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X5N
26th July 2013, 22:21
Russian Neo-Nazis Allegedly Lure, Torture Gay Teens With Online Dating Scam (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/russian-nazi-torture-gay-teens_n_3658636.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009)

A neo-Nazi group in Russia has apparently enacted a disturbing campaign against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender youth by allegedly using a popular social network to lure in victims and torture them.

The Spectrum Human Rights Alliance (SHRA), an LGBT rights group focusing on Eastern Europe, claims the campaigns -- called "Occupy Pedophilyaj" and "Occupy Gerontilyaj" -- were launched by former skinhead and Russian ultranationalist Maxim Martsinkevich to purportedly identify and report pedophiles. However, the group's method may be to target male teens who respond to same-sex personals ads on Russia's Facebook equivalent, VK.com. Group members are said to meet the boys when they show up for the supposed date; they bully the boys and even torture them, all while recording the encounters on camera.

"These self-proclaimed 'crime fighters' perform their actions under the broad day light, often outside and clearly visible to general public that indifferently passes by or even commend them," writes SHRA on its website. "Video recordings of bullying and tortures are freely distributed on the Internet in order to out LGBT teens to their respective schools, parents and friends. Many victims were driven to suicides, the rest are deeply traumatized."

SHRA points to a YouTube video showing a group of young people allegedly connected with this movement who are seen interrogating a teen boy at what appears to be a housing compound, according to a translation by The Huffington Post.

The group approaches the teen and asks him if he had come there to meet someone named "Uncle Dima." Then they bring him over to a bench and continue the interrogation. They ask why he was there to meet Dima and the boy admits he is there to have sex, possibly for money. Although the group members mock him, they are friendly at times, and the teen is willing to admit things about himself and his sexual preference. He says who he is, where he's from, what school he goes to and that he is 15 years old.

Toward the end of the video the aggression heightens. At one point, one person who stepped slightly out of frame and appeared to urinate into a bottle, attempts to pour the contents of the bottle onto the teen's head. Another kicks the teen. Then the video cuts off.

(Watch the interrogation below.)

Earlier this month, Russian online newspaper Lenta met with those who have joined the "Occupy-Pedofilyay" campaign to learn more about the movement.

"We do not like homosexuals," the leader of one local gathering explained, according to a HuffPost translation. "If it was up to me, I'd kill them but the government doesn't allow that."

"I think practically all gay men -- pedophiles," he later explained. "Once you've crossed over once, you can cross over again. Today he likes boys, and then it'll be children. They're not suitable for life in society."

Anti-gay sentiments across the nation have made headlines recently. Just weeks ago, President Vladimir Putin signed into law the so-called "homosexual propaganda" bill, which imposes fines upon people found guilty of sharing information about homosexuality to minors. This week, four Dutch tourists were jailed under this law.

This is really fucked up. I hope some people start organizing in Russia to respond to these thugs tit-for-tat.

Comrade Jacob
26th July 2013, 23:03
Fuck, I really don't know what to say. Wow, these "people" really do need to be made a lesson of! I am disgusted by so many aspects of this! Nazi-Russians who are murderous homophobes! Fuck them, I may be just speaking from an emotional stance call it "reactionary" if you will, but I would be satisfied if they were publicly executed! I really don't think trying to reform them is worth the time for these awful people, nor do I think it would be likely to succeed.

OHumanista
26th July 2013, 23:17
Absolutely disgusting. But sadly not surprising at all.

Ace High
26th July 2013, 23:27
Fuck, I really don't know what to say. Wow, these "people" really do need to be made a lesson of! I am disgusted by so many aspects of this! Nazi-Russians who are murderous homophobes! Fuck them, I may be just speaking from an emotional stance call it "reactionary" if you will, but I would be satisfied if they were publicly executed! I really don't think trying to reform them is worth the time for these awful people, nor do I think it would be likely to succeed.

No, you aren't being reactionary. I agree, neo nazi scum should be publicly executed. People may say public execution is inhumane, but I think it's a great way to collectively say "seeya *****" to deranged sociopaths.

Why does Russia have such a huge neo nazi movement anyway? What a fucked up country.

TheIrrationalist
26th July 2013, 23:49
One thing that I wouldn't mind from the bourgeoisie state: repressing the Nazis. But they are mainly working for their agenda so it is not going to happen.

tachosomoza
27th July 2013, 00:02
Russia, oh how you've fallen.

Remus Bleys
27th July 2013, 01:50
Okay, here is my two cents on what happened.
The Russian government under Stalin made homosexuality illegal, because of him trying to increase the population, under the belief that homosexuality spreads.
Then it was just a part of life, that homosexuality is a Bourgeoisie/Aristocratic concept.
Then, when the USSR dissolved and turned into what it is now, the Russians looked for nationalism (explaining all the fascist parties (which is basically every organization, except maybe a Just Russia, though I dont know enough about them)). Their nationalism leads them to hate their number 1 rival, the US.
Then, the ultra-conservative Russian Orthodox Church started making gains, and is obviously opposed to homosexuality.

Already, it isn't a good environment. However, I think all of the recent hate is a result of lgbt gains made in America. So Homosexuality = America now. Hate America.
All that history combined and the recent gains I believe, explain why this is happening.

