Syrian revolutionaries behead Christian Bishop

[Manar]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ead_1372329728
At least they didn't eat him.


This video shows Syrian rebels slaughtering three people in the countryside of Edlib, including the Metropolitan “François Murad”, who was patron of Sumaan al-Amoudi Monastery, under the charge of dealing with the government and the Syrian Army;the video shows people who speak Arabic with a broken accent, saying that through this act, they are applying the law of God.



From the
Fides News Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenzia_Fides)
(news agency of the Vatican)

On Sunday, June 23 the Syrian priest François Murad was killed in Gassanieh, in northern Syria, in the convent of the Custody of the Holy Land where he had taken refuge. This is confirmed by a statement of the Custos of the Holy Land sent to Fides Agency. The circumstances of the death are not fully understood. According to local sources, the monastery where Fr. Murad was staying was attacked by militants linked to the jihadi group Jabhat al-Nusra.
Father François, 49, had taken the first steps in the religious life with the Franciscan Friars of the Custody of the Holy Land, and with them he continued to share close bonds of spiritual friendship. After being ordained a priest he had started the construction of a coenobitic monastery dedicated to St. Simon Stylites in the village of Gassanieh.After the start of the Civil War, the monastery of St. Simon had been bombed and Fr. Murad had moved to the convent of the Custody for safety reasons and to give support to the remaining few, along with another religious and nuns of the Rosary.
"Let us pray," writes the Custos of the Holy Land Pierbattista Pizzaballa OFM " so that this absurd and shameful war ends soon and that the people of Syria can go back to living a normal life." Archbishop Jacques Behnan Hindo, titular of the Syrian Catholic archeparchy in Hassaké-Nisibis reports to Fides: "The whole story of Christians in the Middle East is marked and made fruitful by the blood of the martyrs of many persecutions. Lately, father Murad sent me some messages that clearly showed how conscious he was of living in a dangerous situation, and offered his life for peace in Syria and around the world. " .
http://www.news.va/en/news/asiasyria-a-catholic-priest-killed-bishop-hindo-heI guess Syrian rebels are secular revolutionaries because they are butchering the clergy. Sunni clerics that oppose the rebels, Shia clerics, Christian priests, nobody can escape the secular wrath of Syrian revolutionaries. Well, actually, Zionist Rabbis are safe. Because the revolutionaries moderates(moderately sectarian?), after all, or because the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the revolution(it's probably the latter).

[Manar]

My favorite part of the video is where around a dozen or so little kids are Takbīr'ing during the beheadings. It's not as shocking as the videos of little kids being forced to behead Shias by the FSA, but it's still quite shocking. Is there a limit to the depravity that the Syrian rebels can sink down to?

[AnSyn Blackflag]

At least they didn't eat him.
I guess Syrian rebels are secular revolutionaries because they are butchering the clergy. .

By my understanding it is an alliance between Secularist revolutionaries and Islamists who oppose Hezbollah.

[Zostrianos]

I wonder how America will feel when the country becomes the Islamic Republic of Syria with their help.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

I wonder how America will feel when the country becomes the Islamic Republic of Syria with their help.

Wonderful! They will be able to boast of the butchery of a proud and triumphant people who have a history of class struggle and revolutionary fevor.

That is until, that Islamic republic bombs one of their trade centers of course.....

[blake 3:17]

They are psychopaths.

Pham Binh has been trying to make a great case by showing anti-Assad folks holding some street demonstrations. It's on Youtube! Must be not just true but overwhelmingly revolutionary.

[Manar]

A recent video showing most Syrian Christian civilians, including children, killed by the rebels

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b84_1372427457

The corpses were not eaten. The fatwas condoning cannibalism issued by the venerable and learned Sheykhs of the Jamiʻat Al-Azkhar apply only to Shia Murtadeen. Syrian Christian can sleep safely at night knowing that when the rebels slit their throats, they won't be fashioned into delicious kebabs.

Also, a video of General Idriss, highest-ranking rebel officer, meeting with American Senator Ruth Martin
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[Agathor]

Communist revolutionaries on the other hand never kill priests.

[Geiseric]

Communist revolutionaries on the other hand never kill priests.

Umm that's not true. Franco was supported by the church, and the orthodox church wasnt treated very well by the Russian revolutionaries (lol rasputin). And the OPs vocabulary is wrong, he should say "islamist rebels" do whatever he's talking about, seeing as there are actual revolutionaries who are marginalized by people like the bourgeois media, and the OP. But I'm not going to argue with anybody about this.

[hatzel]

Well, actually, Zionist Rabbis are safe. Because the revolutionaries moderates(moderately sectarian?), after all, or because the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the revolution(it's probably the latter).

Wait what the fuck is this bullshit?! And why exactly has nobody bothered to call this clown out for it?

The reason Jewish (that's the word you were looking for, by the way) rabbis aren't being killed isn't because they're part of some kind of conspiracy to install radical Islamists in Syria (lol), it's because you'd be hard pressed to find one. The Jewish population of Syria (pop. 22 million) is currently reported to be in double-figures, it's not at all unlikely there are fewer than 20-30 Jews in the whole country, which certainly suggests that the number of rabbis isn't much above zero, if there is in fact a single rabbi left.

The fact that nobody's hunting out and killing an almost non-existant population only becomes somehow controversial when it's been filtered through a deeply antisemitic mind...

[Paul Pott]

Wait what the fuck is this bullshit?! And why exactly has nobody bothered to call this clown out for it?

