Mexicans now being recruited into Fascism?

[kodilove]

This is something that has turned up I have witnessed through drama some of my comrades and I have been caught up in the crossfire over.

Basically, there's a group on the internet called ONSP, which is a pathetic excuse of an 'organization' that some of these new Mexican 'Nationalists' have organized over the internet. I read about it, and from what I have read they are beyond historically inaccurate. They are in support of racial diversity, yet they are Nazis? They also support such things like the Westboro Babtist Church, Anton Lavey (I thought nationalist scum bags didn't like him?), and other bizarre things. As well as them being tolerant towards homosexuals, anti-'Zionist' Jews, etc. They claim to be this superior 'Bronze' race of Aztecs as well. :laugh:

With this said, the question I am asking is if anyone else has heard of this? This is extremely... Odd. Beyond retarded if you ask me.

[Rafiq]

The only thing that worries me is your offensive choice of wording.

[RedBen]

this has got to be the most asinine thing i read all day. i would tell them to pick up a book

[Ace High]

This is a very stupid movement. First of all, they support Westboro scum, yet they are ok with lgbt individuals? Hey, at least they claim they are ok with that, but it also shows a complete lack of ideological coherence.

I guess it goes to show that wherever there are national borders, there will always be nationalists, however bizarre and ridiculous their movements may be.

[DasFapital]

Internet's gonna Internet I guess...

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Not as bad as eco-nazis.

[tachosomoza]

The original NSDAP would not approve and would have them herded off to labor/extermination camps. A non-white running around calling themselves a Nazi obviously doesn't know much about the ideology and practices of real Nazis.

[Brutus]

Beyond retarded
What a great way to finish off your first post.

[bcbm]

this sounds like a stupid group but i don't think there is anything new or shocking about it. there have been fascists in mexico since the 1930's.

[Comrade Jacob]

It's on the internet, it's probably just 1 or 2 people with blow-up Adolf Hitler dolls (with "movable parts":laugh:) who just make duplicate accounts to make them feel a part of something.

[Anti-White]

Anyone that has lived in Texas or California, has their head out of their ass and ear to the ground is not surprised by this. There are lots of Mexican -- and other Latino -- kids that this retarded shit appeals to. I've seen it.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

So I googled the words 'ONSP Mexico' and the closest I got to anything substantial were a few last.fm links and some metal song on youtube with it's name in Nahuatl. No websites pertaining to an actual organisation (outside some metal band) to be found.

Is this really a group? It sounds more like a college band with a nationalistic romanticist complex. I mean I'd give them kudos for singing a song in Nahuatl though - that's pretty rare and wonderful, but the whole cultist nazi metal shit puts that talent to such a waste.

[MarxSchmarx]

Beyond retarded if you ask me.


Anyone that has lived in Texas or California, has their head out of their ass and ear to the ground is not surprised by this. There are lots of Mexican -- and other Latino -- kids that this retarded shit appeals to. I've seen it.

This is a verbal warning to both of you for using "retarted" in a pejorative sense like this. It is discriminatory language that should be eschewed by the left.

Also anti-white, I am a bit troubled by your post. Why Texas or California? Is it because of their large Latino population? It rather seems like you are insinuating that wherever there are large numbers of people of Latin American descent, fascist sentiment becomes widespread enough to be detectable. If so, I trust you can see how this plays into the hands of anti-immigration bigots.

[RedBen]

i'll never understand why nazism appeals to anyone, let alone minorities. the was an old black white power "skinhead" here in chicago years ago. his name was sonny and he had a huge swastika tattooed above his eye. i also saw a black man lifting in washington park with a swastika tat:confused: why???

[tachosomoza]

A combination of self-hatred and ignorance and boredom. White fash will stomp their heads if they see them.

[Zostrianos]

This is more proof of Nazi stupidity, and hardly surprising. Poland, the country that was the most ravaged by the Nazis, its people enslaved, and its culture destroyed by them, now also has its own Neonazis:

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/skinhead-international/skins-poland.html

Fascist madness and stupidity has no limits.

[Decolonize The Left]

Fascism isn't madness or stupid, it's an ideology which is very appealing to disenfranchised working class people. We need to to start taking fascism seriously rather than merely ridiculing it for being racist and ignorant of history.

[MarxSchmarx]

Fascism isn't madness or stupid, it's an ideology which is very appealing to disenfranchised working class people. We need to to start taking fascism seriously rather than merely ridiculing it for being racist and ignorant of history.

With all due respect, MdMR, whilst I agree it must be taken seriously, I must contest the claim that it is "very appealing to disenfranchised working class people." Fascism is not appealing to all but a handful of fanatic rightwingers these days. These few individuals can be quite dangerous (Brevik, McVeigh, etc...) and the left should not disregard the threat they pose.

But I do not think they appeal to the "disenfranchised working people" except in the very broadest sense of the phrase. There are some disenfranchised working people who are attracted to fascism, yes, but their numbers are very miniscule. The fascists want to claim that their support is deeper than it it is a all. This is an illusion they seek to convey, that they are somehow more "authentic" than the other parties.

But while there might be "respectable" workers who aren't too troubled or even vaguely sympatetic to facism, I would argue that the extent to which fascists rely on "disenfranchised working classs people" is strikingly limited, and that perhaps they appeal to those demographics no more than they appeal to "respectable" middle class folk, much less the ruling class.

Indeed, let us never forget that mass fascist movements worthy of the name are always products of the ruling class and to a lesser extent the petty-bourgeoisie.

[TheIrrationalist]

Apparently O.N.S.P. is a record label. They seem to focus on black metal, and ideologically they are Fascists. It is not really a political group, but all things related to them seem to have something to do with Nazism/Fascism and Mexican imperialism, and just look at the symbolism on their site!
http://onsp.bandcamp.com/
http://www.metal-archives.com/labels/O.N.S.P./2560

[Tolstoy]

This is something that has turned up I have witnessed through drama some of my comrades and I have been caught up in the crossfire over.

Basically, there's a group on the internet called ONSP, which is a pathetic excuse of an 'organization' that some of these new Mexican 'Nationalists' have organized over the internet. I read about it, and from what I have read they are beyond historically inaccurate. They are in support of racial diversity, yet they are Nazis? They also support such things like the Westboro Babtist Church, Anton Lavey (I thought nationalist scum bags didn't like him?), and other bizarre things. As well as them being tolerant towards homosexuals, anti-'Zionist' Jews, etc. They claim to be this superior 'Bronze' race of Aztecs as well. :laugh:

With this said, the question I am asking is if anyone else has heard of this? This is extremely... Odd. Beyond retarded if you ask me.
Jeff Weiss (a school shooter) was a native american Nazi. Ive also met an old black man who started ranting to me about how whites were nicer than blacks, how I reminded him of General Custer and he kept kneeling before me and kissing my hand and bringing up that he had a confederate uniform at home (hes not the famous black neo confederate though)

[tachosomoza]

Ive also met an old black man who started ranting to me about how whites were nicer than blacks, how I reminded him of General Custer and he kept kneeling before me and kissing my hand and bringing up that he had a confederate uniform at home

If he was old enough to have known Custer, that was expected behavior of black men back then if they wanted to live a long time and he belongs in the Guinness Book of World Records.