Flying Purple People Eater
27th July 2013, 02:11
I find it both disturbing and hilarous how a country who's largest ethnic population was basically going to be the victims of hitler's next holocaust now has one of the largest neo-nazi populations in the world.

Fuck Putin, fuck the Orthodox Church and fuck the mafia-controlled Russian Federation. I wish we could help LGBT people being persecuted by those bigot monologues.

Remus Bleys
27th July 2013, 02:59
I wish we could help LGBT people being persecuted by those bigot monologues. Can we? Is there a way? Or are we condemned to be spectators?

tachosomoza
27th July 2013, 03:43
Can we? Is there a way? Or are we condemned to be spectators?

Besides activism and spreading the word on the internet and in the world, there's not much we can do. Russia is a basketcase. Activists for human rights are routinely murdered there with no action from the police or courts, or with cooperation.

d3crypt
27th July 2013, 04:16
This is fucked up. We got to start killing off all the nazis in this world.

X5N
27th July 2013, 06:38
Is there any chance of these thugs being shown what for?

tachosomoza
27th July 2013, 08:42
Is there any chance of these thugs being shown what for?

The Russian antifas are severely outnumbered and outgunned by fascists. Russia has the largest number of neo Nazis in the world today. The courts and police aid and abet fash.

d3crypt
27th July 2013, 10:19
The Russian antifas are severely outnumbered and outgunned by fascists. Russia has the largest number of neo Nazis in the world today. The courts and police aid and abet fash.

Perhaps urban guerrilla warfare is needed?

Flying Purple People Eater
27th July 2013, 12:04
Perhaps urban guerrilla warfare is needed?

Even if you consider this realistically, something like 'urban guerrilla warfare' is not going to work against one of the world's three largest armies on their home turf.

And as others have said, Russia's neo-nazis are extremely large in number and very, very dangerous. Russian antifa websites with links to bulletproof clothing shops is proof enough of this.

Kingfish
27th July 2013, 13:12
Have these neo-nazis much support (or haven even infiltrated) within the establishment?

Would it be correct to draw comparisons between them and say the third clan period of the Ku Klux Klan?

Rurkel
27th July 2013, 13:59
a country who's largest ethnic population was basically going to be the victims of hitler's next holocaust now has one of the largest neo-nazi populations in the world.
True, you can't be a Russian Nazi without some severe cognitive dissonance. But, as it's evident, people are very susceptible to cognitive dissonance. On the internet, the neo-nazis in Russia usually insist that evidence of Nazi plans towards Russia is simply "Judeo-Bolshevik lies" or claim that this was so long ago, it doesn't count anyway.


Have these neo-nazis much support (or haven even infiltrated) within the establishment?
They are "cautiously tolerated" by the law enforcement and the government as long as they aren't anti-Putinist. In general, xenophobia is quite widespread in Russia, and ultranationalists are often perceived as "moderates" as long as they refrain from blatantly using Nazi symbolics or approving of Hitler.

d3crypt
28th July 2013, 00:18
Even if you consider this realistically, something like 'urban guerrilla warfare' is not going to work against one of the world's three largest armies on their home turf.

And as others have said, Russia's neo-nazis are extremely large in number and very, very dangerous. Russian antifa websites with links to bulletproof clothing shops is proof enough of this.

Why not just assasinate key neo nazis?

Paul Pott
1st August 2013, 03:55
So they fight pedophiles by posing as perverted old men to lure in gay teen boys?

Fascist movements typically contain many closeted gays, so it's no wonder they are so obsessed with the details of gay sex acts in that video, as well as the creepy urine thing...

Decolonize The Left
1st August 2013, 04:09
Why not just assasinate key neo nazis?

This sort of talk is remarkably unhelpful, unrealistic, and short-sighted. This is not an outright war zone. Assassinating 'key figures' will not curb a movement, it will only radically heighten tensions and draw more support to that movement as it is now being portrayed as a victim.

The same goes for talk of guerrilla warfare, or any notion of killing/murdering people over this shit. As leftists we are supposed to represent the working class. This means, in some way, you represent the neo-nazis because in all reality they are viciously oppressed people under capitalism. Nazism, and bigotry in general, finds its hold in the struggles of everyday people who cannot relate their plight to the overall economy system and so fall back upon conventional outlets such as race, gender, sexuality, etc...

What is needed is more antifa and more pressure on the Russian government which has just outlawed homosexuality. When a government outlaws a sexual preference it is no wonder that reactionaries take the law into their own hands and go unpunished.

d3crypt
2nd August 2013, 11:25
This sort of talk is remarkably unhelpful, unrealistic, and short-sighted. This is not an outright war zone. Assassinating 'key figures' will not curb a movement, it will only radically heighten tensions and draw more support to that movement as it is now being portrayed as a victim.

The same goes for talk of guerrilla warfare, or any notion of killing/murdering people over this shit. As leftists we are supposed to represent the working class. This means, in some way, you represent the neo-nazis because in all reality they are viciously oppressed people under capitalism. Nazism, and bigotry in general, finds its hold in the struggles of everyday people who cannot relate their plight to the overall economy system and so fall back upon conventional outlets such as race, gender, sexuality, etc...

What is needed is more antifa and more pressure on the Russian government which has just outlawed homosexuality. When a government outlaws a sexual preference it is no wonder that reactionaries take the law into their own hands and go unpunished.

I suppose its not the most effective method to go around killing people. But fascists don't usually respond to logic.