Nicolae Ceausescu- Builder of Romania......

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Nicolae Ceausescu- Builder of Romania,Social Hero, And International Statesman For Peace And Cooperation Among All Peoples!

Since the collapse of socialism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, socialism as a form of government, its leaders, its practices, have all been demonized. But none more then Nicolae Ceausescu who was General Secretary of the PCR (Parteoul Communisti Romania) from 1965-1989, when he and his wife were executed in a military coup d’etat. Since then, Romania has been in turmoil. Living standards are lower then they ever were under Ceausescu, poverty is on the rise, ultra-nationalist groups frequently attack the Roma or gypsies of Romania, whose traditions were celebrated under Ceausescu, while the authorities turn a blind eye to the attacks. Polls show cast support and even nostalgia for the Ceausescu era. The Romanian working class hails Ceausescu as a hero, for under communism, they were a celebrated and widely respected social class in society. When the workers protest, they always have portraits of Nicolae Ceausescu and chant old communist slogans.


Some of the key achievements of socialism under the leadership of Ceausescu in Romania include the construction of factories, hydroelectric plants and schools, free education, equal opportunities for everyone to pursue higher education at an inexpensive price, the further advancement of modern technology and science, the building of millions of apartment complexes, free housing in these flats, 0% unemployment for those wanting a job, irrigation for agriculture, collectivization and cooperative agriculture, the great general economic success achieved throughout the 1970’s and into the early 1980’s, the industrialization of Romania, and most of all the workers and village committees in which people could democratically debate issues, give suggestions and complaints, and know for a fact that the state would listen and take into consideration these claims. Though living standards plummeted in the mid and 1980’s, to an extent where the flats people lived in would not have running water, and due to food shortages limits had to be placed on how much food was bought by an individual. Even in the 1980’s, however, Ceausescu guaranteed for the first time that every peasant received 200 kilograms of wheat per person, not per family, and was entitled to even more. The struggles were all for one reason -- the PCR thought it necessary to completely pay off their debts to the IMF, whom they had borrowed from in the past. The debt had just been paid off when Ceausescu and his wife were shot without a fair trial.

Also, the claims that the couple stole hundreds of millions dollars which was supposed to go to the cut back of the debt and placed the money in Swiss bank accounts is ridiculous and absurd. Various commissions have failed to trace $400 million the couple allegedly deposited in Swedish bank accounts. The key achievements by Ceausescu show why, as shown through numerous polls, a clear majority of Romanians consider Ceausescu their best leader ever in the history of Romania, and show a clear longing for a return to the simple, good and normal life led under socialism with the guidance of Nicolae Ceausescu!

Nicolae Ceausescu was also an international statesman who struggled for peace and cooperation among all peoples. He not only developed diplomatic relations with all but one of the socialist countries, but also with many others, regardless of their social system. Ceausescu always sent aid and support to liberation movements across the world, but especially in Africa, in an attempt to destroy colonialism and neo-colonialism, therefore freeing the African peoples from the oppression and discrimination they faced under colonial rule. Nicolae Ceausescu was also a campaigner for Israeli-Palestinian peace, with respect to the valid points on both sides, and for an equal and fair agreement by the two sides that would leave them both pleased. A leading Israeli ambassador to Romania wrote: “Ceausescu foresaw the beginning of the peace process; he acted with all his might to advance it, but he did not live to see it happen. However, there is absolutely no doubt about his influence on the birth of the process – both on Israel’s side and on the PLO.”

This concludes the story of a hero. Long live Ceausescu! Builder of Romania, social hero, and international statesman for peace and cooperation among all peoples.





No spam.No typical bouregoise claims.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Good article. Your writing skills have developed nicely in the last few months. Try making a few more paragraphs....It will be easier on the eyes you dig?

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Thank you for your support.Yes,I'll split it up.

[Bolshevika]

I agree, Comrade Ceacesescu, you ought to try and space between paragraphs more because it is a litte hard on the eyes in that form.

[Comrade Zeke]

[/B]Comrade Cheausecu' Your speech was Excelnt but sorry to say I have to make some protest.

First off Nicole Cheausecu was one of those Dictators who admired Hitler Communism arch fow after Capitalism.Number 2 although he did all that stuff for the people,as you said he did a lot more worse stuff. He made it seem like the Communist party was in power but they wern't him and his wife were. The one thing I admire about him is that he is the only Communist the said the invasion of Chezslovkia was wrong and I think he was right anyway more reasons he was bad.......He made the Rommania people smile in front of him by the force of grauds in back of them. He was Brutal and he mey have built hospitals but how many people were secretly murder by his Secret Police. And Rommania under Cheausecu was worse then today. He was a rasiast bastard who tryed to whipe the Hungarnian race off the face of the earth. Im sorry if im hurting your feelings but there all facts[B]he was a dictator who mey have done good stuff in 1965 when he came to power but by the end of the carreer people were were throwing rotten apple at him trust me when i was around 7 years old I saw the Rommania people put his body on display in front of the place he was shot as he ran from the people of Rommania screeming down WITH CHEAUSECU!! Im sorry if I hurt your feeling im just telling you why he may not be the best guy. NO OFFENCE :unsure:

[Comrade Ceausescu]

It is not clear to me what you are saying, really, because you have no sentence structure.

