Proletarization or deproletarization?

[Sotionov]

I rembember a quote by Lenin about how after the revolution all laborers will became employees of the state, but I also vaguely remember a quote (I don't know whose, maybe Engels') about how the proletariat in the fight to destroy the bourgeoisie also aim to destroy themselves as proletariat.

Does someone know what is that quote I vaguely remember?

Also, is the question from the the title of this topic even suppossed to be asked? I assume that we all want deproletarization of the workers, and not propeletarization of all laborers.

[Fourth Internationalist]

I rembember a quote by Lenin about how after the revolution all laborers will became employees of the state, but I also vaguely remember a quote (I don't know whose, maybe Engels') about how the proletariat in the fight to destroy the bourgeoisie also aim to destroy themselves as proletariat.

Does someone know what is that quote I vaguely remember?

Also, is the question from the the title of this topic even suppossed to be asked? I assume that we all want deproletarization of the workers, and not propeletarization of all laborers.

"All citizens are here transformed into hired employees of the state, which is made up of the armed workers... All that is required is that they should work equally, should regularly do their share of the work, and should receive equal pay. The accounting and control necessary for this have been simplified by capitalism to the utmost, till they have become the extraordinarily simple operations of watching, recording and issuing receipts, within the reach of anybody who can read and write and knows the first four rules of arithmetic." (State and Revolution)

[Sotionov]

Thanks, but I wasn't asking about that quote, but about the second one :)

[Fourth Internationalist]

You're making my life difficult. :)

[ed miliband]

from 'the holy family':


“The proletariat ... is compelled as proletariat to abolish itself and thereby its opposite, private property, which determines its existence, and which makes it proletariat. ... When the proletariat is victorious, it by no means becomes the absolute side of society, for it is victorious only by abolishing itself and its opposite. Then the proletariat disappears as well as the opposite which determines it, private property.”

[Fourth Internationalist]

Yay it is found!

[Sotionov]

Thanks Ed :thumbup1: I had a recollection of it having the word "paradox" somewhere in it, maybe there's a similar quote somewhere else.. Thank's anyway.