My friend think Communism is bad!!!!!!!

[Comrade Zeke]

Attention every a couple days ago my very best friend got together a bunch of his stupid paintball buddies and he ask this question to them my friend does not appreeceate that he is an American. I got a bunch of people telling me their stories of 3rd world countries and stuff and my friend called me a rasiciast bastard because i dont beilive that America is a good nation. HE ALSO SAID COMMUNISM WAS THE MOST EVIL THING ON THE PLANET. SO I ASK ALL OF YOU MY FELLOW COMRADES THAT AMERICA IS NOT THE BEST NATION AND COMMUNISM IS NOT EVIL. PLEASE I NEED TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND COVIENCE HIM WHY I DONT LIKE AMERICA BECAUSE IT IS CORRUPT.PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINOINS ABOUT COMMUNISM AND THE IMPRELIST USA

THANKS COMRADE ZEKE.
P.S EVERY ONE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT HOW BAD AMERICA IS :D

[dannie]

show him this pic and tell him this is what his supid imperialism does

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/ge...ysburg/dead.jpg (http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/misc/gettysburg/dead.jpg)

and tell him he shouldn't be ignorant and repeat after his buddies, tell him to educate himself and then form an opinion

[toastedmonkey]

this is a good opertunity for you to learn good debating skills, if you hate america and like communism then you will have your own reasons for that. This is what you debate with, if ned be do a little research into your belifs and get some stats - make as difficult as possible for them to argue reasonably without getting into a name calling match. Always avoid genralisations and name calling.

Arguements
Communism - becuase you belive in equality
Anti U$A - deaths caused by them, arrogance and problems created by them i.e. the 3rd world

im sure you can think of your own.

[Nordic Rebel]

On USA not being the best country you could start on the statistics about how many live below powerty line and how many are food insecure (ie. dont know where their next meal is coming from if it's coming at all).

On the US imerialism you could tell them about all the dictators USA planted and supported (Suharto, Pinochet and many others around the world), subversion of democracy in Italy and support of military dictatorship in Greece after the WWII and the act of internatiol terrorism against El Salvador in the 80s (it was minig of the ports if IIRC).

And on the account of communism being the worst thing that happened to the world: How can an ideology that aims at emancipation of all and bringing about equal and fair society aq bad thing. If they start telling about USSR, China, Pol Pot and so on simply tell them that it isn't true marxist communism but stalinism wich is taking an ideology of freedom for all and raping it to a totalitarian system.

These are the first thing that poped to my mind. The most important thing is not to lose heart. Don't let them talk you out of communism as a road map to an better future.

[EneME]

Tell him that communism comes from the word community...that no one should oppress anyone, we should all live as equal and if he/she doesn't believe that everyone should live as equals then he/she is contributing and supporting those who exploit the poorest and continue the suffering in this world...

[Comrade Zeke]

Thank you for all of your support I want you tell your friend to keep comming to my forum and telling me their opionions because he need to beilive me thanks!!

Im tip my hat to you all for my support Comrade Zeke :D

[che's long lost daughter]

With the way, you speak English, I believe that you are not American. Anyhow, tell your friend that if he thinks that America is the best country in the world, then he is deluded. Most of the people I know also believe communism is evil and I think these people do not know what Communism really is. I guess that this is so because of the countries who had Communism as a form of government like Russia. Russia used to really have a bad reputation because of its "communistic" ways. In my country, there is a communist group called National People's Army and people are afraid of them because they collect what they call revolutionary tax and they even kill people. But what this group does or Russia used to do is an abuse of Communism and people kind of generalize what their idea of communism is. People who say communism is evil do not know what communism really is all about.

[j.guevara]

Communism isnt the most evil thing on the planet, people are so they will fuck it up. I doubt it will ever work.

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 01:37 AM
Communism isnt the most evil thing on the planet, people are so they will fuck it up. I doubt it will ever work.
if you think something is impossible than it has become impossible.

[RedComrade]

Friends think communism is evil ehh? we've all had that one happen.

Next time he brings up his imperialist ravings ask him this, if all communist countries are bad then Cuba must be terrible as well correct? Im assuming hell answer yes of course. This is where you go in for a kill. Ask him: " If Cuba's so bad how do you explain its status and the only country in the western hemisphere to provide its people with both free and universal education as well as free and universal health care? How do you explain Cuba having a higher literacy rate then the United States (over 98%)? How do you explain Cuba having the highest average living age in Latin America at over 76 years (just one year below the imperialist pigs to the north)? How do you explain Cuba having the lowest infant mortality rates and highest per capita total of doctors in latin america? Most likely hell say "those are all communist lies!" say "oh really because i got all of this off of the cia world factbook, a study done by the same organisation that attempted to assasinate castro 6 times!" That should get him, if he keeps bugging you, let the comrades here at che-lives know and we shall aid you in dispersing the inifinite wisdom of the People's philosophy.