[Loknar]

Didnt this man want to make Vlad the impaler a national icon?

[Comrade Zeke]

sorry Im really tired Comrade Ceausecu.
All im saying is that Cheausecu,Dictator of Rommania was not the best leader. He may have build hospitals and schools and granted land,but he killed more people with his secret police more then he helped them. At the end of his reign of power the Rommania econmony was defastated. He believed in Hitler and admire him. As you know the worse thing that we Communist hate is Fasicism,Capitalism and Imprelism. Adolf Hitler was a fasicaist. Nicolae Ceusescu was a brutal ruthless man. Him and his wife ruled Rommania not the communist party. HE made his secret police the hold guns at the people of Rommania to make them smile every time he passed in front of them,trust me he was not loved. Finnaly at the end of his rain of terror he began to build a palace for himself in Burcharest. He slaughtered thousands of Hungarians and tried to get them out of the country because he was a rasiast and he wanted the Rommanias to be more "Pure." Finnaly at the end the people saw looked deep into thier hearts and saw him as not as a saivor but a monster. They threw fruit at him and 6 days before christmas the Rommanias began a civil war with the Dictator's Secret Police. They won and they draged him into a sqaure in Burcharest. He didn't die like Che Guevara did standing proud before he was shot he ran around the court yard and died in a corrner quivering like the rat he was alone and afraid. So No offence but I can not admire a dictator who slaughtered Hungarians and didn't care about the Rommania people,just about himself. Fidel Castro,Tito,Ho Chi mid, Che Guevara are all great Communist leaders because they cared about their people. Nicolae Ceausescu was like Stalin and Mao ruthless Killers who only love themselfs. Im sorry if I like Castro more. No Offence

I tip my hat to you,you are a great writer.
Comrade Zeke

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Didnt this man want to make Vlad the impaler a national icon?
Its called cultural identity.Though Vlad was an awful man personally,he did some of good for the area.Certainly I am not defending him as a person.Just saying whether directly or indirectly his rule did some good.

All im saying is that Cheausecu,Dictator of Rommania was not the best leader. He may have build hospitals and schools and granted land,but he killed more people with his secret police more then he helped them. At the end of his reign of power the Rommania econmony was defastated. He believed in Hitler and admire him. As you know the worse thing that we Communist hate is Fasicism,Capitalism and Imprelism. Adolf Hitler was a fasicaist. Nicolae Ceusescu was a brutal ruthless man. Him and his wife ruled Rommania not the communist party.

This is not true in the least bit.Ceausescu studied Hitler And Mussolini's charisma and nothing else.He thought that their charisma was very interesting.There was nothing else to that.Why would he love fascism and nazism when he spent three years in a concentration camp like prison and was beaten so badly by nazi guards that he sufferd a speech impedament the rest of his life.The PCR ruled Romania.There is no proof that he ran it.The CC meetings were fair.He was voted against.Delegates were elcected for each village and town for the party congresses and to head the workers committies.Ceausescu was elected General Seceraterary which he accpeted but in the 1970's he was elected President which he declined at first,but after popular demand he accepted.He was not ruthless in the least bit.


HE made his secret police the hold guns at the people of Rommania to make them smile every time he passed in front of them,trust me he was not loved. Finnaly at the end of his rain of terror he began to build a palace for himself in Burcharest. He slaughtered thousands of Hungarians and tried to get them out of the country because he was a rasiast and he wanted the Rommanias to be more "Pure." Finnaly at the end the people saw looked deep into thier hearts and saw him as not as a saivor but a monster. They threw fruit at him and 6 days before christmas the Rommanias began a civil war with the Dictator's Secret Police. They won and they draged him into a sqaure in Burcharest. He didn't die like Che Guevara did standing proud before he was shot he ran around the court yard and died in a corrner quivering like the rat he was alone and afraid. So No offence but I can not admire a dictator who slaughtered Hungarians and didn't care about the Rommania people,just about himself. Fidel Castro,Tito,Ho Chi mid, Che Guevara are all great Communist leaders because they cared about their people. Nicolae Ceausescu was like Stalin and Mao ruthless Killers who only love themselfs. Im sorry if I like Castro more. No Offence

Do you have any proof of this?I think its ridiculous.There was only security around the officials at the parades anyway.The secret police was made up of mostly workers anyway.It was sort of like a people's militia.The people of Romania loved Ceausescu.They still do today.I will give you articles.I also know a few people who lived under communism when Ceausescu was alive in Romania.They have no horror stories.They say it wasn't the best place to live,but they would never leave,and they made the best of the situation.He was not a racist.There was plenty of tention between Hungarians and Romanians.Why?Because the Hungarians and the Romanians have been fighting over Translyvania for a long,long,long time.Ceausescu always said things about how he was proud of workers "irrespective of nationality".What happend at the outset of the coup of 1989 was,Ceausescu organized a rally to show he still had support.A lot of pro-Ceausescu people came out,as they were there,a large,large amount of students came and started booing Ceausescu.These were Hungarians and Romanian students who were the "Radio Free Europe" type.Scuffles broke out.Ceausescu fled.He was caught I think in the middle of the highway by the putschers.They took him,set up a show trial,and excecuted him.Your claims that Ceausescu died like a rat are disgusting.He defended himself to the end.Even after he knew he was going to die.He never pleded for mercy.He defended himself and took his fate like a man.His body was put on display in Buchaerst by the putschers.He was buried.His grave is coverd with flowers and portraits of him put on by the people.I will give you those articles if you like.I am glad you enjoy my writing,but I see no reason to enjoy it if you cannot be open minded.*Salutes Ceausescu!*

