SergeNubret
28th June 2013, 13:17
Do you think it would be possible to gather Croatians, Serbian, Macedonians and Slovenians under the same flag in the future? Not the theory of communism, were all the countries in the world are stateless, but the Former Yugoslavian republics.
I really don't see majority of Serbians and Croats wanting to live with eachother, you never know when the Serbians will attack and kill innocent people, or set up rape camps which they did under the Bosnians War.
Neither Croat or Serbian nationalists want to live with Bosnians since they were Slavic (Croat/Serbs) before, but mixed with muslim Turks under their invasion of Balkan. and the country of Bosnia is just a multi-ethnic country with serbs, croats and muslims.
Croats spent many centuraries under the Austrian-Hungarian empire and Serbs under the Ottoman empire.
As soon as Croats and Serbs live together, some nationalist groups will take action (Usatsha and Chetniks) hold genocides to eachother, kill innocent people, burn down villages and kill political people.
Do you have any idea how many genocides happend from 1945-1995?
When Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia left Yugoslavia it resulted in invasion from the Serbian army in all of these three countries.
Can people in former yugoslavia ever trust a person with too much authority?
NO, we saw how Titio acted.
Tito's terrorism took the form of mass executions, death marches, gulag imprisonment, purges (32,000 Croatian intellectuals lost their livelihood in the 1971 Croatian Spring), the highest number of political prisoners per capita in the world, assassinations of dissidents, loss of Croatian population due to illegal border escapes, underdevelopment of Croatian regions and later-on, deals with western nations to get rid of his rural unemployed Croatian population overseas. Statistics in all host nations where people from former Yugoslavia settled, show that Croats were in the majority.
What happened after WWII in Tito's Yugoslavia was worse than what happened in Milosevic's Yugoslavia in the 1990s, but this time the satellite camera enabled the world to witness everything, and ultimately put an end to it. And eventually, you guessed it, a 50-50 split of Bosnia-Herzegovina is now monitored by four nations, but this was never to happen in post-WWII Yugoslavia .
Thus, massacres of hospital patients from Vukovar occurred in 1991 just as they had occurred in Jazovka in 1945. For example, a karst sinkhole in Sosice near Zagreb contains the remains of 40,000 skeletons and evidence from the Croatian hospital. Similarly during recent construction of a highway in Slovenia tens of thousands of skeletons were uncovered with evidence that they were men, women and children, mostly of Croatian origin.
A recent critic of an article in Zadarski List, Ivo Matanovic from Zadar, commented that under Tito it was the bloodiest era which Croatia ever experienced in its history. (HV, 23.1.04) The Yugoslav/Montenegran dissident, Milovan Djilas was quoted as saying that Croats had to die that Yugoslavia could live. American President Truman also remarked on the genocidal policies of Tito. ("Strategies of containment" oxford Uni Press 1982) Indeed more Croats died under Tito during 40 years than in the previous 400 years of occupied Croatia . Tito's infamous reign of terror is similar to Pol Pot's, and he certainly did not "fulfil the destiny of the Croatian nation".
(source: http://www.croatianviewpoint.com/HousingFrameOne.php?ShowThisPage=TitosTerrorism)
During the Second World War the Tito regime itself killed in cold blood some 500,000 people, mainly "collaborators," "anti-communists," rival guerrillas, Ustashi, and critics. And after the war it probably killed even more people, now also including the rich, landlords, bourgeoisie, clerics, and in the later 1940s, even pro-Soviet communists.
(source: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP9.HTM)
My point is: I really don't see the people in former Yugoslavia wanting to live with eachother EVER again. All the countries a now independent and nationalism is a big part of the people's heart. Many are proud of calling themselves Croat, Serb, Slovenian or Macedonian, not "a yugoslav"
I don't want to hear any "I know a serbian and he likes croats" or "I know a person that wants yugoslavia to come back"
If we look at history we see that these countries are better of while being independent and not being oppressed nationalist against there will.
