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Le Socialiste
28th July 2013, 23:19
This only further highlights the details of the kind of 'recovery' the U.S. ruling-class has been pursuing since the crisis hit. I've included a link to the full article below.


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Four out of 5 U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, near-poverty or reliance on welfare for at least parts of their lives, a sign of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream.
Survey data exclusive to The Associated Press points to an increasingly globalized U.S. economy, the widening gap between rich and poor, and the loss of good-paying manufacturing jobs as reasons for the trend.

The findings come as President Barack Obama tries to renew his administration's emphasis on the economy, saying in recent speeches that his highest priority is to "rebuild ladders of opportunity" and reverse income inequality.

As nonwhites approach a numerical majority in the U.S., one question is how public programs to lift the disadvantaged should be best focused — on the affirmative action that historically has tried to eliminate the racial barriers seen as the major impediment to economic equality, or simply on improving socioeconomic status for all, regardless of race.

Hardship is particularly growing among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among that racial group about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987. In the most recent AP-GfK poll, 63 percent of whites called the economy "poor."

"I think it's going to get worse," said Irene Salyers, 52, of Buchanan County, Va., a declining coal region in Appalachia. Married and divorced three times, Salyers now helps run a fruit and vegetable stand with her boyfriend but it doesn't generate much income. They live mostly off government disability checks.

"If you do try to go apply for a job, they're not hiring people, and they're not paying that much to even go to work," she said. Children, she said, have "nothing better to do than to get on drugs."

While racial and ethnic minorities are more likely to live in poverty, race disparities in the poverty rate have narrowed substantially since the 1970s, census data show. Economic insecurity among whites also is more pervasive than is shown in the government's poverty data, engulfing more than 76 percent of white adults by the time they turn 60, according to a new economic gauge being published next year by the Oxford University Press.

The gauge defines "economic insecurity" as a year or more of periodic joblessness, reliance on government aid such as food stamps or income below 150 percent of the poverty line. Measured across all races, the risk of economic insecurity rises to 79 percent.

Marriage rates are in decline across all races, and the number of white mother-headed households living in poverty has risen to the level of black ones.
"It's time that America comes to understand that many of the nation's biggest disparities, from education and life expectancy to poverty, are increasingly due to economic class position," said William Julius Wilson, a Harvard professor who specializes in race and poverty. He noted that despite continuing economic difficulties, minorities have more optimism about the future after Obama's election, while struggling whites do not.

More here (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-4-5-us-face-175906005.html).

DudeImNeo
29th July 2013, 00:43
4/5 huh ? That seems a little extreme ! You gotta keep in mind too just because you're not receiving a govt paycheck dont mean you're unemployed...i mean, technically, yes, but i'd say almost everybody is making money some way or another-whether they workin at mcdonalds or slangin greens to tha homies or standin outside a starbucks collecting change-its 2013 now, it may not seem like people are working conventional jobs buh i feel like its cuhs they working more blackmarket jobs, jobs that aren't options on tha employmeny survey list, jobs that people don't fill out a w2 form for

Jimmie Higgins
29th July 2013, 14:03
Damn le Socialiste, you beat me to it - I was about to post this same article.

It's interesting - also a bit awful in regards to the racial politics... oh, white people are getting the shaft too, now it's a problem!


"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," says Mark Rank (http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news%2Fpolitics&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Mark+Rank%22), a professor at Washington University in St. Louis (http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=news%2Fpolitics&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Washington+University+in+St.+Louis%22) who calculated the numbers. "Only when poverty is thought of as a mainstream event, rather than a fringe experience that just affects blacks and Hispanics, can we really begin to build broader support for programs that lift people in need."

precarian
29th July 2013, 15:52
This only further highlights the details of the kind of 'recovery' the U.S. ruling-class has been pursuing since the crisis hit.

Yes, indeed. "Recovery" for who? Cui bono?? A "recovery" for the ruling class means immiseration for the rest of us. The interests of organised capital and those of the proletariat are completely irreconcilable - not that such an analysis will ever be entertained by the state-media ideological apparatus, of course!

Positivist
29th July 2013, 16:06
Damn le Socialiste, you beat me to it - I was about to post this same article.