[Comrade Zeke]

I have books and the top accounts of both Birtish and Rommanias jouranilists that he was not very loved. The living in Rommania was one of the poorest of the time they were living in Hovels and had no clean water and had poor educations. I have a Russian living in my house from the old U.S.S.R that when he passed through Rommania there were some Gypies comming up to his caboos to ask for bread. And the whole Rommania revoltuion started when a Hungarian preist,beged not to be let of of the country because he wanted to teech the people some othadox Chirstanity. Ceausescu told his Secret Police to get him out. The Rommains in the town of Tismimmorra i think that is how you spell it formed a ring around him to protect him. The Secret Police fired on the crowd supposdly killing 400 people. Anyway Ceausescu went out to Burcharest to proove if the people liked him (as you said)
He began to speak but then some liberal Communist Rommania students from the nerby univery came up with a banner saying down with the dicator. The crowd started to chatter and then those College students began to throw rotten apples at him Before that every one had been scared to death of the Dictator and didn't want to saying anything but this book I read called [I]Revoltuion in Eastern Eroupe written by an Polish man states that the crowed heard there own voices and they were no longer afraid. They began saying down with Ceausecu and dictator. The dictator tryed to calm the people down but they kept chanting down with Ceausecu!! He was air lifted out from his palce and he was captured by some Rommainans on the road 6 days after the civil war Erupted between the people,and the army against the secret police look at any history book it will clerely state the army and the entire popullence rose against him. They captured him on Chiristmas and then they shot him in a corrner. His wife was shot in the back as she was running through the court yard.
ROMMANIA now is a little better now but it will take time. Best of all the Rommanias are still PRO COMMUNIST AND THERE DEMOCRATIC THEIR LEADER ARE ELECTED NOW their leaders are alll former commusits to.IF Rommania was still rules by Ceausescu then it would be a hell hole no one whould be free now even the Communist party. I have books to back it up with. So Ceauscu athough he may have helped the people in the late 1960s and early 1970 he is not a Castro he did not inspire people and the people were too afraid to not like him. At gun point.That is my arrgument Comrade :P i have books and accounts to back it up with.

[Deniz Gezmis]

What about Ceausescu denying that HIV excisted in Romania? Meanwhile in children's care homes, Many were infected with HIV via unsterilized needles..

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Zeke,

BUCHAREST, Romania (AP) -- Ten years ago, dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and his widely despised wife, Elena, were executed after being ousted in a popular uprising. Romanians rejoiced.
Today, few Romanians are celebrating the December 1989 revolution -- and many are having second thoughts about the execution of Ceausescu -- who ruled Romania with an iron first for 25 years. He and his wife were shot to death by a firing squad after a summary trial on Dec. 25, 1989.
"The Ceausescus were killed so they couldn't talk. They should have given him a fair trial,'' said Mihai Borezescu, 55, who was stopped while passing by a monument to the victims of the revolution that spawned democracy.
"He was a human being after all,'' Borezescu said.
That was not the prevailing sentiment 10 years ago, when Romanians hailed the execution of the Ceausescus, who had lived in luxury while most Romanians went hungry and cold.
But today, with a sagging economy, rising unemployment and growing dissatisfaction with the government, Romanians seem more inclined to be forgiving of the oppressive Ceausescu era.
In opinion polls, up to two-thirds of Romanians surveyed say they led better lives under communism. In one recent poll, 20 percent of respondents said they believed Ceausescu was the best leader Romania ever had.
Some Romanians are ashamed that the Ceausescus were killed on a Christian holy day.
"It was a Christmas Day,'' said Cornelia Babes, 50. "It was wrong to kill him ... in principle.''
The subject of Ceausescu's execution is considered so delicate that the governments that succeeded him have never discussed it.
However, Valentin Ceausescu, the 51-year-old son of the late dictator, is outspoken about the way his parents were treated.
"I won't complain,'' he said in an interview with The Associated Press. "But what they did was so blatantly illegal.''
In downtown Bucharest, oval wreaths of red and white carnations, all from anti-communist groups, have been placed on memorials outside the former Communist Party headquarters. But there are no longer large outpourings of public sentiment.
On Wednesday, for example, only 70 people turned out for a re-enactment of the revolt. On Thursday, passersby did not even turn their heads to look at a marble memorial to the 1,000 people who died in the bloody revolt.
Still, one of the organizers of the Ceausescus' trial said there would have been no revolution had they been allowed to live.
"What made the revolution viable was the death of two people,'' said Gelu Voican Voiculescu, a former ambassador to Tunisia who now runs a publishing house in Bucharest.
"I buried them,'' Voiculescu said, "and I thought I'd buried communism with them.''