[Comrade Zeke]

To RedComrade:Accually Im the one bugging him now a long time ago he was bugging me and he Humliated me in front of alot of people he thinks America is the best because he is a real patriot. What should I do?? lay off him or keep trying to not so Narrow Minded about stuff? :(

[RedComrade]

If he's really getting pissed off and you are risking alienating him at the cost off your friendship lay off of him, at least for now. I have many friends who are preety far right, some of them might even fit the definition of a fascist even if they dont know about or despise Hitler and Mussolini. Despite my disagreements with them in politics they are still good friends and I would never bug them to the point of alienation. However if they want to stop being friends with you just because of your political persuasion now thats a different story.

But if he's willing to talk about it follow the steps prescribed in the previous post, that should catch him up, at least for now.

[Comrade Zeke]

Thanks Comrade Red. :rolleyes:

I know this is off topic but how do you get the little blue boxes to go up on your side..you know from like to Guerrila to sub-commente'??? :huh:

[Hawker]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 13 2004, 02:03 AM
Thanks Comrade Red. :rolleyes:

I know this is off topic but how do you get the little blue boxes to go up on your side..you know from like to Guerrila to sub-commente'??? :huh:
post a lot.

[Communist_Block]

Originally posted by che's long lost [email protected] 12 2004, 12:34 AM
With the way, you speak English, I believe that you are not American.
Believe It.....I know...I am one of the friends that "thinks communism is evil" but he put it pretty harsh...his other friend, Darur (hes prick about his name being on the net) is the one thats anti-commie....your friend "comrade zeke" is just trying to get revenge because Darur posted something about America on his Paintball forum....hes just trying to get his sick, twisted revenge (as he did by tearing apart my girlfriend and I) anyway....hes a good person, and I dont discriminate aginst religion or politics, and I believe that the communist party has some pretty good views... As for Darur, he should burn in hell with the Bush Family.... :D

[RosaRL]

There are many people out there that think communism is bad and that is understandable. They often have not heard anything different than that all their lives - and may have even heard many of the cold war horror stories about communism.

If someone is really interested as to why I think communism is a good thing, I dont mind taking the time to explain. However, trying to win over backward people to supporting communism is just going to wear you down.

As to the issue of america - so what? It has a high standard of living because it leaches off of and exploites much of the rest of the world. It doesnt do any good to deny that high standard of living, but the real question is - at what cost?

Also, I dont uphold the US Gov in any way. I dont call myself an 'american' - I just happened to be born here. Many people get really wrapped up in the nationalism, but the prolitarite is a multinational and international class.

[ComradeRed]

comrade zeke, that was red comrade, i am comrade red, our names are almost the same (we're like brothers! no, not really....) but red comrade writes a lot more than me.

the best way i argue against ignorant cappies is playing off their ignorance. first, socialism is the same as communism (event thought it isnt). second, norway is the best country in the world. third, norway is socialist. therefore, socialism creates the best countries in the world. hehehehe.
if he brings up cuba, explain that they cannot trade with ANYONE. it caould work better if america lifted the illegal embargo.
hehehe, playing off ignorant cappies.

[kylieII]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 11 2004, 08:05 PM
Attention every a couple days ago my very best friend got together a bunch of his stupid paintball buddies and he ask this question to them my friend does not appreeceate that he is an American. I got a bunch of people telling me their stories of 3rd world countries and stuff and my friend called me a rasiciast bastard because i dont beilive that America is a good nation. HE ALSO SAID COMMUNISM WAS THE MOST EVIL THING ON THE PLANET. SO I ASK ALL OF YOU MY FELLOW COMRADES THAT AMERICA IS NOT THE BEST NATION AND COMMUNISM IS NOT EVIL. PLEASE I NEED TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND COVIENCE HIM WHY I DONT LIKE AMERICA BECAUSE IT IS CORRUPT.PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINOINS ABOUT COMMUNISM AND THE IMPRELIST USA

THANKS COMRADE ZEKE.
P.S EVERY ONE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT HOW BAD AMERICA IS :D
my friend does not appreeceate that he is an American.
Ahh, an american huh? well that explains it all i guess.

my friend called me a rasiciast bastard because i dont beilive that America is a good nation
Dude wtf, everyone knows how the US is the root of all evil. Theyre the racists ones, they probably secretly have american flags in their homes, and are plotting to help america invade you!

SO I ASK ALL OF YOU MY FELLOW COMRADES THAT AMERICA IS NOT THE BEST NATION AND COMMUNISM IS NOT EVIL.
America is not a person, nor an institution. It is a piece of land, a very large piece of land, where lots of people live. These people all hold different views and interact with people differently. The idea its possible to make any generalisation about them their actions or views is ridiculous.

