Burzum

[MarxArchist]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23327165

So I guess this guy is officially 'out of service'. I feel a tad bit of guilt for liking two of his songs but givin the chance I'd, lets say, not be very friendly to the guy.

[connoros]

I'm not sure how much I'd love his music had I the ability to speak Norwegian, but I'm a fan of his sound. It's a little hard to reconcile that with the fact that his politics are atrocious.

[Sasha]

I wonder if he really planned on doing something, but he is a nutcase and planned a bomb attack on a leftist autonomous center before so fuck him, let the state lock him up and throw away the key, his will be the last cell we pull down...

[khad]

"rehabilitated"

[#FF0000]

Oh Varg!

*laughtrack*

[hatzel]

I know Varg hardly qualifies as a household name, but he's certainly amongst the closer things hardcore neo-Nazis have to a 'face' potentially recognisable outside of activist circles, and hasn't exactly spent the last 20 years keeping the kind of low-profile that would leave him well and truly out of the spotlight of both the public and the police, so I'm not quite sure why he'd imagine he'd be the best candidate for any kind of political activity that might benefit from not being identified...

[Per Levy]

oh varg, either he really planed something or he just wanted to get guns. anyway, burzum are a great band, back in the early 90s, amazing unique sound. since varg is out of jail his got kinda meh, one or two good songs here and there but nothing like back in the day. what i really find ironic though, is that he has "links to breivik", the neo pagan who burned down churches and the conservative asshole who wanted to save the christian culture a great mixture.

[Igor]

vikernes went into a shit direction in jail so maybe this undoes it (or doubles down on shit)

anyways seriously is anyone actually surprised

[Sasha]

I know Varg hardly qualifies as a household name, but he's certainly amongst the closer things hardcore neo-Nazis have to a 'face' potentially recognisable outside of activist circles, and hasn't exactly spent the last 20 years keeping the kind of low-profile that would leave him well and truly out of the spotlight of both the public and the police, so I'm not quite sure why he'd imagine he'd be the best candidate for any kind of political activity that might benefit from not being identified...


like so many of his ilk Varg is a narcissist first and a nazi/fascist only second...
his career is in the tank, his weird "sectarianism" made him a paria even among many of the extreme right, he is contaminated beyond repair for the mainstream, like said he is a extreme narcissist and he is an bonafide psychopath.
combine all that with the fact that without his earlier terror/murder escapades he would never would have become a "celebrity", no matter what all his "love the music, hate the man" fans say, and you have a very dangerous volatile cocktail

[d3crypt]

Too bad :( While Varg is an evil bastard, Burzum is an awesome band.

[Nevsky]

Why didn't he stay pagan eco-primitivist, "ancient nordic democratic" instead of getting into Breivik? Thank god that messed up ideology never found its way into Burzum's sound.

[Sasha]

Why didn't he stay pagan eco-primitivist, "ancient nordic democratic" instead of getting into Breivik? Thank god that messed up ideology never found its way into Burzum's sound.


come on, he has always been a nazi bastard no matter what label he stuck on it, he was a nazi before he went into metal, his attempt to blow up Blitz squat and his leadership of the heathenfront, his breakout that was organised and financed by neo-nazi's etc etc.
i understand that people like his music, there are plenty of dodgy or even nazi OI bands i would love if not for the politics but anyone claiming that Varg was not always a nazi asshole is whitewashing their conscious..

[Sasha]

to point his reply to Breivik and an nice explanation what paganism comes down to according to him:

“To Breivik I can only say I hope you do kill yourself. You have killed more Norwegians than the entire Muslim population in Norway has done the last 40 years, and you claim to be a Norwegian nationalist and patriot fighting (alongside your Jewish masters) against Islam, to protect us against their crimes!? I am sorry to say so, but you have made a big mistake. Islam has been imported to Europe by Jews, so that guys like you would run to the Jews and fight for them like you did when you murdered future mothers of Norwegian children. Death to you and to all other ‘European’ Zionists out there as well! You are the main problem for Europe, because guys like you allow the Jews to run Europe into the ditch. The Jews would not have been able to do anything to us if it hadn’t been for Christian losers like you!”
[...]


“If you, dear European nationalists, really want to save Europe (as a biological term) you have to realise that the only thing to do is to cast aside all Christian other international nonsense and embrace only the European (i.e. Pagan) values and ideals and if you like the European deities as well,” said the posting, dated December 13. “If you work for Christianity in any way you work for the Jews. Plain and simple.”

[khad]

Why didn't he stay pagan eco-primitivist, "ancient nordic democratic" instead of getting into Breivik? Thank god that messed up ideology never found its way into Burzum's sound.
Because this is OI not as subject to the stringent standards of the serious parts of the forum, I'll leave this here:

You're a fucking joke.

[Nevsky]

Fuck off, khad.

@psycho Guess you're right. However, as you put it yourself, Burzum is a narcissistic sociopath first and fascist second. It wasn't that clear to me before that he had any serious interest or connections with actual right wing scene of today. Otherwise he would have acted outright NSBM from the beginning.

[khad]

Fuck off, khad.