> ROMANIANS LIKED LIFE BETTER UNDER COMMUNISM
> Reuters
> November 21, 1999
> BUCHAREST, Romania -- Ten years after communism's fall, 4 in 5
Romanians
> are unhappy with the way they live, with 61 percent saying they were
> better off under the late dictator Nicolae Ceausescu, an opinion poll
> reports.
> "This is a very sad picture of Romanian society," political scientist
> Dorel Abraham told a news conference late last week while commenting
on
> the findings of the survey released by the Open Society Foundation.
> The survey also showed a dramatic plunge in popularity ratings for
> President Emil Constantinescu and his centrists, who are now trailing
> far behind the leftists they ousted in polls three years ago.
> "The situation in the country is very tense, the mood is bad and
> pessimism is on the rise," Abraham said.
> Disaster, poverty, chaos, difficulties and disorder were the words
> chosen by most of the 2,019 Romanians polled in late October to best
> describe the country's situation, as Romania prepares to mark 10 years
> since Eastern Europe's most violent anti-communist revolution.
> Perhaps not surprisingly, Abraham said, Ceausescu was chosen by most,
or
> 22 percent of those polled, as Romania's best leader ever

> The poll also showed that 84 percent of Romanians lack confidence in
the
> government after three years of a shrinking economy and widespread
> layoffs. More than 80 percent said they had lost confidence in
> parliament and political parties.
> Failure to meet promises of weeding out corruption, improving living
> standards and speeding up privatization also halved support for
> Constantinescu, now at a record low of 17 percent, down from 38
percent
> last year.
> Leftist rival Ion Iliescu, defeated by Constantinescu in 1996 polls
> after seven years in office, is now credited with 44 percent of
> credibility, up from 28 percent a year ago.
> With support for Constantinescu's centrists halved from June's 34
> percent, the survey showed that Iliescu's Party of Social Democracy
was
> the biggest gainer from what Abraham called "three years of
Ø mismanagement and hesitation."


Romanians long for 'good old days of communism'
By Julius Strauss in Bucharest
(Filed: 28/11/2000)
COMMUNISM could be making a return in Romania after more than ten years, but this time by popular demand.
In the gnawing cold of a winter afternoon, Florentina Ionescu stands on the kerb in one of Bucharest's industrial districts and sells tights and stockings for 25p a pair.
With a profit margin of around 4p on each, the divorced mother of two can make about £20 in a good month if she works long hours. She said: "Of course it was better under communism. Everybody had a job; everybody had a flat. Now I share two rooms with my children and three of my brothers. This isn't a life."
More than a decade after the dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife, Elena, were hauled in front of a firing squad, a clear majority of Romanians say life was better when he was in charge. It is in this context that hardline nationalists and former communists appear to have trounced the centrists and moderates in Romania's elections on Sunday.
With more than a third of votes counted, Ion Iliescu, the former apparatchik who led Romania for six years after replacing Ceausescu in the December 1989 revolution, was in first place with 36.5 per cent of the vote.
Mr Iliescu is expected to face the extreme nationalist Corneliu Vadim Tudor, who came second with 29.08 per cent, in a run-off on December 10, as voters showed their disillusionment over the pain of economic reform. In opinion polls, a solid 60 to 65 per cent say they were better off before 1989, even though the Romanian variety of communism was the harshest in Eastern Europe.
Mr Iliescu's Party of Social Democracy (PDSR) won 39.6 per cent in the concurrent parliamentary election, while Mr Tudor's Greater Romania Party (PRM) took more than 22 per cent.
Mr Iliescu sought to reassure jittery investors, saying: "The PDSR will accept no falling back on the irreversible march towards democracy and the consolidation of state institutions of law and civic liberties." But the result has raised concerns over Romania's hopes of joining the European Union.
"The last in Europe", ran a headline in the Adevarul daily newspaper. "In November 2000 we are the only case in Central and Eastern Europe where economic reforms have not succeeded, and the ascension of the Greater Romania Party will raise great questions in the West about the success of political reforms."
Nostalgia for the Ceausescu era, which in the early 1990s was the preserve of pensioners and nationalists, has become the norm among working Romanians struggling to survive in a sagging economy.
An election leaflet put out by the Romanian Workers Party shows an early picture of Ceausescu smiling. Alongside are listed what are considered the key achievements of communism: factories, hydroelectric plants, atomic centres, schools, and irrigation for agriculture.
Both the Social Democrats and the Greater Romania Party praise Romania's communist era for its achievements. The repression and suffering are conveniently airbrushed from view.
Marian, 68, who drives a taxi to make ends meet, said: "We lived better under communism. Everybody could visit the mountains or the seaside at least once a year. Like many others, my family was very poor after the war and communism gave us a chance to make something of our lives."
Underpinning the longing for the past are economic figures that are among the worst in Europe. Successive governments, both Leftist and moderate, have failed to begin meaningful economic reforms and curb corruption.
More than two thirds of the economy is still in state hands. Living standards have dropped by more than a third in the past decade, and 44 per cent of the population survive on less than £3 a day, the poverty standard set by the EU. The national currency, the leu, has fallen from an official rate of 11 to the dollar in 1989, to 25,200 this year.
The consequences for Romanians are brutal, even by Balkan standards. For Arada, an 18-year-old gipsy girl wearing a filthy white coat and four layers of dirty pullovers to keep out the winter chill, the future is little better than hopeless.
She said: "All I want is to go home to my village, to get away from the police and the ones who beat me. I just want to live a normal life." It is a sentiment shared by many Romanians.