Communism is an economic and social theory. It is not possible for it to have qualities such as good or evil. It can be claimed that those who make it or support it are evil, in the same way that rock music is the work of the devil.

PLEASE I NEED TO CHANGE HIS MIND AND COVIENCE HIM WHY I DONT LIKE AMERICA BECAUSE IT IS CORRUPT.PLEASE VOICE YOUR OPINOINS ABOUT COMMUNISM AND THE IMPRELIST USA

Communism is an economic extreme related to Marxism, it has interesting points and has a lot of relevance to the real world today. It also has many flaws.
The USA is a country, in which there is some people who I like, some who I dont, and most who I dont. The government of the USA I dislike, as it is not representing the wishes of those it is meant to serve.

P.S EVERY ONE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT HOW BAD AMERICA IS
Yeah lets just nuke the bastard, that'll make everything better. Actually, that reminds me of those people who after 9/11 said we should nuke 'islam'. But hey ours is against the real enemy so its ok.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Don't risk losing him as a friend..simply say, well we are entitled to our oppinions and yours is that communism is a disease that should be cured and America are almighty and great...You are a true American.

You will feel good, he will feel good and you can go back to paintball :)

[kylieII]

I had to go before I was finished.
Comrade Zeke, why do you support marxism? What is it about other theories that you dislike? A good way to respond to the person would be to ask yourself those questions, and then give the answers to him/her.

And on the account of communism being the worst thing that happened to the world: How can an ideology that aims at emancipation of all and bringing about equal and fair society aq bad thing. If they start telling about USSR, China, Pol Pot and so on simply tell them that it isn't true marxist communism but stalinism wich is taking an ideology of freedom for all and raping it to a totalitarian system.
It is still based on marxist ideology and marxist goals. Whether you think it is 'true' marxism or not is just a value judgement.

we should all live as equal and if he/she doesn't believe that everyone should live as equals then he/she is contributing and supporting those who exploit the poorest and continue the suffering in this world...

What about equality of opportunity? That is not supporting us living as equals, just having equal chances. Yet it also is not supporting the idea of one class exploiting another. There is other ways to oppose the modern capitalist ideology other than through Marxism.

oh wtf goddamnit hes restricted so he cant reply anyway.

[The Feral Underclass]

Most people who attack communism only have one view of it. Stalinism. Their hatred of communism is not at all unjustified. What so called "communism" has achieved in the world is completely the opposite of what it actually is. This is your starting point when trying to debate the virtues of communism. He probably only has this perspective of communism and knows nothing more about it. Ask him why he thinks it's evil and I will bet you my house he says it's because of stalin. Then explain to him that Stalin wasnt a communist and that Russia, china and cuba are not examples of communism. Give him essays to read if he is interested and kindly remind him that if he wants to attack you beliefs he needs to know what he's talking about. He clearly dosnt.

As for the USA you need to be careful with your choice of words. I do not hate america, or americans, and neither should you. What I hate is the US administration and ruling elite. It is those people who are creating the problems in the world. Explain to him that it is not america you hate, but the way america is being governed. It is the US state department and the white house you hate. Tell him why you hate them. A good book to read is "Why do people hate america?" it is slightly biased but offers endless facts and statistcs about the US foreign policy past and present which he may be interested in knowing about.

If all else fails just remember that you are right, that you're beliefs are good and honourable and that the only problem you have is caring about the world too much. Oh how easy it would be to be ignorant. :ph34r:

[Xprewatik RED]

Tell him how half of America's homeless are mentally ill because the statesmen don't care about these people who in capitalism are considerd"scum" and the "vermon" of society. These are the poeple that freeze after a snow storm or drown after a flood in the middle fo the city. They cannot get a job because no one will hire them and they won't seek help because many lack logic.

[Valishin]

Anyhow, tell your friend that if he thinks that America is the best country in the world, then he is deluded.
Right off the bat very bad idea. The last thing you want to do to convince an american of anything is to insult him. American's and I dare say most people will completely zone you out and ignore anything might have to say after that point.

Now you want to go about showing him that he is incorrect, first of all you need to get him to define his priorites. Because that is what defines what he will view as the best/worst system. Then you need to use his priorities to show how the system you think is best will serve those priorities better than the system he is supporting.

If you can't do that then you are wrong because for him the other system is better. That doesn't make it better/worse for everyone else. But his priorities will define what is best from his perspective.

It would also help when dealing with communism specificly to give proof of its successful implementation. Because that is why communism is viewed in the light of Stalinism, simply because that is what people see as real life implementation of the system. Until you can show them otherwise then cannot break that connection.


