Who controls what in a communist society?

[TheWannabeAnarchist]

I understand thst communism is all about having a classless society where thr workers have the power and control the means of production, But what abiut small scale projects? For example, let's say I'm creating a film. Ten other people agree to be actors in it, but it was I who created the script and it's me planning everything out. Then, the ten actors suddenly say they want to change the plot and write the script themselves. In situations like this, who has all the power?

[Fourth Internationalist]

You do.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

No one would have the authority to force other people to accede to their whims - the government over men would be gone. If the actors don't want to make your movie, well, tough luck.

[Comrade #138672]

I would say both. They can do whatever they want and you can always ask other actors to play in your film. If that fails, then it's just some failed project. No big deal.

[Jimmie Higgins]

I understand thst communism is all about having a classless society where thr workers have the power and control the means of production, But what abiut small scale projects? For example, let's say I'm creating a film. Ten other people agree to be actors in it, but it was I who created the script and it's me planning everything out. Then, the ten actors suddenly say they want to change the plot and write the script themselves. In situations like this, who has all the power?
In communism there would be no workers as a separate group. Film is a collaborative process... I guess if you didn't want collaborators, then write a book. But really if you got people together who mutually wanted to work on the project, then collaboration would be purely based on a shared general vision of what people wanted to accomplish. I would hope that there would be arguments and debates as part of the dynamic creative/productive process, but it wouldn't be like today where people need to Jockey and compete because if they get a small role, then they can't make a career or a name for themselves, etc.

In France in the 1920s there were some interesting collaborative efforts in films. I've also read that one of the theories of shakesepere's plays is that the writer and performers (and the writer was a performer) collaborated throughout. If fact all writen versions of shakespere's plays come from actors who had memorized all the lines. "The bard" may actually have been "the troupe".

[Fourth Internationalist]

I would say both. They can do whatever they want and you can always ask other actors to play in your film. If that fails, then it's just some failed project. No big deal.

This.

[The Feral Underclass]

I understand thst communism is all about having a classless society where thr workers have the power and control the means of production, But what abiut small scale projects? For example, let's say I'm creating a film. Ten other people agree to be actors in it, but it was I who created the script and it's me planning everything out. Then, the ten actors suddenly say they want to change the plot and write the script themselves. In situations like this, who has all the power?

Surely you would just find different actors?

[TheWannabeAnarchist]

Okay, tis is a silly example, but I think I got the answer I wanted. So basically, in a communist society, voluntary associations still have their rights respected. :laugh:So I have a right to say, "my movie, my rules," and the actors have a right to say, "I quit."

[Fourth Internationalist]

Okay, tis is a silly example, but I think I got the answer I wanted. So basically, in a communist society, voluntary associations still have their rights respected. :laugh:So I have a right to say, "my movie, my rules," and the actors have a right to say, "I quit."

Exactly. :)

[cyu]

"my movie, my rules"


Not sure what you mean by this. What exactly grants you ownership "rights"? And what is it exactly that you're claiming "ownership" over?

What is the purpose of having "ownership" over a movie? Do you hope to profit from ticket sales? Is it just an ego thing and you don't like actors taking more credit for making a movie than you think they "deserve"?

[Sotionov]

Easy, you find actors that agree to film a movie according to your script.

[Jimmie Higgins]

Not sure what you mean by this. What exactly grants you ownership "rights"? And what is it exactly that you're claiming "ownership" over?

What is the purpose of having "ownership" over a movie? Do you hope to profit from ticket sales? Is it just an ego thing and you don't like actors taking more credit for making a movie than you think they "deserve"?

I think the issue may be in the example. Film viewership is voluntary, no one starves or goes without water if a movie isn't made. So really if someone wanted to make a movie, then it's purely a mutual affair. If someone wanted to build a dam somewhere then the parties involved would be much broader and so there would need to be broad agreement so that one collectives dam project doesn't flood a community or divert water from others. But unlikely today it wouldn't be a class issue of who controls water, it would be a general issue for people to work out.

[TheWannabeAnarchist]

Perhaps a better way to say it would be, "follow the script I made or go follow your own without me."

Not that I'd actually be an obsinate lunatic like this. Just an example as I said before xD

[L1NKS]

I understand thst communism is all about having a classless society where thr workers have the power and control the means of production, But what abiut small scale projects? For example, let's say I'm creating a film. Ten other people agree to be actors in it, but it was I who created the script and it's me planning everything out. Then, the ten actors suddenly say they want to change the plot and write the script themselves. In situations like this, who has all the power?
I doubt that this scenario is important to communists...

...outside the polit-bureau.

SO LET'S START THE ANARCHY!!!

[d3crypt]

Not sure what you mean by this. What exactly grants you ownership "rights"? And what is it exactly that you're claiming "ownership" over?

What is the purpose of having "ownership" over a movie? Do you hope to profit from ticket sales? Is it just an ego thing and you don't like actors taking more credit for making a movie than you think they "deserve"?

i think what he mean is that if someone wants creative control is that aloud.

[Doflamingo]

I've always wondered how it would affect the video game industry myself. A lot of people argue that the quality of games would decrease, but I can't see why this is. Of course every game would essentially be an "indie game", but that doesn't mean the quality of the game itself would decrease.

[Comrade #138672]

Okay, tis is a silly example, but I think I got the answer I wanted. So basically, in a communist society, voluntary associations still have their rights respected. :laugh:So I have a right to say, "my movie, my rules," and the actors have a right to say, "I quit."I guess. They can still "steal" your script and change it, though. But that doesn't prevent you from making your movie with other actors.

There is no intellectual property under Communism, because intellectual property is an extension of private property, and there is no private property under Communism.

If you really can't live with the idea of somebody "stealing" your idea, or taking credit for your idea (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPtH2KPuQbs), then you can always try to work it out with them as emancipated classless citizens. Anyway, I think this need to control everything is something inherent to Capitalism and that these minor issues will work out themselves under Communism. Also, you should realize that all creative work is derivative (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcvd5JZkUXY) and that the obsession with controlling ideas is a bit silly.