[Comrade Zeke]

I guess you have a point Comrade Ceausescu, the Rommania stockmarket and its money are over en flated so you put up a good point I just ask you one question and then Ill give up. If Nicole Ceasescu did so much for for his people then why did he not allow them to have freedom and vote a new president in,you and me both know that in 1980 elections he rigged them. Tell me answear

Thank Comrade Zeke

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I have never heard he rigged them.He was elected sometime in the 1970's as president for life.As I said there were election for each town and village.Delegates were elceted to represent them in Party Congress,and to deal with the issues of that town.Also,the workers committies were very democratic.Workers could pose complaints about anything and these would be taken into consideration.They also debated issues and the line of the party.The Party Programme which was officially agreed on in 1974 was debated exstensively and changed by these workers committies until everyone approved.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

President for life, don&#39;t we all just love the sound of that? <_<

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Are you going to try to add something to this discussion,or just make idiotic and useless comments?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

"Idiotic and useless"? Don&#39;t you mean anything you don&#39;t like?

[Loknar]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 11 2004, 06:44 AM
Its called cultural identity.Though Vlad was an awful man personally,he did some of good for the area.Certainly I am not defending him as a person.Just saying whether directly or indirectly his rule did some good.

Agreed, but Vlad was anti poor. He once locked up 30,000 people in a building and burned it down because he hated the poor.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Agreed, but Vlad was anti poor. He once locked up 30,000 people in a building and burned it down because he hated the poor.




:lol:

[synthesis]

I was unaware that people constructed buildings that could hold 30,000 people in the 15th century.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 11 2004, 02:48 AM
The Romanian working class hails Ceausescu as a hero, for under communism, they were a celebrated and widely respected social class in society. When the workers protest, they always have portraits of Nicolae Ceausescu and chant old communist slogans.



AMZING how no one has dicredit him because we all know theyre has never been a communist country.
So change the "under communism" to under a dictator or under a totalitarian or under a socialist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Since when have you know crap about communism el profe?I doubt you&#39;ve even read the mannifesto.I think it is perfectly appropriate to refer to it as "communist" as The Socialist Republic Of Romania was a multilaterrally developed socialist society making advancements towards communism.Stop trying to be so technical to make yourself look intelligent. Its not working.

[Comrade Zeke]

oK_PROFE this is directed at you. There may no be anything such as a Communist country on Earth yet but intell their is were just going to say their is ok because it is&#33;&#33;&#33;
And thanks to Comrade Ceasuscu i have seen how the Dictator helped his people. But still I cant agree with him fully. But still Comrade Ceausescu Im going to back you up against there punks

Tip my hat to you
Comrade Zeke ;)

[el_profe]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 02:05 AM
Since when have you know crap about communism el profe?I doubt you&#39;ve even read the mannifesto.I think it is perfectly appropriate to refer to it as "communist" as The Socialist Republic Of Romania was a multilaterrally developed socialist society making advancements towards communism.Stop trying to be so technical to make yourself look intelligent. Its not working.
No, i havent read it, I have many other books to read before that one, but i do have it. But that is why I mostly only discuss cuba and USSR. Even if I had read the manifesto like A pict, these are the answers I would receive:

"I read marx&#39;s Communist Manifesto. " a pict

And now you think that you&#39;re an expert? Haha&#33; quoted form sensitive. It makes no difference here if a person has read 100 books on communism you will still sway they dont know about communism.

2. If you thinks its "perfectly apporpiate to refer to it as communist" then its totally appropiate to refer to the USSR,caub, China(well the china up to like 10 years ago), North korea... as communist.
So its correct when i say "communist cuba" or "communist USSR". :lol: :lol:

[synthesis]

It makes no difference here if a person has read 100 books on communism you will still say they dont know about communism.

It has little to do with the amount you&#39;ve read but the understanding you show you have of what you&#39;ve read.

If you make claims which betray your lack of comprehension of Marxist ideas, people here are going to accuse you of not reading enough Marx.

I think most of the time that&#39;s valid. Other times, it simply means the person in question doesn&#39;t know what they&#39;re talking about; i.e., their ideas are based on mis-conceptions and false assumptions.

By the way, you were actually correct in this case. Romania was never a communist country; it was a country with a self-declared socialist government. So was Cambodia; most socialists hold both governments at about the same standing.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 12:26 AM
I was unaware that people constructed buildings that could hold 30,000 people in the 15th century.
They were able to construct them way before that.

The colosseum could seat over 50,000 people

[synthesis]

Actually, I didn&#39;t say "600 years ago." I said "in the 15th Century" for a specific reason: the Middle Ages were some backward times. Not to mention the fact that this is a very small kingdom we&#39;re talking about, the hall that Vlad would have burned down must have been the largest building for hundreds of miles.

