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Popular Front of Judea
28th July 2013, 13:50
[H]ere are some of the things we should be thinking about as a result of what we have learned so far.

The first is that the days of the internet as a truly global network are numbered. It was always a possibility that the system would eventually be Balkanised, ie divided into a number of geographical or jurisdiction-determined subnets as societies such as China, Russia, Iran and other Islamic states decided that they needed to control how their citizens communicated. Now, Balkanisation is a certainty.

Second, the issue of internet governance is about to become very contentious. Given what we now know about how the US and its satraps have been abusing their privileged position in the global infrastructure, the idea that the western powers can be allowed to continue to control it has become untenable.

Third, as Evgeny Morozov has pointed out, the Obama administration's "internet freedom agenda" has been exposed as patronising cant. "Today," he writes, "the rhetoric of the 'internet freedom agenda' looks as trustworthy as George Bush's 'freedom agenda' after Abu Ghraib."

That's all at nation-state level. But the Snowden revelations also have implications for you and me.

They tell us, for example, that no US-based internet company can be trusted to protect our privacy or data. The fact is that Google, Facebook, Yahoo, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft are all integral components of the US cyber-surveillance system. Nothing, but nothing, that is stored in their "cloud" services can be guaranteed to be safe from surveillance or from illicit downloading by employees of the consultancies employed by the NSA. That means that if you're thinking of outsourcing your troublesome IT operations to, say, Google or Microsoft, then think again.

Edward Snowden's not the story. The fate of the internet is | Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/28/edward-snowden-death-of-internet/print)

Rafiq
28th July 2013, 16:27
Snowden was a paulite scum. I care not for him.

Arlekino
28th July 2013, 17:02
Snowden was a paulite scum. I care not for him.

Not sure why his scum would you care to explain?

Rafiq
28th July 2013, 17:08
Not sure why his scum would you care to explain?

He's a libertarian and he supported Ron Paul in the 2012 American election. He's a reactionary.

Popular Front of Judea
28th July 2013, 22:30
So? Snowden's motivations are not being discussed here. The thread is about the implications of the data that Snowden leaked.


He's a libertarian and he supported Ron Paul in the 2012 American election. He's a reactionary.

blake 3:17
8th August 2013, 02:17
John Lewis, the man Obama called the 'conscience of the US Congress', said whistleblower could lay claim to 'higher law'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/07/john-lewis-civil-rights-edward-snowden

Brosa Luxemburg
8th August 2013, 02:22
Snowden was a paulite scum. I care not for him.

If he would have gotten up on top of his roof every morning and praised the sun in the nude and used his tears as holy lubricant for his morning ritual I would still consider him at least an extraordinary and brave individual who exposed something terrible.

Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages
8th August 2013, 02:30
I like how the title of this thread and the first reply to it really mesh together. No one is suggesting that we hand control of the internet over to snowden so who gives a fuck what his personal politics are.

MEGAMANTROTSKY
8th August 2013, 02:48
He's a libertarian and he supported Ron Paul in the 2012 American election. He's a reactionary.
This is the same tired old crap that people used against Julian Assange, in the sense that if he was shown to have right wing ideas, he was all the more likely to be a rapist, reactionary, or worse. With Assange, just as with Snowden, we don't have to like him or his politics to recognize that he has helped expose the criminal character of the US state through the information that he has leaked.

If you want us to disregard Snowden, you're going to have to offer a lot more than some mealy-mouthed smears.

Os Cangaceiros
8th August 2013, 05:06
Regarding a couple of the points in the actual topic: I think that the internet being "decentralized" away from the USA could potentially be helpful to oppositional forces. The first point, regarding "Balkanization", is obviously negative, but haven't governments in different parts of the world (like Saudi Arabia, Iran, China etc) been in a virtual "arms race" with activists for quite a few years over internet censorship? Like when the government of Iran found a way to block Tor a few years back, and Tor released a new patch the same day that allowed Iranians to get around the block, etc.

tuwix
8th August 2013, 06:36
The thread is about the implications of the data that Snowden leaked.

Then the implications are completely non-existent. The US administration isn't going to stop its electronic espionage of world and internet isn't going to collapse or divide.