The reason Jewish (that's the word you were looking for, by the way) rabbis aren't being killed isn't because they're part of some kind of conspiracy to install radical Islamists in Syria (lol), it's because you'd be hard pressed to find one. The Jewish population of Syria (pop. 22 million) is currently reported to be in double-figures, it's not at all unlikely there are fewer than 20-30 Jews in the whole country, which certainly suggests that the number of rabbis isn't much above zero, if there is in fact a single rabbi left.

The fact that nobody's hunting out and killing an almost non-existant population only becomes somehow controversial when it's been filtered through a deeply antisemitic mind...

He's referring to the possibility that the Zionists are aiding the rebels. Israel is hostile to Assad, and has a history of helping Islamists rise to prominence in order to weaken Arab resistance, so it can't be dismissed out of hand. Not only would an Islamist takeover in Syria provide an opportunity to seize more Syrian land, but it would help the electoral prospects of the Netanyahu clique because the colonists would fear the Arab world more than ever. You know, 14 words and all.

Take your Zionist rage elsewhere.

[Paul Pott]

Communist revolutionaries on the other hand never kill priests.

I forgot that communists were religious sectarians.

[Sasha]

He's referring to the possibility that the Zionists are aiding the rebels. Israel is hostile to Assad, and has a history of helping Islamists rise to prominence in order to weaken Arab resistance, so it can't be dismissed out of hand. Not only would an Islamist takeover in Syria provide an opportunity to seize more Syrian land, but it would help the electoral prospects of the Netanyahu clique because the colonists would fear the Arab world more than ever. You know, 14 words and all.

Take your Zionist rage elsewhere.

Did you now just connect a infamous neo-Nazi slogan with "Zionism"? You are disgusting...

[Paul Pott]

The 14 words is what Zionism is all about, as a racist, colonialist ideology. Just replace "White".

[Sasha]

And you call yourself a historical materialist?!?
Maybe Jews have a bit better reason to worry about extermination than the white race?
Fuck this, I'm not even going to debate this..

[Tim Cornelis]

He's referring to the possibility that the Zionists are aiding the rebels. Israel is hostile to Assad, and has a history of helping Islamists rise to prominence in order to weaken Arab resistance, so it can't be dismissed out of hand. Not only would an Islamist takeover in Syria provide an opportunity to seize more Syrian land, but it would help the electoral prospects of the Netanyahu clique because the colonists would fear the Arab world more than ever. You know, 14 words and all.

Take your Zionist rage elsewhere.

This is absolutely ridiculous, Israel apparently thinks: "yes, let's install an unstable, fiercely anti-Zionist regime next to our border so we can needlessly steal more land which will surely lead to us becoming an international pariah as at that point even the US can no longer afford to back us..."
Geopolitics in a nutshell!
But apparently pointing out that seeing the Zionist ghost behind this and that evil deed suggests underlying and lingering anti-Semitism is "Zionist rage"!

I'm with the Free Syrian Army in claiming Israel prefers Assad over the rebels.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-official-assad-preferable-to-extremist-rebels-the-times-of-london-reports-1.524605?localLinksEnabled=false

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000848219&fid=4727


Jerusalem cannot openly express its position, to avoid been perceived as collaborating with the Assad regime, strengthening it, and exposing Israel's disagreement with its friends in Washington. But what the government quietly whispers, unofficial spokesmen say out loud. For example, former Minister of Defense Binyamin Ben-Eliezer says that the lack of an address in Damascus is bad for Israel. Former Mossad chief Efraim Halevy called Assad "our man in Damascus" in an article in "Foreign Affairs". Halevy believes that the ongoing chaos in Syria enthralls Islamists in the region and threatens the security of Israel's neighbors, including Lebanon, Jordan, and Iraq.


The 14 words is what Zionism is all about, as a racist, colonialist ideology. Just replace "White".

You're an idiot.

[Paul Pott]

And you call yourself a historical materialist?!?

What?


Maybe Jews have a bit better reason to worry about extermination than the white race?

Oh, of course. After all, the whole motivation for putting an end to Israel is to exterminate the Jews.

Thank you for proving my point. Evidently it's bad (let's call it what it is all over the world, little z zionism) when it's western neo-nazis advocating the marginalization of immigrants or even genocide to create an ethnic paradise, but fine when it's done in the name of the Jews and presents a bourgeois democratic face at the level of the state.


Fuck this, I'm not even going to debate this..

That's fine.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

And you call yourself a historical materialist?!?
Maybe Jews have a bit better reason to worry about extermination than the white race?

Just like the French in Algeria, no? Quite a few liberals went into fits at the mention of French colonialism in Algeria as well. But such times are past - now it is the Jews that are allegedly in danger of extermination, as you scream in every single one of your posts on the subject, and therefore we must abandon such trifles as opposition to colonialism.

Herd all the Jews into the ghetto that is the State of Israel and let their fate be decided by the paranoid, colonial administration that has provoked every state and non-state actor in its immediate area - that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Jews should be protected, apparently.

[Tim Cornelis]

Oh, of course. After all, the whole motivation for putting an end to Israel is to exterminate the Jews.

No you idiot, the foundation of Israel was a response to genocide. That is, Jews, having been historically persecuted, and just having been subject to a monstrous genocide killing six million, have more reason to to fear their extermination than whites.


Thank you for proving my point. Evidently it's bad (let's call it what it is all over the world, little z zionism) when it's western neo-nazis advocating the marginalization of immigrants or even genocide to create an ethnic paradise, but fine when it's done in the name of the Jews and presents a bourgeois democratic face at the level of the state.

