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RadioRaheem84
14th July 2013, 21:11
I need help perfecting this analogy for my father in laws reactionary newsletter:

Let's say there is a small town that has gone through a drought and may experience a famine. A few miles on the outskirts of the town there is a huge landowner sitting on the only arable land for miles. The towns people are clamoring the mayor of the town to go and purchase the land from him. The mayor obliges the town folk and seeks the approval of the landowner to purchase the land. The landowner refuses and says that this land is not for sale and no way will he give it up. He can rent it out to them but his price is far too much for the towns folk to afford.

The mayor comes back and tells the town folk that they cannot have the land. Anger stirs up in the town and they all agree to expropriate the land and use it to farm before they all starve. Politics has failed and they go after the land. Upon meeting the land owner, he put his foot down and gives a riveting speech about how they're impeding on his rights to property and individual liberty. This land he says, has been in his family six generations and it belongs to him. If they give in to this unruliness they're giving in to mob rule and it will lead to tyranny.

The question I ask is what is the right thing to do here? Should the towns people take this man's land to keep from starving or should they respect his rights to property, thus solidifying the sacred law of private property?

Since I've asked this question after telling this little story, a lot of my friends have said that it's not right for the towns folk to steal his land. It's the man's land he says and his family worked so hard for it so it would be wrong for them to take it. What if that was your land, they ask?

Apparently the exercise is supposed to determine how much people will defend the ideal of private property over the reality that people will starve if they do uphold it.

Need help to see this from all angles. Libertarians feel free to give your insight.

Lenina Rosenweg
14th July 2013, 21:40
It sounds somewhat like the lifeboat metaphor used by Garret Hardin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_ethics

Right wingers and survivalists refer to this today.

The movie Lifeboat by Hitchcock, from an earlier era (1944) is partly a rebuttal against this type of thinking.


A bit vague but this may help.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeboat_(film)

RadioRaheem84
14th July 2013, 21:55
Well the point is more about how conservatives care less about the actual helping of people and more about maintaining the ideal of private property which they believe preserves and extends life to the fullest even it means a few will have to perish. They don't feel any remorse about it because they believe in limited resources and that history points to unequal societies being a natural occurrence, a part of the human condition that we cannot fix. Doing so is going against nature and it's madness.

Fawkes
14th July 2013, 22:07
Take the land and divide it up amongst themselves as they see fit. What possible right could this person have to the land? He did not produce it nor is he the sole person capable of reaping its benefits.


Well the point is more about how conservatives care less about the actual helping of people and more about maintaining the ideal of private property which they believe preserves and extends life to the fullest even it means a few will have to perish. They don't feel any remorse about it because they believe in limited resources and that history points to unequal societies being a natural occurrence, a part of the human condition that we cannot fix. Doing so is going against nature and it's madness.

The inherent problem with that line of thinking is that a "few" will not perish, many will perish. In order for a few to be wealthy, many have to be poor because that wealth is the result of theft from those who produced it. And unequal societies are not a natural occurrence by any means, they're actually a relatively recent phenomenon. And there's no such thing as the human condition. And I don't understand how someone could make the argument that private property advances societies, in fact, it's very much a hindrance. So many of the great advances humans have made have been in spite of private property, not because of it.