Fascism (OI edition)

[BIXX]

So done suggested I also post this here, as I might get different answers than in the learning forum.

Why is fascism considered the "dying stage" of capitalism? It seems to me that it could originate from things other than capitalism, and it doesn't necessarily seem like it is the last stage as capitalism has remained through fascist systems before. So why is this?

Also could someone answer the questions from this post? http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2635528&postcount=6

As an extension, I'd like to learn about fascism as a whole, how to spot it, etc... I basically wanna know as much as possible that people can tell me.

Thank you! Any help is appreciated!

[Kingfish]

I thought it was called that because fascism seems emerges and seize power during periods of inevitable market failure as a last effort to suppress revolutionary leftist movements.

I remember another user posted a very nice picture that represented this concept showing an axe with a swastika blade in a glass case labeled break in case of emergency.

[Lenina Rosenweg]

Most Marxists would define fascism as the mobilization of the petit bourgoiuse-professional people, shopkeepers, small business men,etc against the working class.It uses an ethos of militarism,nationalism and racism. Often fascism will have elements of "social justice" aimed only towards the acceptable people. It seeks national purity and seeks to eliminate minorities, homosexuals, and leftists.

Fascism grows out of the failure of the left. The German Revolution of 1919-23 failed,we got Nazism, the Italian workers movement was crushed, we got Mussolini,golden Dawn is rising in Greece because of the inability of the left to mobilize the working class.

Trotsky wrote about the rise of Nazism in Germany and how this could have been prevented

http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/1944/1944-fas.htm

[Lowtech]

fascism defined from a history context may produce confusion when comparing it to capitalism. yet, if we look at capitalism not in a sociological light, but rather purely economically, we can see that fascism has always been compatible with capitalism and in fact, capitalism requires fascism to function. the 'corporation' has far more in common with descriptions of "command economies" than it does with any kind of fanciful notion of free markets or free competition. and whenever the corporation or business or other wise capitalist structure works to appear to be ethical and politically transparent while projecting itself as more efficient and ethical than the archetypal "government," it is being very fascist.

[blake 3:17]

It's also just not very efficient. Some kind of liberal democracy is more helpful to capitalism in the long run.

[adipocere]

Most Marxists would define fascism as the mobilization of the petit bourgoiuse-professional people, shopkeepers, small business men,etc against the working class.It uses an ethos of militarism,nationalism and racism. Often fascism will have elements of "social justice" aimed only towards the acceptable people. It seeks national purity and seeks to eliminate minorities, homosexuals, and leftists.

Fascism grows out of the failure of the left.

I disagree that it is a failure of the left unless the failure is capitalism itself. It's also doesn't have to be directed at the working class...take the War on Terror or Drugs or whatever the MIC has determined is a threat is American Values.

It seems more like a reaction of the middle class when they reach the inevitable glass ceiling of power that concurs with a market recession - which they do not understand is cyclical and intentional - that results in a decline of their living standards (and imaginary wealth of investments) and increased hostility towards whatever group is handy to blame (not necessarily the working class), so long as they are not looking up - as they inherently identify with the rich and powerful, though the feeling is not mutual. You also have to have other ingredients for that witches brew but you need an economically threatened middle class to bring it to a boil.

[danyboy27]

So done suggested I also post this here, as I might get different answers than in the learning forum.

Why is fascism considered the "dying stage" of capitalism? It seems to me that it could originate from things other than capitalism, and it doesn't necessarily seem like it is the last stage as capitalism has remained through fascist systems before. So why is this?

It was basically a misconception that date back from the 30s.
When socialists and communists witnessed its rise in Germany and Italy, they believed that it would eventually lead to a full blown revolution, and finally to communism. It didnt.



As an extension, I'd like to learn about fascism as a whole, how to spot it, etc... I basically wanna know as much as possible that people can tell me.

Fascism is a political system combining extreme nationalism, personality cult and wild expansionism.

While reinforcing the capitalist system of class division and ownership, fascists are attempting to replace the traditional elite and traditional structures by their own within the state.

An obvious exemple is the subordination and the integration of the civilian police within the SS in germany and the instauration of Gauletier to control various provinces.

[Red HalfGuard]

kersplebedeb.com/mystuff/books/fascism/shock.html

[bcbm]

It was basically a misconception that date back from the 30s.
When socialists and communists witnessed its rise in Germany and Italy, they believed that it would eventually lead to a full blown revolution, and finally to communism. It didnt.

in fact it came on the heels of failed revolutions