How do you explain Cuba having a higher literacy rate then the United States (over 98%)?
Be very careful with that one, because the easy come back is to remove the adult first generation immigrants who were educated in a different country from the equation. At which point US literacy becomes nearly 100%.


second, norway is the best country in the world. third, norway is socialist. therefore, socialism creates the best countries in the world. hehehehe
Another one to be very weary off using. First off which is BEST is a matter of opinion. Secondly Norway has the ability to exploit the most profitable natural resource on the planet. And to their credit they do a darn good job of it for achieving their goal. BUT the problem is that if that system were taken to other locations on the planet would it still strive without all that oil? If your not VERY knowledgable about the dynamics of the system and their implementation you would be digging your own hole on this one.


Tell him how half of America's homeless are mentally ill because the statesmen don't care about these people who in capitalism are considerd"scum" and the "vermon" of society. These are the poeple that freeze after a snow storm or drown after a flood in the middle fo the city. They cannot get a job because no one will hire them and they won't seek help because many lack logic.
Blaten lies aren't going to help your case any so ignore this one at all cost. There are many downsides of the US system but learn the facts before you start making rediculous claims. Using this one as an example, it is far to easy to point to the homeless shelters that exist in every US city as well as the various programs both public and private that exist to help those in need with a hand up. The issue to address with the homeless is why do they choose not partake in these programs. You have to be honest about the whole thing, otherwise you have defeated yourself from the start.

[Comrade Zeke]

Thank you fellow Comrades I appresated it,very much.

The basic argument starts over who is a better president.....Fidel Castro or George Bush. Oviosely he says George Bush. We have got into many arrguments before and he is just a stubborn bastard who doesn't listen to my ideas and what the facts are about Communism. He zones me out and just say:Communism isn't right cause it is not free. And he is like a big Ronald Regan fan. To proove to him not to be so narrow mind im going to get all your opions all the information about Communism its beinfits and it downsides then im going to write up in like a 50 page report im going to hand it to him and say if you dont read this and stop being such a fasiast then im not going to not apprecciet your veiws on things anymore. And it is true he thinks that Americans are suppeior to every other race. IM AN AMERICAN BUT I DO NOT THINK OF MY SELF AS SUPPOIOR TO ANYONE. So that is what im going to do. :)

[ComradeRed]

from the SOVIET constitution
Article 3

The Soviet state is organized and functions on the principle of democratic centralism, namely the electiveness of all bodies of state authority from the lowest to the highest, their accountability to the people, and the obligation of lower bodies to observe the decisions of higher ones. Democratic centralism combines central leadership with local initiative and creative activity and with the responsibility of the each state body and official for the work entrusted to them.

Article 50 [Expression]



(1) In accordance with the interests of the people and in order to strengthen and develop the socialist system, citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly, meetings, street processions and demonstrations.

(2) Exercise of these political freedoms is ensured by putting public buildings, streets, and squares at the disposal of the working people and their organizations, by broad dissemination of information, and by the opportunity to use the press, television, and radio.
that sounds pretty damn free to me.

[Comrade Zeke]

Not exacly Comrade Red it wasn't free they didn't have freedom of Speech or the press in the Soveit Union and all Soveit Presidents rule for life their was only 6 of them Krucesv was the only one that didn't rule for life. So the Soveit Union Sadely to say was not free. But Yugoslavia was a little more free. :P

[ComradeRed]

like a comrade said earlier that it was STALIN who ignored the constitution. it is actually quite good, better checks and balances if they weren't liquadated. stalinism is the worse communism type, try explaining that. failing this, try beating him to a bloody pulp with a communist bat.

[John Galt]

Tell your friend that he is a wise man, and should be proud to be against the looters

[The Feral Underclass]

Tell your friend that he is a wise man, and should be proud to be against the looters

Restrict him, then steal all his belongings and give them to a homeless person.... :ph34r:

[Doda_Norrmaennen]

Communism=fucked up!

[Hawker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 04:34 PM
Communism=fucked up!
Doda_Norrmaennen=Fucked up Yankee pig!

[Communist_Block]

:D I just want to say a few more things....

in regards to this ::::

my friend called me a rasiciast bastard because i dont beilive that America is a good nation
Dude wtf, everyone knows how the US is the root of all evil. Theyre the racists ones, they probably secretly have american flags in their homes, and are plotting to help america invade you!

I know that my friend Comrade_Zeke believes that America sux out its asshole, and the paintball frenzied faggot that started this whole thing is the most fasist person you'll ever meet, butplease stop loading my friend"s head with crazy anti-american shit..... The american government is obviously corrupt, but i have a small feeling that Comrade_Zeke's paintabll friend is not leading an anti-communism campaign against him....so get your crazy mind out of the gutter and stick it somewhere it belongs....

(preferably the blender :D )