The hypocrisy of it all...

[(*]

I find it interesting how people complain that "Immigrants are taking our jobs" etc...
But they are only "taking" jobs that Americans do not want...


Yet, american corporations (HP, DELL, AMEX, IBM, AT&T...and many many more) all outsource to India!
Hundreds of thousands of jobs that Americans want....are handed to other countries

Even accounting jobs are being outsourced, and many States outsource welfare calls to India as well!

It's all about money right. That's all it's ever about

[John Galt]

Originally posted by (*@Jan 12 2004, 04:32 AM
It's all about money right. That's all it's ever about
And?

[(*]

and because of their greed. Americans are losing hundreds of thousands of Jobs.

Do you think that is good?

[AmericanZionist2004]

I am a dedicated global capitalist, but I believe that true capitalism can be attained by opening it to everyone, and as far as jobs go, basing it on skill. With global capitalism, the hunger and poverty in these countries has decreased over the last few decades and the GDP of these developing nations have increased.

[Al Creed]

So, "AMerican Zionist," You are in favour of Big, honkin' food producing companies entering the Continents of Africa and Asia, taking most of the ariable land within, and turning them into fields of Cash crops, to sell back to the people of these nations at a lower price than food grown on smaller farms by citizens of said nation, thereby slaughtering the autonomy of said nation?

"Global Capitalism," KILLS.

[Crypticchronoclasm]

Yet, american corporations (HP, DELL, AMEX, IBM, AT&T...and many many more) all outsource to India!
Hundreds of thousands of jobs that Americans want....are handed to other countries

same thing is happening in england lots of jobs going to india mainly telephone jobs

I know of ten people who would take one of these jobs

[Saint-Just]

In terms of jobs moving abroad, this does not matter either. It is a sympton of technological advance, that the lower skilled jobs are lots, however the ultimate result is job creation. Throughout history, advances in technology have lost jobs in the short term but created more jobs and reduced unemployment in the long term.

Of course unemployment is seen as necessary and natural in capitalism, this is the problem.

[STI]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 07:04 PM
I am a dedicated global capitalist, but I believe that true capitalism can be attained by opening it to everyone, and as far as jobs go, basing it on skill. With global capitalism, the hunger and poverty in these countries has decreased over the last few decades and the GDP of these developing nations have increased.
Untrue. In most countries with "Free Trade Zones", the currency loses value, largely because most of the population can't afford basic commodities, and all the profit made off of the cheap labour leaves the country. It doesn't help the working class anywhere, just the same old shit as always.

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 07:16 PM
So, "AMerican Zionist," You are in favour of Big, honkin' food producing companies entering the Continents of Africa and Asia, taking most of the ariable land within, and turning them into fields of Cash crops, to sell back to the people of these nations at a lower price than food grown on smaller farms by citizens of said nation, thereby slaughtering the autonomy of said nation?

"Global Capitalism," KILLS.
Not to mention all of the laborers needed to work the land. These "Big, honkin' food producing companies" will need a Big, honkin' labor force. These workers will be in large supply because big business tends to run smaller busnesses out of town and often with the support of superpowers (like the U$). So not only will these people have to pay more for lower quality food, lose their livelyhoods and land. The people will soon after, be forced into underemployment in these companies, into paying for the new public housing and into bankruptcy, convieniently through banks, credit card companies or other companies that 'help people with dept.'

Almost forgot: This will also cause massive unemployment, like Chairman Mao said, "unemployment is seen as necessary and natural in capitalism," because an "army of the unemployed," keeps the workers struggling, uncertian and afraid. In this process many people will die or suffer greatly. In the struggle this manufactures, there will be resistance and the guards of capitalism (police-military) will justify killing people that aren't satisfied to be slaves. This is what becomes of capitalism taking it's deathgrip on people.

RavenFan84 is right, "Global Capitalism," KILLS!

[Elect Marx]

Why is it that when ever there is a serious conversation about capitalism the cappies either result to name calling or never respond? This gets kind of old when cappies just start into a debate then start something somewhere else. I wish I could see them finish what they start.

[lucid]

I wish something could be done to discourage these companies from outsourcing so many jobs overseas. It just bugs me that a company, whos main customers are US citizens, take money that we pay them and then send it overseas. May sound selfish but I think money earned and spent in the US should stay here if possible. It's all about supporting your own economy. I'm no economist so maybe some of you can bring up some points that support sending money over seas.

[redfront]

Originally posted by (*@Jan 12 2004, 04:32 AM
I find it interesting how people complain that "Immigrants are taking our jobs" etc...

Yeah, how can you blame them for having a job, while we bomb their country?

[Elect Marx]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 05:19 PM
I wish something could be done to discourage these companies from outsourcing so many jobs overseas. It just bugs me that a company, whos main customers are US citizens, take money that we pay them and then send it overseas. May sound selfish but I think money earned and spent in the US should stay here if possible. It's all about supporting your own economy. I'm no economist so maybe some of you can bring up some points that support sending money over seas.
Money should be going both ways because some countries make products better than others. Specialization is a good thing. As long as corporations can take power in other countries, they will exploit all angles in whatever country they can use. The only way to make the companies stop hurting people and the environment in the pursuit of money is to take the bosses out of power or destroy the system that suports them (capitalism). I agree that the work done by a person sould benefit that person and others. Corporations will hurt workers as long as they are allowed to run around the world doing as they please suported by the bosses and the ruling class.

[Rasta Sapian]

capitalism sucks! free trade and the WTO suck even more!