Remember that over 90% of the Croats voted to leave Yugoslavia as soon at they had the chance.
I really don't see majority of Serbians and Croats wanting to live with eachother, you never know when the Serbians will attack and kill innocent people, or set up rape camps which they did under the Bosnians War.
Neither Croat or Serbian nationalists want to live with Bosnians since they were Slavic (Croat/Serbs) before, but mixed with muslim Turks under their invasion of Balkan. and the country of Bosnia is just a multi-ethnic country with serbs, croats and muslims.
Croats spent many centuraries under the Austrian-Hungarian empire and Serbs under the Ottoman empire.
As soon as Croats and Serbs live together, some nationalist groups will take action (Usatsha and Chetniks) hold genocides to eachother, kill innocent people, burn down villages and kill political people.
Do you have any idea how many genocides happend from 1945-1995?
When Croatia, Slovenia and Bosnia left Yugoslavia it resulted in invasion from the Serbian army in all of these three countries.
Can people in former yugoslavia ever trust a person with too much authority?
NO, we saw how Titio acted.
Tito's terrorism took the form of mass executions, death marches, gulag imprisonment, purges (32,000 Croatian intellectuals lost their livelihood in the 1971 Croatian Spring), the highest number of political prisoners per capita in the world, assassinations of dissidents, loss of Croatian population due to illegal border escapes, underdevelopment of Croatian regions and later-on, deals with western nations to get rid of his rural unemployed Croatian population overseas. Statistics in all host nations where people from former Yugoslavia settled, show that Croats were in the majority.
What happened after WWII in Tito's Yugoslavia was worse than what happened in Milosevic's Yugoslavia in the 1990s, but this time the satellite camera enabled the world to witness everything, and ultimately put an end to it. And eventually, you guessed it, a 50-50 split of Bosnia-Herzegovina is now monitored by four nations, but this was never to happen in post-WWII Yugoslavia .
Thus, massacres of hospital patients from Vukovar occurred in 1991 just as they had occurred in Jazovka in 1945. For example, a karst sinkhole in Sosice near Zagreb contains the remains of 40,000 skeletons and evidence from the Croatian hospital. Similarly during recent construction of a highway in Slovenia tens of thousands of skeletons were uncovered with evidence that they were men, women and children, mostly of Croatian origin.
A recent critic of an article in Zadarski List, Ivo Matanovic from Zadar, commented that under Tito it was the bloodiest era which Croatia ever experienced in its history. (HV, 23.1.04) The Yugoslav/Montenegran dissident, Milovan Djilas was quoted as saying that Croats had to die that Yugoslavia could live. American President Truman also remarked on the genocidal policies of Tito. ("Strategies of containment" oxford Uni Press 1982) Indeed more Croats died under Tito during 40 years than in the previous 400 years of occupied Croatia . Tito's infamous reign of terror is similar to Pol Pot's, and he certainly did not "fulfil the destiny of the Croatian nation".
(source: http://www.croatianviewpoint.com/HousingFrameOne.php?ShowThisPage=TitosTerrorism)
During the Second World War the Tito regime itself killed in cold blood some 500,000 people, mainly "collaborators," "anti-communists," rival guerrillas, Ustashi, and critics. And after the war it probably killed even more people, now also including the rich, landlords, bourgeoisie, clerics, and in the later 1940s, even pro-Soviet communists.
(source: http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.CHAP9.HTM)
My point is: I really don't see the people in former Yugoslavia wanting to live with eachother EVER again. All the countries a now independent and nationalism is a big part of the people's heart. Many are proud of calling themselves Croat, Serb, Slovenian or Macedonian, not "a yugoslav"
I don't want to hear any "I know a serbian and he likes croats" or "I know a person that wants yugoslavia to come back"
If we look at history we see that these countries are better of while being independent and not being oppressed nationalist against there will.
Remember that over 90% of the Croats voted to leave Yugoslavia as soon at they had the chance.