Osama Bin Laden Tape

[Red Star]

It seems the evidence is quite conclusive that Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the terroist action against the world trade center and pentagon. I hope that the tape is enough to put some of you to rest who defended Osama.

[CommieBastard]

nobody here defended Osama Bin Laden, they merely questioned his guilt.

As to the evidence, I am reluctant to accept anything presented by the US, whose FBI is in particular famed for it's evidence-doctoring.

[El Commandante]

Notice how the news channels and FBI made a big show of it being independently checked. CB is right, no one defended the actions of OBL, we all in outrage and shock at the events. But I do think that the tape was off him, it is pretty hard to fake the detail of conversation and get an identical man, if you look he towers of all of them there and has to duck under doors.

Could have been a very convincing fake or he could have just firmly nailed shut his coffin.

[CommieBastard]

they claim the video was just 'found' in a house in jilalibad...
doesnt sound brilliantly convincing to me.
And is it that unlikely that such a convincing fake could be created? do remember, the US has access to some of the best hardware and software around...
hell, for all we even know it's just a tape of osama in which they've dubbed over the speech... lip out of sync? well, they could probably edit that...

but anyway, i am in no way saying that that is what i think has definately happened, i am jsut saying there is no way we can 100% trust the 'evidence', tho i think it fairly likely it was Osama.
but still, what ever happened to innocent UNTIL proven guilty? The police can't just go raiding someone's house to find evidence just because they have suspiciouns of criminality...

[jimr]

either way, it proves that he had fore knowledge of the attack, however, he may just be taking advantage of what happened to gain more support.

I believe he is guilty however, i dont believe that it really matters. The fact that 3000 people died is horrible. But it is nothing compared to the 10 000 + killed during Israels invasion of Lebanon.

Also American should be more concerned about why these attacks happened rather than how to kill teh attackers. America has many enemies, and they make more and more each day. It is time, I think, for America to re-evaluate its foriegn policy and try to fix the problems that are fueling fundamentalist hate and address these rather than bombing one of the most poorest Countries in teh world and no doubt fueling yet more hatred while at te same time killing thousands more innocents.

[CommieBastard]

Like so many other situations (like ireland) the weaponry, death and fighting are like the leaves of a weed, they are the unsightly things which draw our attention to the problem. Pruning the leaves or stamping all over them (if you're american) will not kill the weed, the roots will still be there, and it will grow back again. The problems are deeper, and it is the core deep issues which need resolving before the weed will go away.
However, i would say that the issues which need resolving are not to do with american foreign policy (or that of the UK) but even they are nothing more than a cover over the even deeper problems with the very nature of our societies.

[z80x86]

None of these problems with the Middle East would be happening if we got our fist out of their ass. Just pull out of countries like Israel and Iraq and everyone will be happy.

[CommieBastard]

After the foundations of damage lain down, simply pulling out is not a solution, the damage done must be repaired. The Israeli's still use discounted US military hardware...

[Derar]

i watched the tape today on cnn .......
all i can say is that the translation wasnt 100% right . For Example :
in a word where usama was talking about events that happend long time ago ( in the prophet muhammed era ) , he mentioned something about the refugees that fled mekka becoz they were tortured , in arabic refugees is ( Muhajereen ) , instead they translated it ( Mujahedeen ) and i think most of u know what it means .......

even if the tape was 100% true ............ i didnt see any evidence on usama bin laden that he carried out the attacks , all he said that he was happy whith what happend , and that he had connections and knew what's gonna happen before it did happen ....... does that make him guilty enough ? i dont think so .....
Its just onother american game to justify what it did in afganistan !!

[Michael]

I hope you don't believe everything you see Redstar...

I saw the tape today,though I couldn't understand the language,and I also know that Al Jazeera said it was a fake tape.How can a man who's called such a terrorist, the number 1 enemy for the US,how can he forget a tape in a house somewhere?
Right now I doubt more redstar..

[Son of Scargill]

OBL most likely was involved,if not the main instigator of the attacks.The only problem I have is with this tape being hailed as conclusive evidence.I believe it was filmed on,or around,Nov. 9,nearly two months after sept11,and the talk is of many things that have already been well documented in the media.I fail to grasp how this could ever be considered"conclusive"in any way whatsoever.If that's the case,then I'll tape myself and some friends talking about how General Galtieri was my puppet,and how it was really my plan to invade the Falklands......before you know it,Tony Blair will be carpet bombing Nottingham.But seriously,this tape would not stand up in any civilised court in the world.

