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Ace High
27th July 2013, 18:25
From the Batman universe, but in this context, I'm speaking specifically about how they were portrayed in Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy.

So, what was their ideology? How would you classify it?

The entire purpose of the league's existence is to serve justice. And their definition of justice seems to range from preventing isolated violent crimes to high level "white collar" corruption and corporate greed. For instance, in the trilogy, it is revealed that they orchestrated the fall of the Roman Empire, loaded trade ships with Bubonic plague-infested rats to Europe, and started the fire of London. Their next target is Gotham City, meant to represent the current hub of the West.

Now, what is their explanation for this and why do they target the West specifically?

They only dismantle the hub of the West when they feel that it is beyond saving. Meaning the West has become such a breeding ground for violence and corruption that the people collectively are to blame, therefore it is better to just wipe them out and start over and rebuild. The people have failed by letting the West become decadent, therefore, they are collectively guilty.

Now, let's talk about specifically Bane from the final movie in the trilogy. Bane was a member of the leage as well as a master at guerrilla warfare and incredibly good at organizing the workers in Gotham to plan the takeover of the stock trading place (the equivalent of Wall street in the movie). You can see that the people who help him are janitors, construction workers etc working undercover for Bane. Then, finally, when Bane does take Gotham hostage, he proclaims a state of anarchy and calls for "the people" to take charge. He arms people with guns and has them storm Blackgate Prison which he sees as a symbol of oppression. He also holds trials fro high-up CEOs and other exploiters, where the punishment is their choice between death or exile. Of course, his anarchist society fails at the last minute when Batman comes and kicks his ass in the epic fight scene at the end :D

Anyway, I wanted to know your thoughts on the type of ideology the League of Shadows seems to uphold. It is interesting to note that the initiations to the league consist of some Masonic symbols as well as alot of Eastern Buddhist-based philosophy.

Ace High
27th July 2013, 23:41
Lame, ok, I'm bumping this once and then if no posts, I'll accept my defeat :D

Sasha
27th July 2013, 23:58
Blanquism? RAF'ism?
Its one of these age old tricks in commics (or any kind of symbolic fiction actually), the group that you deeply sympathetic too for their motivations but just can not not reject for their methods.
It's the reason why "villians" like the joker and bane are do much more popular than just evil evil vilians. In fact one could trace it back as a theme to way before comics, its the Satan figure in Miltons paradise lost, the prospero in the tempest. It's the Evil we all can relate too because its the righteos evil. Only one social convention away from each of us....

Brandon's Impotent Rage
28th July 2013, 00:09
Personally, I'm partial to The Court of Owls.

Ace High
28th July 2013, 03:20
Blanquism? RAF'ism?
Its one of these age old tricks in commics (or any kind of symbolic fiction actually), the group that you deeply sympathetic too for their motivations but just can not not reject for their methods.
It's the reason why "villians" like the joker and bane are do much more popular than just evil evil vilians. In fact one could trace it back as a theme to way before comics, its the Satan figure in Miltons paradise lost, the prospero in the tempest. It's the Evil we all can relate too because its the righteos evil. Only one social convention away from each of us....

Ahh, so the anti-hero aspect, yeah? But then what would that make Batman? Well, I guess the hero... But what do you think their ideology says about them? Like, does that mean they have some relatable morals?


Personally, I'm partial to The Court of Owls.

Not sure what that is xD

I also feel like this thread might die..... Severe lack of Batman fans around here, tsk tsk.:crying:

The Jay
28th July 2013, 03:33
I am the League of Shadows!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511112337/batman/images/f/f0/Bane_TDKR3.jpg

Ace High
28th July 2013, 04:13
I am the League of Shadows!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120511112337/batman/images/f/f0/Bane_TDKR3.jpg

Ah, I love how Tom Hardy did a better job with facial expressions using basically just his eyes than many other actors would with their full face.