The number is also suspect. Most of the accounts I hear of Vlad say he killed somewhere in the vicinity of 40,000 people. Atrocious for such a tiny kingdom, but considering the amount of other sick shit he did when he was the head honcho, I think 30,000 is hardly reasonable considering the circumstances.

[Loknar]

http://www.vladtheimpaler.com/

I read from this site long ago, my memory was not exact.





One day, Vlad Dracula decided to cleanse his Kingdom of those he considered to be lazy and unproductive, those who suffered from illness, a handicap, or were simply born in poverty. He decreed that no one should go hungry in his Kingdom, and invited all the poor, unfortunate souls who tainted his concept of what society should be to a banquet in the great hall in Tirgoviste. Once he felt his "guests" had been well fed, not to mention drunk and complacent, Vlad made his appearance, asking them how they would enjoy never having to feel the pain of hunger ever again, or if they wished to never have to worry about anything ever again, to be without a care in the world.

Of course, their reply was enthusiastic, so he obliged, ordering his men to board up the hall, which was then set ablaze. No one escaped. Vlad Dracula&#39;s treatment of his own subjects paled in comparison to the atrocities he committed against his enemies, and any who opposed him. On St. Bartholomew&#39;s Day, he impaled 30,000 merchants for disobeying trade laws, having their bodies left to rot outside the city walls as a reminder of what would happen to any who disobeyed him.


http://www.vladtheimpaler.com/vlad_the_imp...ler_bio_002.htm (http://www.vladtheimpaler.com/vlad_the_impaler_bio_002.htm)

[Comrade Zeke]

Comrade Ceausescu do you have anything else to say about the President for life of Romania and his great accomplishments????????

Comrade,Zeke

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Eh,I think he had a cool personality.He was very charming from what I hear,but whatever,I&#39;ll probobly get a lot of criticism for saying that but I don&#39;t care. I also like his books and speeches. I consider these to be good literary accomplishments. I think I pretty much listed what I think are his accomplishments in my essay,but if I think of more I&#39;ll tell you.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Oh he was quite a diplomat. He was friends with many statesmen regardless of their ideology. Actually, he was friends with Tito. http://www.titoville.com/images/tito-in-caucescu.jpg

^In Bucharest buying a Romanian rug.

[SonofRage]

Ceausescu was a tyrant and was overthrown by his own people (out of great love I&#39;m sure). All they miss is the welfare state.

[Comrade Zeke]

Nice Picture,Me and you just got to remember although Communist Dictators are brutal they are sure better then Capitalist Dictators who do nothing for their people&#33;&#33;

Long live the COMMUNIST LEADERS&#33; :D
P.s You got any pictures of the Romania army??

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Ceausescu was a tyrant and was overthrown by his own people (out of great love I&#39;m sure). All they miss is the welfare state.

The PCR was overthrown by the putschers,not the people.

Ceausescu was not a tyrant, a dictator, or a brutal man. I do not think a Romanian army exsisted at that point. The closest thing they had was the militia&#39;s. I do not consider this to be an army. Ceausescu was a strong advocate of nuclear disarmament, and then general disarmament of all nations. He also strongly advocated the removal of foreign troops occupying any country.

[SonofRage]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 01:20 AM

Ceausescu was a tyrant and was overthrown by his own people (out of great love I&#39;m sure). All they miss is the welfare state.

The PCR was overthrown by the putschers,not the people.

Ceausescu was not a tyrant, a dictator, or a brutal man. I do not think a Romanian army exsisted at that point. The closest thing they had was the militia&#39;s. I do not consider this to be an army. Ceausescu was a strong advocate of nuclear disarmament, and then general disarmament of all nations. He also strongly advocated the removal of foreign troops occupying any country.
You don&#39;t think it was brutal when he had a group of protestors shot?

[RedComrade]

You must go to this site, just read it, it just might be the funniest shit you&#39;ll read for quite some time. And yes it even has to do with Nicolae Ceausescu and who else but Michael Jackson. Seriously read it and have a laugh:
http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/ceausescu.htm

[Comrade Ceausescu]

It is widely accepted that the order to shoot in Timorosa was done without Ceausescu&#39;s consent,by his ministry of interior officials (the interior controls police etc.). Ceausescu thought it was too much,but in his address to the nation a few days after said that it was a coup plot conducted by foreign agents. He was right. It was done by the Hungarian Radio Free Europe students and politicans. RedComrade,I had seen that before,I blew up laughing.

[RedCeltic]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:26 PM
I was unaware that people constructed buildings that could hold 30,000 people in the 15th century.
Some of those 15th centery cathedrals are pretty big. I don&#39;t know if one could hold 30,000... thousands I&#39;m quite sure though.

[ernestolynch]

Excellent thread CC, excellent.

I wonder if you would like to read the latest message to Romania from Cominform:

http://www.cominform.org/messageromania.htm

Translation into Romanian would be helpful.