And CB,good analogy about the weeds,and the point about the state of our own society

[Viva Zapata]

I don't believe the tape's for real. it's possible to let dinosaurs walk over a big screen so it's also possible to manipulate this. I personally do think he did it but I don't believe this one. I've heard that a lot of muslim people couldn't understand what he was saying on the tape, it was all very vague. He also said something 'bout Holland,that lots of people turned muslim all of a sudden. according to muslim groups over here that's not true at all. I believe the tape was lip synchred(spelling?) to fabricate some kind of evidence.

[Guest]

I think the tape is bunk myself,check out this article:
http://www.rense.com/general18/comm.htm

[Viva Zapata]

yes guest, I've read the article and it makes perfect sense. but I'm sure that billions of people will fall for it, too bad that I don't have the conversation on a video tape myself.

[Red Star]

Ha Ha I laugh at you fantatics who can't accept the truth. Derar I thought it was quite convincing when Osama said he had predicted the casualties and planned to take just the top part of the towers. That seems to me like he was part of the planning. Do you people really think a conspiracy could be made about this tape that will no doubt be scrutinized by hundreds of experts. The media has already checked it for any flaws. But you will believe what you want even if it's not the truth because your mind is clouded with fantaic bull shit.

[CommieBastard]

As i said, i think Osama did it, but that there aint the proof.
You simply cannot trust anything which the US govt. presents as evidence. Don't forget, in war the first casualty is truth, which exactly why people hate the idea of a perpetual war on terrorism. You don't think in times of war the media cannot be pressured to tow the government line? Think back to every other war there's been, what makes you think this one is so different?

(Edited by CommieBastard at 11:40 pm on Dec. 14, 2001)

[Derar]

Redstar said : " Derar I thought it was quite convincing when Osama said he had predicted the casualties and planned to take just the top part of the towers. That seems to me like he was part of the planning "

well he said he predicted the casualties !! hmmmmm...... didnt most of the ppl try to predict the casualties when they saw this on TV , i guess then all of them planned for the attacks !!

Redstar said : " The media has already checked it for any flaws "

Which media r u talking about ? CNN !!!!!! hahahaha ....
u better be kidding dude.

It really sucks when anger blinds a person !

[rebel with a cause]

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby, former director of the CIA

I hate Laden with a passion, I'd give him a vasectomy with a 12 gauge shotgun, but I know what the US government has done in the past, I know what they're capable of now, and it's totally possible the tape was doctored.

[Kez]

The FBI has had 3 months to screw that tape over if it wanted to,so for me the tape doesnt really prove anything spectacualr, just that the USA is gonna stck to its anti-bin laden way
I think OBL is a rucking mother trucker and he shud be given a good kick in.
He supports the azeri fighters in their fight against the indeginous people of Kharaback in azerbaijan, and thats where there is a war now.

Fuck Bin Laden, just do it right this time yankees
comrade kamo

[Guest]

I have little doubt the tape is a forgery check out
www.rense.com or www.whatreallyhappened.com
or www.warpeace.org new updates for fri 21

[flames of the flag]

where the hell would people in jalilibad get a video camera, moreover what where they d ing with it.
in true islamic tradition one is not supposed to have such pleasures as a vid cam. As we all know osama is a very dedicated muslim :. he would conform to these traditions.
I read an article that said the tape was translated by the bush administration. Who on the bush administration speaks arabic? moreover any american who does is in afghanistan translating interviews for cnn. One can plainly see that one of bushes advisors just made some totally incriminating stuff up so osama could look guilty. any one having blind faith in this tape is foolish

[peaccenicked]

One in three americans believe the tape is a fake
Bin Laden's family doubt the tape
Al Jazeera claims it is a fake
I know it is a fake look at rense.com (http://www.rense.com/general18/wrong.html)

[peaccenicked]

mistaken link drop the last 'l' of html to htm

[Guest]

The tape proves his innocence when it comes to being the "mastermind" but it also proves that he does know who did it. Thats probally why the US goverment wants him so much,because he might be a liability.

[flames of the flag]

i disagree.
after the tape was released the mayor of rudy giuliani made a speach saying that it confirmed his guilt so the u.s. is not considering him a liability

[flames of the flag]

go to rense.com and click on osama video-wrong nose

[Red Star]

I ask you all that think it is a fake. How could a conspiracy be kept that large? All the people involved in the production of the tape, all the people that have scrutinized it, and no credible news angencies report it is a fake. If it was you'd be seeign it on the nightly news, not some conspiracy theory website.

[Derar]

We are talking here about the FBI with the CIA ..... 2 of the most powerful intelligence agencies in the world !

they could make a whole country dissapear with its ppl and no one would know about it !!

[Taj]

I cant beleve it either that a video with such hard evidence was just laying in a house! and they still cant find Osama? hmmm... thats a bit strange! I don't say that it is fake or something it can be that Osama made it to misleed the Americans. He isn't stupid!