This is on par with saying "oh, when black people say "cracker" no one cares, but when a white man says "nigger" all of a sudden...!!!!" Context you idiot, context. Without context, feminism is anti-man, without context black nationalism is the same as white supremacy, without context Zionism is on par with neo-Nazism. Is Zionism is a justifiable position? No, but to compare it with neo-Nazism, all of it, suggests, yes, a linger and underlying anti-Semitic sentiment.

If Israel had wanted to commit genocide, there would have been no Palestinian left.

[Paul Pott]

This is absolutely ridiculous, Israel apparently thinks: "yes, let's install an unstable, fiercely anti-Zionist regime next to our border so we can needlessly steal more land which will surely lead to us becoming an international pariah as at that point even the US can no longer afford to back us..."
Geopolitics in a nutshell!
But apparently pointing out that seeing the Zionist ghost behind this and that evil deed suggests underlying and lingering anti-Semitism is "Zionist rage"!

I'm with the Free Syrian Army in claiming Israel prefers Assad over the rebels.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-official-assad-preferable-to-extremist-rebels-the-times-of-london-reports-1.524605?localLinksEnabled=false

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/docview.asp?did=1000848219&fid=4727



Realistically, they want a long term conflict where neither side can gain the upper hand and the Arab and Muslim world are focused on each other rather than the Zionists, and where Islamists are prominent to unite the whole west behind Israel's "defense". The idea that Israel supports Assad has been disproved by more recent events.


so we can needlessly steal more land which will surely lead to us becoming an international pariah as at that point even the US can no longer afford to back us..."

Because they were cut off the last few times they stole land.

http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Israel-considers-building-buffer-zone-inside-Syria

"Buffer zone" my ass, eventually there will be settlers.


You're an idiot.

Still a higher form of life than Zionists.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

No you idiot, the foundation of Israel was a response to genocide.

Like hell it was. Colonial projects in Palestine far predate the Nazi genocide of the Jews. And you might notice that there are no more Nazi state - so who exactly is supposed to exterminate the Jews? Those barbaric subhuman Palestinians, no doubt.

[hatzel]

He's referring to the possibility that the Zionists are aiding the rebels. Israel is hostile to Assad, and has a history of helping Islamists rise to prominence in order to weaken Arab resistance, so it can't be dismissed out of hand. Not only would an Islamist takeover in Syria provide an opportunity to seize more Syrian land, but it would help the electoral prospects of the Netanyahu clique because the colonists would fear the Arab world more than ever. You know, 14 words and all.

Take your Zionist rage elsewhere.

No, he's saying that these bloodthirsty Islamists he clearly despises (unless they're the Islamists on the right side, of course) are happy to kill Syrian (and non-Syrian) Shiites, Syrian (and non-Syrian) Christians, Syrian (and non-Syrian) Druze, Syrian (and non-Syrian) Alawites...but not Syrian Jews, not because they effectively don't exist, but because they're supposedly pulling the puppet strings in all this, they're in with Al-Qaeda or some shit. This has nothing to do with Netanyahu, Israel, Zionism or anything else, it has to do with Syrian Jews and their not being murdered. Trying to slide between the two to hide the reality of the issue shows what a no-good snake you are...

Take your apology/support for unabashed antisemitism elsewhere. Fuck you and fuck Sem (and anybody else thanks your post), you'd do well to remember that this is a forum which operates a zero-tolerance policy when it comes to antisemitism, just like we do in the real world. I knew the minute I saw you arguing there was Jewish privilege in the US that you'd eventually show yourself up for the filthy piece of shit that you are. You can't hide your true colours behind anti-Zionism any more. It's clear to see that's nothing but a facade, and that you're more than happy to sing the praises of any antisemite crafty enough to switch the word 'Zionist' for 'Jew' when they're spitting their sordid diatribe. Go join your buddy Dieudonné or something, his antisemitism masquerading as anti-Zionism dragged him out of the left, too.

Scum.

[#FF0000]

Like hell it was. Colonial projects in Palestine far predate the Nazi genocide of the Jews. And you might notice that there are no more Nazi state - so who exactly is supposed to exterminate the Jews? Those barbaric subhuman Palestinians, no doubt.

You're right it was actually in response to virulent anti-semitism and persecution throughout Europe.


If Israel had wanted to commit genocide, there would have been no Palestinian left.

Yo I'm sure that would happen if actual overt genocide wasn't generally frowned upon by the international community.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

You're right it was actually in response to virulent anti-semitism and persecution throughout Europe.

And the first British colonists came to America to escape the religious wars of the period. What of it? Colonialism is colonialism.

[#FF0000]

And the first British colonists came to America to escape the religious wars of the period. What of it? Colonialism is colonialism.

I don't think moving to a place and buying some land is colonialism actually.

[Paul Pott]

^ Just like I said, childish, impotent, Zionist rage, with the obligatory accusations of anti-Semitism.

[#FF0000]

^ Just like I said, childish, impotent, Zionist rage, with the obligatory accusations of anti-Semitism.

You are an actual idiot if you still can't see what was fucked up about the statement hatzel was talking about, even after he explained it in his last post.

I hate on islamist syrian rebels and Israel all day but I can still recognize some braindead racist nonsense when I see it so y'all don't have an excuse.

[khad]

I'm with the Free Syrian Army in claiming Israel prefers Assad over the rebels.
Salafist leaders disagree.