[Ortega]

Comrade Ceausescu, even after this thread (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=20504) you still won&#39;t admit that your beloved Nicolae wasn&#39;t a perfect angel?
I give up, there&#39;s no point trying to debate with someone as biased and jingoistic as you.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Oh please.Just be quiet.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 03:35 PM
Oh please.Just be quiet.
Its pretty funny how you refuse to acknowledge me in any manner when I bring up a valid argument.

[el_profe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 07:58 PM
Comrade Ceausescu, even after this thread (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=20504) you still won&#39;t admit that your beloved Nicolae wasn&#39;t a perfect angel?
I give up, there&#39;s no point trying to debate with someone as biased and jingoistic as you.
that happens alot on this website, with mao, castro , stalin.....

[Ortega]

Originally posted by el_profe+Jan 12 2004, 05:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (el_profe @ Jan 12 2004, 05:59 PM)
[email protected] 12 2004, 07:58 PM
Comrade Ceausescu, even after this thread (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=20504) you still won&#39;t admit that your beloved Nicolae wasn&#39;t a perfect angel?
I give up, there&#39;s no point trying to debate with someone as biased and jingoistic as you.
that happens alot on this website, with mao, castro , stalin..... [/b]
I support Castro. I support Mao, to an extent, and Stalin as well, while maybe less than the first two.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Its not a valid point.Its the same point you keep bringing up when I crushed it in that thread.Why should I take the time and effort to write this argument again?

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 07:25 PM
Its not a valid point.Its the same point you keep bringing up when I crushed it in that thread.Why should I take the time and effort to write this argument again?
You never crushed my point... If I remember correctly, you finally said that you were going to ignore everything I said without actually proving my point wrong.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

you didn&#39;t make any points.You just kept flaming.All my posts,the articles,all of it crushed your idiotic views on Ceausescu.You just kept making one liners and making idiotic comments about the way I look.Comrade Victor was right,you are a sheep.And I doubt you even read my article.You don&#39;t have an open mind to this.Plenty of other people here do."Death",who originally started the topic came out with a more favorable look on Ceausescu.I think you just want to always have your views and never have them be changed.

[redstar2000]

My knowledge of Romania is quite limited. Here is what I know.

Back in the early 1970s, Ceausescu decided that Romanian women were not having enough babies...whereupon he issued a decree abolishing legal abortion and the sale of contraceptives.

Some nine or so months later, the hallways of Romanian hospitals were filled with screaming women giving birth to tens of thousands of unwanted babies.

And Romanian orphanages became the most infamous warehouses for slowly dying children in the world.

I find it entirely plausible that Ceausescu&#39;s hero was Vlad the Impaler...if old Vlad were alive, he would doubtless have returned the sentiment.

http://anarchist-action.org/forums/images/smiles/redstar.gif

The RedStar2000 Papers (http://www.anarchist-action.org/marxists/redstar2000/)
A site about communist ideas

[Ortega]

If I&#39;m so close-minded, Comrade Ceausescu, I seem to share that sentiment with the rest of the board. If you haven&#39;t noticed, Death and several of the hardcore Stalinists seem to be the only members agreeing with you.
Redstar is completely right, as always. Read that, Comrade Ceausescu. Do you have an answer to that?
How am I a sheep? Because I respect human rights? Because I don&#39;t agree with a dictator who starved his own people and made contraceptives illegal?
And by the way, the picture thing was only one point, and I removed it to make you happy, and to make my argument more plausible. If coming back to that constantly is the only argument you have, that&#39;s as bad as me using the picture in my argument before. Sorry about that, it probably was the wrong thing to do, and thats why I removed it - not because I&#39;m a "sheep".

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 12 2004, 07:52 PM
I think you just want to always have your views and never have them be changed.
I don&#39;t exactly see your views changing... at all.

[Bolshevika]

I agree with Comrade Death and Comrade Ceausescu on the matter. Life under Ceausescu was far superior to life under the new system they have (some odd capitalist/ market socialist hybrid). I guess arguments can be made about him living in luxury, but he did feed his people, unlike the government today which always massive unemployment, that&#39;s state capitalism for ya. I also disagree with his laws regarding contraceptives, I&#39;d say overall he was 60% good.

Regardless, we must meet Ceausescu&#39;s legacy with an objective mindset. We must listen to what his enemies have to say and what the Romanian people have to say and judge from there, it is a Marxist law.

And Ortega, you hateful little man, can you not go 1 post without mentioning "Stalinists"?

BTW, about Vlad the impaler, I can&#39;t say he was very humanitarian, but he had some real admirable qualities. He mantained an almost perfect society, he created a society based on honesty, morality, and respect, although by brutal means.

[Urban Rubble]

And Romanian orphanages became the most infamous warehouses for slowly dying children in the world.

Yes, Childeren had it really bad in Romania. If they weren&#39;t in an orphanage then they were starving.

Comrade Ceausescu, do you have any criticisms of Ceausescu ? I mean, I don&#39;t think he was all bad, I think he had good intentions, whatever, you know my opinion of him. But do you have anything bad to say at all about the guy ? I mean, I can give you criticisms of any leader, no matter how great. So what do you not like about him ?