@psycho Guess you're right. However, as you put it yourself, Burzum is a narcissistic sociopath first and fascist second. It wasn't that clear to me before that he had any serious interest or connections with actual right wing scene of today. Otherwise he would have acted outright NSBM from the beginning.
I love how all these distinctions you make express a desire to mitigate or qualify Vargie's politically-motivated criminal acts.

So what you're saying here is that you can be a fascist and not a narcissistic sociopath?

[Nevsky]

What? I said he is a sociopath. He is a criminal, murdering fascist sociopath. The difference to ordinary neo-nazis is that fascism is an "edgy" thing for him, something he discovers at one time and disregards when it's not convenient for him. Hence, a sociopath first and not a pure ideological nazi. None of what we speculate about justifies his crimes in any way and no one ever said anything like that in this thread. Why do you always purposfully misintend what I say? What have I done to you that you hate me so much, man? I seriously don't get it.

[khad]

What? I said he is a sociopath. He is a criminal, murdering fascist sociopath. The difference to ordinary neo-nazis is that fascism is an "edgy" thing for him, something he discovers at one time and disregards when it's not convenient for him. Hence, a sociopath first and not a pure ideological nazi. None of what we speculate about justifies his crimes in any way and no one ever said anything like that in this thread. Why do you always purposfully misintend what I say? What have I done to you that you hate me so much, man? I seriously don't get it.
You're an imbecile. Only reason Vargie doesn't call himself a Nazi is because he thinks the term is too tainted. While in prison, he kept in contact with far right groups and became a "smart" fascist, dressing up his fascist ideology in terminology more palatable to liberals like yourself.


So, since I am not a "nazi" I began to use another term, in the late 90ies. I did it not just to avoid confusion, but also to find a term more suitable and accurate than the other terms I had used. This new term was odalism, from Norse óðal ("homeland", "allodium", "allodial law", "nobility", "noble", "inherited goods", "fatherland", "land property", "distinguished family", "distinguished", "splendid", "kin" and "the nation"). This term replaces everything positive about all the other -isms I have ever used, and in it lies Paganism, traditional nationalism, racialism and environmentalism. It is not only a more accurate but also a more inclusive term that can be used by all Europeans (and others too for that sake). Finally, and perhaps most importantly, it is not a term tainted by history.

[Nevsky]

You're an asshole. If you can't discuss in a civilized way, I must ask you kindly to fuck off.

[Dropdead]

Is there any actual proof of his ''terror plans''

[Sasha]

Dont know about this one but his church burnings where of course already essentially terrorism and his failed attempt on the Blitz squat in Oslo too so I wouldn't put it past him.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Why didn't he stay pagan eco-primitivist, "ancient nordic democratic" instead of getting into Breivik?

I find it hard to believe that anyone who uses this terminology isn't a hardcore nazi.

[Ceallach_the_Witch]

I'm a massive Burzum fan but outside the music he's pretty impossible to take seriously. His website is good for a laugh or two, the most reasonable things he talks about are probably when he's discussing the limitations of dungeons and dragons as a game system tbh

[Prof. Oblivion]

They don't really have a case against him and FWIW he hates Breivik and wrote long, rambling articles on his site smearing the guy.

[khad]

http://thuleanperspective.com/2013/07/13/heros/

Varg's latest rant. This embedded graphic says it all:

http://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/nws9gtv.png?w=558

[d3crypt]

I know Varg is a bad dude, but this really fucking sucks. Burzum is my favorite black metal band of all time and i thought that maybe Varg would calm down a little when he got put of prison. I just hope that he is able to make more music somehow. He is just like Richard Wagner. Both are terrible people but amazing artists.

[bcbm]

ugh too many crocodile tears for a nazi fuck. varg has been a whit esupremacist nazi for ages why are people trying to pretend otherwise? this arrest sounds like bs but to be honest i don't really care. fuck varg. i like his music, but he made better shit in jail anyway.

[#FF0000]

i like burzum but they aren't even that good tbh

[Sasha]

He, not they, burzum is a solo project.
Which is why all the "hate varg, love burzum" by many fans is so pathetic..

[Flying Purple People Eater]

I just listened to that Burzum shit and it sounded like cats screwing. Absolutely terrible.


And the COMMENTS SECTION! People with white-pride symbols calling other commenters 'gay anal loving communists' and cheering that he's out of jail.

I think this has only further cemented my hate for all black metal bands.

[bad ideas actualised by alcohol]

'gay anal loving communists'

Sounds like the perfect user-title on revleft.

But yeah, I listened to it too and I thought it was horrendous. It's not that I hate like music that makes you want to kill yourself, just that I'd found it terrible to sit through.

[helot]

I just listened to that Burzum shit and it sounded like cats screwing. Absolutely terrible.


And the COMMENTS SECTION! People with white-pride symbols calling other commenters 'gay anal loving communists' and cheering that he's out of jail.

I think this has only further cemented my hate for all black metal bands.

black metal for you ;)1

[#FF0000]

He, not they, burzum is a solo project.
Which is why all the "hate varg, love burzum" by many fans is so pathetic..

i like burzum and love varg because he is a real life cartoon

[bcbm]

I think this has only further cemented my hate for all black metal bands.

thats a bit of overkill, theres some great black metal out there.

mostly made by nazis.

shit.