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http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Hamas-official-Stopping-Assad-priority-over-jihad-in-Palestine-317570


Abdel Aziz Dweik, speaker of the Hamas-dominated Palestinian Legislative Council, told the Arabic newspaper Echorouk that the PLC fully supported the Syrian opposition in its efforts to “stop the bloodshed, which is a priority over anything else, including Jihad in Palestine.” Keeping Assad’s regime in power, he continued, was tantamount to “a stab in the heart and chest,” arguing that removing the Syrian dictatorship would pave the way for boosting the Palestinian cause.

[Tim Cornelis]

Like hell it was. Colonial projects in Palestine far predate the Nazi genocide of the Jews. And you might notice that there are no more Nazi state - so who exactly is supposed to exterminate the Jews? Those barbaric subhuman Palestinians, no doubt.

How was it colonial? To my knowledge, which is not extensive, Jewish settlers took unused land and lived 'side by side' with Arabs (in their own respective villages). This is not colonialism in the sense of imposing a foreign system on the native population.
The Nazi-companion Haj Amin al-Husseini whom had relations with the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar began a hate campaign against the new Jewish settlers. Did Al-Husseini want to exterminate all Jews? Given his relations to the Nazis this would seem a substantiated fear for Jews, surely.

And what do you mean by your last sentence? That given the Holocaust, Jews being afraid of extermination was not really a substantiated fear?

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

I don't think moving to a place and buying some land is colonialism actually.

It isn't. But the subsequent treatment of both the American natives and Palestinians was colonial.


How was it colonial? To my knowledge, which is not extensive, Jewish settlers took unused land and lived 'side by side' with Arabs (in their own respective villages).

...and tried to exclude Arab labour, formed their own militias, concluded treaties with the Arab effendis which negated any sort of selfdetermination for the Arab fellahs and workers in Palestine, and eventually started driving out the Arabs well before the proclamation of the State of Israel.



The Nazi-companion Haj Amin al-Husseini whom had relations with the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar began a hate campaign against the new Jewish settlers. Did Al-Husseini want to exterminate all Jews? Given his relations to the Nazis this would seem a substantiated fear for Jews, surely.

It was. In 1943. It isn't at present. Yet psycho would have us believe that there are shadowy forces that will pounce upon and massacre the Jews the moment Israel shows any signs of weakness.

[Tim Cornelis]

It isn't. But the subsequent treatment of both the American natives and Palestinians was colonial.



...and tried to exclude Arab labour, formed their own militias, concluded treaties with the Arab effendis which negated any sort of selfdetermination for the Arab fellahs and workers in Palestine, and eventually started driving out the Arabs well before the proclamation of the State of Israel.

Driving out Arabs or defend their communities against pogroms by antisemites?


It was. In 1943. It isn't at present. Yet psycho would have us believe that there are shadowy forces that will pounce upon and massacre the Jews the moment Israel shows any signs of weakness.

No I don't. I oppose Israel and Zionism. The point being made was that Zionism and the 14 words (the disgusting equating of Zionism and Neo-Nazism) cannot be compared as extermination of Jews, both in Europe and the Middle East, was far more realistic and threatening than any moment in history when whites were threatened with extermination (which was never).

[#FF0000]

It isn't. But the subsequent treatment of both the American natives and Palestinians was colonial.

Yup. But as I understand it, the earliest "Zionist movement" was all about moving in and buying some land until they constituted a "nation". Wasn't until later they decided "welp this isn't gonna work" and decided to drive out arabs with the help of the British.

[Sasha]

Last time, understanding why something happend isn't the same as supporting it happening let alone supporting its continuation let alone what it became.
But since I'm not a fucking mindless idiot I can on top of that also see what and who DO contribute to the problem, its you "anti-zionists" with is just bunch of brown shit painted gold instead of us actual leftists who oppose Zionism like we do all national projects.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Driving out Arabs or defend their communities against pogroms by antisemites?

The former, unless you consider massacring entire villages of Arabs to be "defense".


No I don't. I oppose Israel and Zionism. The point being made was that Zionism and the 14 words (the disgusting equating of Zionism and Neo-Nazism) cannot be compared as extermination of Jews, both in Europe and the Middle East, was far more realistic and threatening than any moment in history when whites were threatened with extermination (which was never).

So, why is the comparison "disgusting"? Because the Jews were once threatened with extermination, so now Zionism, which claims to represent Jews (whether they want to be represented by that lunatic movement or not), is above all criticism? As if. That is the old refrain of European and American liberal intellectuals, and it has nothing to do with communism. Colonial racism is colonial racism, whether it is French, German, Jewish or Sinhala.

And if "the white race" was threatened by extinction at some point, that would make neo-Nazism more tolerable? Again, as if. And how far are we permitted to go into the past? To Jebe's invasion of Europe perhaps? That rather threatened part of the "white race". Of course, it would be ridiculous to base modern policy on that. But it is equally ridiculous for Israeli sympathisers to pretend that Jews are being gassed en masse in every country but the glorious State of Israel.

Also, you're not psycho, but that's neither here nor there.


Yup. But as I understand it, the earliest "Zionist movement" was all about moving in and buying some land until they constituted a "nation". Wasn't until later they decided "welp this isn't gonna work" and decided to drive out arabs with the help of the British.

That doesn't really make sense. Zionists sometimes talked about "a land without people for a people without land". But it was obvious to anyone with half a brain cell and an atlas that there really were people in Palestine. Only the most naive could have imagined that the glorious Israeli nation could be formed without dispossessing these people - and the early Zionist leaders were anything but naive. They concluded treaties with imperial powers, built kibbutzim (designed to exclude Arab labour), and so on, all with the intention of dispossessing the Arabs. The policy of outright murder and ethnic cleansing was merely the logical extension of that.


