It's 2013. Religious intellectuals don't have a place among the Left. They're reactionaries. You have to remember that so called "Muslim scholars" are reactionaries, even within the context of your average modern Muslim community. This thread reeks of western orientalism.

The point of the criticism of the interview is that she's asserting that his Muslim background automatically invalidates his academic research into the historical Jesus. I don't believe he's a "Muslim scholar" in the sense of, say, being a faqih or muhaddith or whatever, which I'm assuming you're referring to.

[Baseball]

The point of the criticism of the interview is that she's asserting that his Muslim background automatically invalidates his academic research into the historical Jesus. I don't believe he's a "Muslim scholar" in the sense of, say, being a faqih or muhaddith or whatever, which I'm assuming you're referring to.

It was a sloppy, embarrassing interview by somebody who did not understand what she was talking about.

However, the interview was based upon criticism of the reception that the book received. The reception being that it was some sort of new interpretation of the life and times of Jesus, and the critique being that it is standard boilerplate interpretation of Jesus by Moslem scholars.

[synthesis]

It was a sloppy, embarrassing interview by somebody who did not understand what she was talking about.

However, the interview was based upon criticism of the reception that the book received. The reception being that it was some sort of new interpretation of the life and times of Jesus, and the critique being that it is standard boilerplate interpretation of Jesus by Moslem scholars.

The criticism was that, as a Muslim, he would automatically have a biased approach based on the fact that Muslims don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, as opposed to the people criticizing him.

[khad]

well if you watch the video he goes to great lengths to point out he is a religious studies scholar specializing in christianity who happens to be a muslim, not a muslim scholar. many of his conclusions disagree with islam's view of jesus.
Gosh darn. I thought this would be about the Muslim endtimes with Jesus landing in Damascus from heaven in order to help lead the army of the Mahdi against the forces of the Dajjal.

[NGNM85]

Reza Aslan should be commended for the way he kept his cool while being assaulted by the ignorance, and islamophobia of the host. I doubt I would have been able to stay so calm, and collected, under similar circumstances.

[greenforest]

Arius believed Jesus was a deity, and he was the minority opinion. There are Christian writings from the first and second century anyone could cite to disprove that Jesus was never worshiped until three centuries later.

[Klaatu]

The whole son of god thing was added hundreds of years later.


True (Council of Nicea)



Enough time for paganism to mix in with Christianity. As we see the similarities through ancient paganism in modern day Christianity

This is why Christmas is near the Winter Solstice, the early Christians invited the pagans to celebrate the coming of the SUN (longer days ahead) Also, Easter was a celebration of Spring, and new life (actually Easter's date is calculated in a given year based upon phases of the moon, common practice to ancient pagan religions, which worshiped the sky and other things)