It's interesting - also a bit awful in regards to the racial politics... oh, white people are getting the shaft too, now it's a problem!

Although I agree that this message appears to be conveyed by the author's frequent references to worsening conditions for whites, I believe her intent is to dispell the myth that economic struggles are the result of discrimination against, or even worse cultural failure of non-white communities, but instead proceeds from structural flaws in our political economy. It is in essence, an appeal to the subliminal racism or categorical assumptions of the common white reader.

Jimmie Higgins
30th July 2013, 09:11
Although I agree that this message appears to be conveyed by the author's frequent references to worsening conditions for whites, I believe her intent is to dispell the myth that economic struggles are the result of discrimination against, or even worse cultural failure of non-white communities, but instead proceeds from structural flaws in our political economy. It is in essence, an appeal to the subliminal racism or categorical assumptions of the common white reader.

I'm not really sure what their intent was, but I got the impression in reading it that white and non-whites were being counterposed. They seemed to be suggesting that, "well sure there is still racial inequality even in poverty rates, but things are rapidly getting worse for whites while non-whites are more optomistic and things have imporved for them".

When I think really that hasn't been the case in this recession where the "first fired, last hired" phenomena was still in full effect. And more generally I don't think this is correct because what was experienced by concentrated black urban populations of high school educated workers in the 1970s when industry moved to the suburbs and later to right to work states is now being generalized to a larger portion of the population, different regions, and now public sector workers and whatnot.

I also think it's a problem because this kind of formulation can be used by right-wing populists and was basically used in the past to aruge that "some" people are getting relief while the "deserving hard working (white) americans" keep getting a rougher time. I think some of that is reflected in the quotes from Republican politicians in the article: "deserving people" should have access to jobs (low-wage non-union manufacturing jobs according to Obama's plans).

But it's an AP story so I'm not really expecting a sharp expose of inequality and poverty that doesn't accomodate to ruling class ideas about the economy and racism.

tachosomoza
30th July 2013, 09:19
"Hey, look, you're doing worse and being pulled down to the economic level of minorities! Your historical privilege is eroding! There's a black man in the White House! Form your own conclusion!"

Smells a lot like typical right wing race baiting to me.

Prof. Oblivion
30th July 2013, 14:31
This article isn't about the recent recession really. It says "for parts of their lives" which speaks more to the decline in people who manage to stay with the same employer their entire lives and get a pension. We've known all of this for the past 20-30 years...

bricolage
30th July 2013, 15:10
surely 'at least parts of their lives' could be anything from ten years to one week?

bcbm
30th July 2013, 16:36
well, glad i am not the only one

Positivist
30th July 2013, 23:24
Ultimately the tone is still racist yes, but regardless I was encouraged to see a major media outlet hone in on the deteriorating economic conditions which have swept through the United States. With this said, your point about this information being accommodating to right-wing populist narratives as well is absolutely valid, and any literature on American economic weakness that can be manipulated to support libertarian and conservative economic assumptions is robbed of whatever ideological value it's dissemination may have had on the public.


I'm not really sure what their intent was, but I got the impression in reading it that white and non-whites were being counterposed. They seemed to be suggesting that, "well sure there is still racial inequality even in poverty rates, but things are rapidly getting worse for whites while non-whites are more optomistic and things have imporved for them".

When I think really that hasn't been the case in this recession where the "first fired, last hired" phenomena was still in full effect. And more generally I don't think this is correct because what was experienced by concentrated black urban populations of high school educated workers in the 1970s when industry moved to the suburbs and later to right to work states is now being generalized to a larger portion of the population, different regions, and now public sector workers and whatnot.

I also think it's a problem because this kind of formulation can be used by right-wing populists and was basically used in the past to aruge that "some" people are getting relief while the "deserving hard working (white) americans" keep getting a rougher time. I think some of that is reflected in the quotes from Republican politicians in the article: "deserving people" should have access to jobs (low-wage non-union manufacturing jobs according to Obama's plans).

But it's an AP story so I'm not really expecting a sharp expose of inequality and poverty that doesn't accomodate to ruling class ideas about the economy and racism.