[Comrade Zeke]

I kinda support Comrade Ceausescu because he has a point. On the other hand Nicole Ceausesscu did lots of bad stuff in his reign of terror so im natural on this. Long live the Cuban Revolution and Titosim is the best Communist System&#33;&#33;&#33;
THANK you any comments..... :D :D :D
Comrade Ceausescu this argument did start between me and you and look what it went into lol :o

[Loknar]

It seems life was better under Ceausescu, however at the time the Romanian people were fed up with him. Ceausescu spent a lot on the military, Romania was one of the most watched states in the world (by secret police). Elena Ceausescu happened to be wearing a gold bracelet which was broadcasted on Romanian TV (just after the &#39;trial&#39;), considering the Ceausescu&#39;s were living in palaces while Ceausescu forced people to move out of their homes and into apartments, this probably pissed a lot of people off. Yes, the Russians and Romanians were better off under their cold war dictators, but at the time-to them-it sucked.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:00 PM
And Ortega, you hateful little man, can you not go 1 post without mentioning "Stalinists"?
Sure...

And I&#39;m not exactly hateful - I just don&#39;t like Ceausescu.

[Urban Rubble]

Yeah,but you are kind of a dick to the kid. Posting his picture and making fun of his looks is hateful.


Yes, the Russians and Romanians were better off under their cold war dictators,but at the time-to them-it sucked.

Damn Loknar, that&#39;s the most intelligent thing I&#39;ve seen you say yet.

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 13 2004, 11:27 AM
Yeah,but you are kind of a dick to the kid. Posting his picture and making fun of his looks is hateful.
I know - sorry, man (Comrade Ceausescu that is). Apparently that was a lot more offensive than I meant it to be, which is why I removed it.
The argument between us is never going to end though, considering that we both have arguments on very different sides. And considering that you&#39;ve decided to ignore everything I post now, I might as well just call it a draw. You keep your views and I&#39;ll keep mine. We&#39;re both too stubborn to change - or I am, at least.
No hard feelings, man.

-Ortega :cuba:

[Ortega]

Originally posted by Urban [email protected] 13 2004, 11:27 AM

Yes, the Russians and Romanians were better off under their cold war dictators,but at the time-to them-it sucked.

Damn Loknar, that&#39;s the most intelligent thing I&#39;ve seen you say yet.
:blink:

Even I&#39;ll admit that. These cappies never fail to surprise me...

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I would say Ceausescu was around 90% right.If I talked to him today,the main point I would say is,why the reliance on the west so much?Though I think this might have changed he was too reliant on them.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Btw,Loknar Romania didn&#39;t even have a military to my knowledge until the 1980&#39;s. Ceausescu was very much an advocate of peace but he felt some level of defense was needed.As for the anti-abortion laws,Nicu had nothing to do with the original idea.It was proposed I believe sometime in the 80&#39;s by Elena Ceausescu a central committee member,and obviously,his wife.It was for opoulation increases to defend the country more.This is when he started spending on military.From what I have heard it was not a permanent plan at all.

[Comrade Ceausescu]

Oh and, Ortega-may peace be with you.

[Comrade Zeke]

So is this topic closed forever I guess Tito does prevail over Ceausescu&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;YEAH&#33;

[Comrade Ceausescu]

What?Topics don&#39;t close unless they are trash.People just don&#39;t have anything to say.

[Comrade Hector]

Nicolae Ceausescu was a great man, who defended revolution and the Communist ideology. As it was previously noted he built many hospitals and schools, kept with industialization. He was no admirer of Adolf Hitler. As a matter of fact he was sent to a concentration camp by the Fascists for being a Marxist where he met Gheorghe Gheorghiu-Dej, who became the first leader of Socialist Romania. They escaped and continued their struggle against the Nazis and the Romanian Fascists led by Ion Antonescu. Ceausescu, defended Socialism in December of 1989 against the counterrevolutionary reactionaries, when he made his final heroic stand which sadly led to his "trial" and murder along with his wife by the Romanian Capitalists.

[danyboy27]

i dont know much about him but the claim that romaina didnt had an armed force is ridiculous.

they had an army of 140 000 peoples, i got some book about it if you want them, got their uniforms and weapon in them, the name of their division, all that stuff.

[Richard Nixon]

A very amusing article straight from the Romanian Ministry of Propaganda. Please write similar articles on other "great" communists like Stalin, Mao, or Pol Pot.

[Demogorgon]

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/Assets/necromancer.jpg

[Kwisatz Haderach]

Hehe, someone else knows about the Flame Warriors website! :)

But yes, this thread is five years old (and the OP managed to completely misspell Romanian words, among other, much more serious mistakes). Congratulations, your necromancy spell worked. We shall now await a mod to lock this.

[danyboy27]

Hehe, someone else knows about the Flame Warriors website! :)

But yes, this thread is five years old (and the OP managed to completely misspell Romanian words, among other, much more serious mistakes). Congratulations, your necromancy spell worked. We shall now await a mod to lock this.


shit my fault, it was a mistake. didnt realised that thread was that old, i was looking at ramdom thread created by some dudes and i answered to this one completly by accident.

[Dust Bunnies]

Ceausescu was a reactionary because he outlawed abortion. :rolleyes:

[Jazzratt]

Oh for fuck's sake.

Closed.