Last time, understanding why something happend isn't the same as supporting it happening let alone supporting its continuation let alone what it became.

"What it became"? I see you're still trying to sell the notion of early Zionism being democratic and whatnot. But unfortunately for you, the colonial nature of early Zionism, and middle Zionism, and late Zionism, and all forms of bloody Zionism, is very easy to notice. And, of course, you were merely trying to "understand why something happened" (by indulging in ahistorical fantasies about Israel magically appearing one day in response to the Nazi genocides, but whatever). It's not as if you constantly insinuate that the Palestinians want to kill every Jew (why, those barbarous natives!), and it's not as if you thanked a post that suggested Israel should kill every Palestinians.

You're fooling no one.


But since I'm not a fucking mindless idiot I can on top of that also see what and who DO contribute to the problem, its you "anti-zionists" with is just bunch of brown shit painted gold instead of us actual leftists who oppose Zionism like we do all national projects.

"You actual leftists" being, what, you and four or five of your mates? Oh, and maybe Sean Matgamna, but you'd probably denounce even old Sean as an anti-Semite. In truth, communists oppose colonial projects, and they always have, even when it turned the liberals against them. This has nothing to do with the ultraleft dismissal of national selfdetermination - this ridiculous chanting of "bourgeois nationalism" as if it will ward off the anticommunist spirits. If you can't see the difference between, say, the Netherlands, and the French Algiers, Israel, or Sri Lanka, you have no right to lecture others about "actual leftism".

[Sasha]

i think we dutch understand apartheid and colonialism pretty good, we invented the former and championed the latter for more than a hundred years. maybe read a history book for a change.
and please direct me to this post i "thanked [...] that suggested Israel should kill every Palestinians."
you know, you really shouldn't make your lies to specific, people might call you out on it.
link it, now.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Link. (http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2620720&postcount=11)

[Sasha]

wow, thats pretty damning, he doesnt say anything about that the israeli's should kill all the pallestinians but pretty damning still i give you.
but i'm sorry to inform you, he edited the stupid stuff in after i thanked him as you can see from the scene grab attached.
i thanked this post:


Discussions about Israel get tedious after the 100th time.

As for your question of why Israel is picked apart from the numerous ills that ravage this world, my opinion is that there is a huge material interest behind both supporting and opposing Israel; and one wonder how many more Zaha Hadid's colossal and useless buildings could be made in Arabia with the money that is funneled into this, if you know what I mean.
The western left is merely confining itself to be as relevant as it was over the past century: the moralists, do-gooders cries have less impact than background noise.
As I said here before anyone who went to Israel could see how the reality there is different from what is portrayed both by supporters and opposers of this state, what you get from Israel outside Israel is so distorted that people discussing this country and its circumstances sounds like kids pretending to be kings and enacting solutions for the world.

Winners write history and the most amazing thing of this conflict is that there isn't any winner and there won't be in a future. Palestine, be it Hamas or whatever weak mutant entity that rules the West Bank, have no objective besides frustrating Israel, and Israel is locked, they doesn't have diplomatic options, they doesn't have military options, they doesn't have demographic options, they doesn't even have the sheer number of people to simply flood everything and everyone with their own point of view, like Russia or Usa always had. Neither sides can do anything. At least one lesson can be taken out of this: technologic and organizational superiority means nothing if you don't have diplomacy.and there goes your triumph... which brings us to the question, why the hell are you logging this kind of shit? let me guess, no non-jewish members you are keeping taps on huh... :rolleyes:

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

...I'm not "logging this kind of shit", I participated in the thread, and my memory isn't that bad (at least when it comes to inconsequential bullshit). Furthermore, while the line about "killing the Palestinians like Genghis Khan would" was (apparently) added later, the original post still contained gems about Israel "preserving the Arabs in Haifa or Nazareth". The entire tone of the post was unreservedly hostile toward Palestinians.

And yes, of course I "keep taps on you", simply because you're Jewish. Once I perfect my Jew-O-Vision (TM), I will be able to keep taps on all Jewish members, for... some reason.

Or perhaps I oppose colonial projects and those who support them, and this is not rooted in some irrational hatred of Jews.

[Sasha]

nope, as the screenshot shows the haifa etc bit was edited in later too...
but keep constructing your myth that i'm an zionist, you know, me the person who refused israeli citizenship and the military service it entailed and thus actually did something tangible against the occupation...

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Not really, both versions have the statement about "preserving Arabs in Haifa and Nazareth", in the third paragraph, in your screenshot at least. And I don't know your biography, nor is it important. Your statements, on the other hand, are a matter of public record. Perhaps you really don't see yourself as supportive of Zionism, but that is really how you come off.

[Sasha]

If you repeat a lie long enough it still doesn't become truth...
Buy thanx for the link, ill remove my thanx because while you problably won't believe i don't actually support mindbogingly stupid shit like that, I was very shocked myself when I saw I thanked that post, I almost expected foul play until I opened the edit log....

[Sea]

Shouldn't someone, like, uh, lock this thread or something? The dead bishop left like half a million posts ago.

[Paul Pott]

You are an actual idiot if you still can't see what was fucked up about the statement hatzel was talking about, even after he explained it in his last post.

I hate on islamist syrian rebels and Israel all day but I can still recognize some braindead racist nonsense when I see it so y'all don't have an excuse.


