Is the current Egyptian revolution an Bonapartism is disguised or real revolution?

[B5C]

I seen many debates on r/socialism and some of my left winging friends. That the coup against Morsi is a true revolution and the military had to do what the people wanted.

I worry about that the military is just bonapartism disguised as a revolution. The military basically control since the coup against the monarchy in 1953.

One friend told me that the military was required to support the French revolution and Egyptian military is not counter revolutionary since the counter revolutionaries were the Muslim Brotherhood. The election of the Muslim Brother hood is not a real democracy. The military coup against Morsi would be called a true revolution by the likes of Trotsky and Mao.

[OHumanista]

Well the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood is counter-revolutionary does not make their enemies revolutionary. So I prefer to wait and skeptically observe the situation.

[Bostana]

I thought it was a military coup

[TheIrrationalist]

It is a coup not a revolution.

What I'm afraid is that the military will have to cling onto power. There is no going back to bourgeois democracy, as the people is greatly divided, on which bourgeois party they support, and support for the Muslim Brotherhood and Morsi isn't waning. I don't see much solutions for Egypt (for except the obvious, which isn't going to happen). If they go back to democracy they soon have another Muslim Brotherhood president, or something similar.

[Hit The North]

I agree with the above. Recent events have been a coup as the military has stepped in, posing as the 'party of order'. The revolutionary citizens that rose up against Mubarek have proven that they are divided and have no clear idea of the way forward apart from a vague aspiration for liberal representative democracy which, as TheIrrationalist points out, carries it own contradictions.

[TooManyQuestions]

Only time will tell. Morsi was never far from Mubarik. The people in the streets have had it rougher under Morsi though. I think that the people have a sense of their own power, however, and I can hope that they will continue to fight for a better future, no matter the odds.

The military may well try to keep in power as they always have. The next couple years over there may be rough.

[ckaihatsu]

The B u l l e t

Socialist Project • E-Bulletin No. 848
July 4, 2013


Bonapartist Coup in Egypt!


Sungur Savran

The near equality in strength of the two camps contending for power in Egypt led the army to stage a Bonapartist coup. It is not only the recent episode of unprecedented crowds in the millions coming out on 30 June that has made the army move. This struggle between the Muslim Brotherhood government of now deposed President Mohamed Morsi, on the one hand, and the opposition, represented by the National Salvation Front, and more recently by the Tamerod (Rebel) movement, on the other, has been going on since last November. This is, in fact, the third wave of spectacular demonstrations by the opposition within a cycle of the Egyptian revolution that has been going on since November.

http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/848.php

[cyu]

This is basically how it goes:

1. Mubarak consolidates power by glorifying the military (where he has many allies)
2. Wave of Arab revolutions topples Mubarak
3. Although the head of state is gone, the former political and economic system remains
4. Before the revolutionaries can transform the existing system, the military steps in, claiming to "maintain order while the people decide"
5. The generals consolidate power in such a way that no matter who replaces Mubarak, they keep the power they had before
6. Morsi comes in - although the generals are agnostic towards his status, as long as he doesn't rock the boat, they leave him alone
7. Morsi accomplishes nothing of what brought about the original revolution. He is faced with internal pressure maintain old domestic policies, and external pressure to maintain old foreign policies
8. Revolutionaries threaten to overthrow Morsi again since he's basically Mubarak II
9. Generals step in again to co-opt the revolution much in the same way they did in step #4
10. Morsi-supporters, much like Christian-on-the-street-Americans, try to back up the guy they believe represents them
11. Generals care no more about religious Egyptians than they do about secular Egyptians. If you get in their way, you get massacred

[Detroz]

Yeah i'm starting to think that this military coup is kind of being supported by Israel.All tunnels that linked palestine to egypt were demolished;since then, the palestinians are having a really hard time providing food and technology to its population.