Is pro-capitalist union still better than no union?

[B5C]

I know a union is better than no union at all, but how does a union help the worker if the union continues to support capitalism.

I live in the Pacific Northwest. The biggest unions other than the Teacher's Unions are Boeing's Mechanics Union. From what I can see from discussing with other union members around here. It sounds like these major Unions want an partnership with the capitalist forces than protect the worker. I've seen many times Boeing Unions fall into the demands of Boeing because they are scared seeing jobs being shipped to North Carlina where Boeing has no-union work sites.

Also look at the examples in France where the Unions there are cutting back the benefits of the workers to support the Capitalists:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d7eb57c6-c920-11e2-bb56-00144feab7de.html#axzz2YZvjf2j9

I really love to see the IWW get big enough to try to unionize a Target or Wal-Mart, but the only unions like AFL-CIO or SEIU are only strong enough to attack. Yet, I don't trust AFL-CIO or SEIU to actually defend the workers.

[Remus Bleys]

While IWW is perferable, capitalist unions are better then nothing. At least procap unions do *some* things for their workers.

[ComradeOm]

I suggest that you ask those union members how much they are being paid, and what benefits they enjoy, relative to an equivalent role in a non-unionised workplace. That will give a good indication as to how a 'capitalist union' "helps the worker"

[Brandon's Impotent Rage]

Yeah, I also wish the IWW was as big as it used to be...but you work with what you have. The good thing about the IWW though is that they take all comers, so no matter your trade they will accept you. Whereas regular American unions are trade specific and basically operate as businesses.

That's not to say you should completely give up on said unions. They DO have their uses. Just recognize that they have there limitations.