Let's look at what Manar actually said.


Well, actually, Zionist Rabbis are safe. Because the revolutionaries moderates(moderately sectarian?), after all, or because the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the revolution(it's probably the latter).

Does that look anything like this?


...but not Syrian Jews, not because they effectively don't exist, but because they're supposedly pulling the puppet strings in all this, they're in with Al-Qaeda or some shit.

In case you didn't know, "Zionist Entity" is an old term for the state of Israel. Manar is saying the Zionists are supporting the rebels. He only mentions rabbis in the context of clergy in Syria, he's not saying they're controlling anything or evoking images of hook nosed Hassidic Jews behind the scenes.

Basically, Hatzel, being an ultra sensitive Zionist attack dog, blew up at the first mention of Israel and put a bunch of words in his mouth. If it's such a big deal, ask Manar to come explain himself.

[#FF0000]

Does that look anything like this?

Yes is absolutely does you fucking imbecile.

[#FF0000]

"c'mon dude he is clearly not suggesting that zionist rabbis are safe because the rebels are puppets in a big ol jewish UH ZIONIST I MEAN ZIONIST conspiracy"

the fuck outta here

[Paul Pott]

Yes is absolutely does you fucking imbecile.

Are you really such a stupid fuck or do you have to fake it?

Oh boy here we go, when they say Zionists, they really mean the Jews! Everyone obviously hates the poor Jews so let's just ignore what is actually being said and scream Hitler!

[#FF0000]

Are you really such a stupid fuck or do you have to fake it?

It's clear as day you dope -- he is seriously suggesting that "Zionist rabbis" (which don't exist in Syria in the first place) are safe because the syrian rebels are all a part of some big zionist conspiracy against Assad.

How the fuck do you not see the "JEWISH CONSPIRACY!!!" bullshit in that?


Oh boy here we go, Anti-Zionists really mean Jews!

Yo you know I'm not an apologist for Israel and hate on Israel all day every day, so don't even try that.

[hatzel]

If somebody could briefly explain to me why the well-documented positions of remarkably Christian countries like the US and those in Europe that have waded in against Assad didn't mean François here was safe from these rebels, and why folk seem so convinced that Israel is totally different and in fact could sponsor some pretty virulent antisemites safe in the knowledge that no Jew will ever meet a similar fate as this bishop at their hands, that'd be swell, cheers...

[Paul Pott]

How the fuck do you not see the "JEWISH CONSPIRACY!!!" bullshit in that?



Because I don't have the mindreading ability that you evidently have that allows me to look at a sentence like "the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the rebels" and see "THE JEWS ARE CONTROLLING THE WHOLE THING".

[hatzel]

Because I don't have the mindreading ability that you evidently have that allows me to look at a sentence like "the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the rebels" and see "THE JEWS ARE CONTROLLING THE WHOLE THING".

Still pretty cute that you're lopping off the first half of that sentence when you know full well that the issue lies precisely in the bit you're neglecting to mention and its relation to the bit you are mentioning, and then pretending people are taking issue with this hanging clause rather the full sentence. I can only assume this is because you find the whole sentence a little too problematic to defend (openly, at least)...

[Paul Pott]

Still pretty cute that you're lopping off the first half of that sentence when you know full well that the issue lies precisely in the bit you're neglecting to mention and its relation to the bit you are mentioning, and then pretending people are taking issue with this hanging clause rather the full sentence. I can only assume this is because you find the whole sentence a little too problematic to defend (openly, at least)...

I already addressed that, but fine:


Because I don't have the mindreading ability that you evidently have that allows me to look at a sentence like "they won't hurt pro-Zionist rabbis because the Zionist Entity is a sponsor of the rebels" and see "THE JEWS ARE CONTROLLING THE WHOLE THING".

[MarxSchmarx]

OK people. Try to stay on topic.

revleft has a TON of threads about zionism. Any further OT posts about the merits/demerits of what Israel/Zionism is doing that depart from what this thread is about will be trashed and their creators warned for off-topic trolling.

Honestly I don't want to see Israel become another version of Godwin's law.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

How is Israel not a fucking Zionist entity? That's not zionist in terms of the Tsarist propaganda 'Book of Zion', with it's racist charicatures - It's an imperialist, US backed racialist state, based on reclaiming the Levant (Israel) as an ethnic "motherland" for jews, that is involved, along with the Saudi hellhole, with the Islamists in Syria.

Anyone who says that calling the state of Israel zionist is 'anti-semitic' is a fucking revolting piece of racist-apologising liberal shit. The ideology of all the major political parties in Israel usually translate into ethnic-nationalism and religious fundamentalism, in this case Zionism. The entire concept of Israel was centered around Zionism! Manar isn't saying that 'jews are plotting in Syria'. He's emotively talking of how the rebels aren't going near anything connected to the Israeli government (surprise, surprise).

And this Zionist state happens to be involved with the Sauds in Syria. His language, while emotive, is in no way anti-semitic. That is, unless you view being anti-semitic as being anti-israel, in which you'd be correct in that most communists should be against a fucking apartheid hellhole controlling the levant.

If I call Saudi Arabia an 'Islamist entity', I'm not referring to the entirety of it's population nor am I referring to all arabs as a part of this islamist entity. Saying that the 'jews are a part of a world conspiracy' is completely fucking different to saying that 'Israel, a zionist state, is supporting rebels in the syrian uprising'.

But then again I guess the liberalesque connectathon all the anti-deutsch sympathising racist idiots on this website are fond of using prevents them from seeing this.

[#FF0000]

damn y'all are fucking stupid.

Calling Israel a "zionist entity" is not the thing.

Suggesting that the Syrian rebels aren't gonna attack jewish rabbis because the rebels are being supported by Israel smacks of some weirdo anti-semitic jewish conspiracy bullshit and it's depressing that people here are so dense that they don't see it just because he said "zionist' and not "jewish".

I remember after the WTC attack on 9/11/01 there were a lot of racist conspiracy theorists going on about how "OH MAN THERE WERE NO JEWS IN THE TOWERS THAT DAY, BECAUSE IT WAS A ZIONIST CONSPIRACY". The shit hatzel pointed out in this thread is cut from the same anti-semitic cloth and y'all are just so, so dumb to not recognize it.

EDIT: me and psycho are on the same side on this

that is how badly y'all are fucking up right now.

[Le Socialiste]

I leave for four fucking days and this shit starts up again? Jesus, we're not even near the end of the year and this crap's already gotten old. A couple of people have already highlighted the fact that Israel (and the U.S. for that matter) would prefer a transitional plan more akin to what occurred in Yemen than have a post-Assad political vacuum. As for the posts about whether Israel is a colonial or Zionist state - you'd be hard pressed to find anyone on the Left who didn't consider it as such. But attacking other posters as Zionists or apologists for Israeli atrocities simply because they're pointing out why you're wrong (AntiNihilist) is indefensible.

[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

Suggesting that the Syrian rebels aren't gonna attack jewish rabbis because the rebels are being supported by Israel smacks of some weirdo anti-semitic jewish conspiracy bullshit and it's depressing that people here are so dense that they don't see it just because he said "zionist' and not "jewish".

That doesn't follow at all. If the Islamists are being supported by Israel - and need I remind everyone that Israel bombed Damascus recently? - then the most prudent course of action for the Islamists would be to avoid incidents that will generate negative publicity in Israel. Nobody suggested that the Syrian Jews are aiding the Islamists - I highly doubt most of them would want to live in another Saudi Arabia.


I remember after the WTC attack on 9/11/01 there were a lot of racist conspiracy theorists going on about how "OH MAN THERE WERE NO JEWS IN THE TOWERS THAT DAY, BECAUSE IT WAS A ZIONIST CONSPIRACY". The shit hatzel pointed out in this thread is cut from the same anti-semitic cloth and y'all are just so, so dumb to not recognize it.

See, that's antisemitic because it implies that Jews all take orders from the Mossad or something to that effect, and incidentally that all Jews are psychopaths who would not save anyone who is not Jewish. Manar's statement never implied anything similar. He didn't posit a conspiracy. Nor did he say anything about Syrian Jews - he talked about the Islamists and their actions.

For example, on many occasions, the Croat Nazi forces in Bosnia avoided coming into confrontation with Serb forces, and killing Serb civilians, since both sides were focused on exterminating the Bosniaks. Is pointing this out anti-Serb? Of course it isn't.


EDIT: me and psycho are on the same side on this

that is how badly y'all are fucking up right now.

Someone has certainly fucked up.


But attacking other posters as Zionists or apologists for Israeli atrocities simply because they're pointing out why you're wrong (AntiNihilist) is indefensible.

But apparently, it's perfectly alright to accuse other posters of antisemitism for opposing Israel.

[#FF0000]

fuck israel tho

ain't no one calling me an antisemite

[MarxArchist]

No you idiot, the foundation of Israel was a response to genocide. That is, Jews, having been historically persecuted, and just having been subject to a monstrous genocide killing six million, have more reason to to fear their extermination than whites.

Is Judaism a race now?






Context you idiot, context. Without context, feminism is anti-man
Some feminist theory is anti male.




without context black nationalism is the same as white supremacy

Why are you a communist? If you think every person, race, group, sex etc that has been oppressed deserves their own nation separate from everyone else why are you a communist? If you don't think this why does Israel get a "pass"? Should women have their own nation state? Gay people? Blacks, Hispanics etc and so on? What sort of world do you envision in the future? Black nationalists and white nationalists fundamentally agree that "multiculturalism is a failure".


without context Zionism is on par with neo-Nazism. Is Zionism is a justifiable position? No, but to compare it with neo-Nazism, all of it, suggests, yes, a linger and underlying anti-Semitic sentiment.

They're employing NAZI like tactics. Not as bad of course as apartheid and genocide aren't the same thing but it's not a stretch to say the Israeli state is "acting like NAZI Germany" and the populations blind eye to the subjugation of Palestinians is also comparable to the blind eye many Germans employed concerning treatment of Jews as they were being hauled off to Ghettos.


If Israel had wanted to commit genocide, there would have been no Palestinian left.

The Israeli state would like nothing more. The thing is, after WW2 the global community half way got it's shit together and tends to, well, frown on genocide. You know, maybe before we try to abolish all the various nation states around the globe we should advocate more states be created in order to segragate all the races, religions, sexes, and or anyone who has been oppressed in any way shape or form. Maybe soon we'll find new habitable planets and we can simply segregate humanity onto different planets? Full on communism there. I'm on board.

[Manar]

Wait what the fuck is this bullshit?! And why exactly has nobody bothered to call this clown out for it?

The reason Jewish (that's the word you were looking for, by the way) rabbis aren't being killed isn't because they're part of some kind of conspiracy to install radical Islamists in Syria (lol), it's because you'd be hard pressed to find one. The Jewish population of Syria (pop. 22 million) is currently reported to be in double-figures, it's not at all unlikely there are fewer than 20-30 Jews in the whole country, which certainly suggests that the number of rabbis isn't much above zero, if there is in fact a single rabbi left.

The fact that nobody's hunting out and killing an almost non-existant population only becomes somehow controversial when it's been filtered through a deeply antisemitic mind...
Hello. You're an idiot and my point flew right over your head. I'll explain though, don't sweat it.

First of all, I wasn't looking for the word "Jewish", I said Zionist - that is to say, pro-Zionist, pro-Israeli- and I meant Zionist. I have no issues with normal Rabbis. Just like I don't care much for pro-life Christian priests, but have no problems with decent priests.

Moving on. I said nothing about Zionist Rabbis in Syria. The large historic Syrian Jewish Community, which was concentrated in Damascus and Aleppo, immigrated to Latin America, the United States and the Zionist Entity. Whatever was left of it before the October War of 1973 left after the October War. I know this because I hail from a neighboring country.

Zionist Rabbis are safe from Salafi Jihadis because Salafi Jihadis are, as tools of Saudi and NATO foreign policy, are in alliance with the Zionist Entity. The Wahhabis and the Ikwanists are all in for butchering fellow Muslims to increase the Sunni-Shia sectarianism, thus allowing for easier American and Zionist control over the Muslim world. It's a bit funny how the international Islamist Jihadis are going to fight anyone in the Middle East, except for the Zionists? I think it's even funnier how when Ikwan parties come to power, they help the Zionists against other Ikwan parties(Egypt for example, is ran by an Ikwan government, yet it helps the Zionists against another Ikhwan party, Hamas).

You can continue calling Arab anti-Zionists like me "deeply antisemitic". Only you enlightened Westerners are civilized enough to have anti-Zionism without anti-Semitism.

[Manar]

Communist revolutionaries on the other hand never kill priests.
Hello, idiot. Communists don't engage in sectarian-religious killing of minority religions, yes. I thought everybody knew that. Is FSA cannibalism justifiable now as well because during the Siege of Leningrad, many Russians resorted to eating the dead?

[Manar]

I don't think moving to a place and buying some land is colonialism actually.
Dozens of thousands of white Europeans calling themselves "the chosen people", settling on the land of 'savage' brown Muslims with the intention of eventually taking all the land there and expelling all the native savage brown Muslims is not colonialism?

[Manar]

Last time, understanding why something happend isn't the same as supporting it happening let alone supporting its continuation let alone what it became.
But since I'm not a fucking mindless idiot I can on top of that also see what and who DO contribute to the problem, its you "anti-zionists" with is just bunch of brown shit painted gold instead of us actual leftists who oppose Zionism like we do all national projects.
Understanding is different from apologizing. What you are doing is apologizing. You are an apologist for Zionism. You go ahead and prove that in the second part of you post, where you equate Zionism with other "national projects". Hey, guys, Zionism is just like Swiss nationalism, so the genocide against Palestinians is relatively okay!

[Manar]

nope, as the screenshot shows the haifa etc bit was edited in later too...
but keep constructing your myth that i'm an zionist, you know, me the person who refused israeli citizenship and the military service it entailed and thus actually did something tangible against the occupation...
So because you were afraid of getting killed by a Palestianian militant you are some sort of anti-Zionist martyr?

[Manar]

Yes is absolutely does you fucking imbecile.
I explained my post earlier so I guess you're the 'fucking imbecile' now.

[Tifosi]

Then explain why these guys beheaded this preist on the Internet when majority Christian countries are supporting the rebels in the fight against Assad? The same logic must surely apply?

Why is Israel different here?

[Manar]

Then explain why these guys beheaded this preist on the Internet when majority Christian countries are supporting the rebels in the fight against Assad? The same logic must surely apply?

Why is Israel different here?
If you thought about it for yourself, you would have discovered the answer to that question in a few seconds.

The difference is this:
The Syrian Christian community is pro-Government and anti-rebel, for obvious reasons. Israel and Israelis on the other hand, are pro-rebel. Why would the rebels behead their sponsors? The rebels in Syria heading Zionists today would make as much sense as the Mujahideeen in Afghanistan beheading CIA agents in 1985. Salafism might cause mental retardation indeed, but the rebels are dogs, and dogs know their masters.

[Tifosi]

If you thought about it for yourself, you would have discovered the answer to that question in a few seconds.

The difference is this:
The Syrian Christian community is pro-Government and anti-rebel, for obvious reasons. Israel and Israelis on the other hand, are pro-rebel. Why would the rebels behead their sponsors? The rebels in Syria heading Zionists today would make as much sense as the Mujahideeen in Afghanistan beheading CIA agents in 1985. Salafism might cause mental retardation indeed, but the rebels are dogs, and dogs know their masters.

Wow, how convenient that everything all slots into place like that. It doesn't make much sense, but why let that get in the way?

The rebels obviously aren't in the pocket of some shadowy group. They are happy to openly piss the people that smuggle them weapons through proxies off. If this dog liked it's master so much it wouldn't take a shite on their rug.

But anyway, it's hard to kill something that isn't there in the first place.


The reason Jewish (that's the word you were looking for, by the way) rabbis aren't being killed isn't because they're part of some kind of conspiracy to install radical Islamists in Syria (lol), it's because you'd be hard pressed to find one. The Jewish population of Syria (pop. 22 million) is currently reported to be in double-figures, it's not at all unlikely there are fewer than 20-30 Jews in the whole country, which certainly suggests that the number of rabbis isn't much above zero, if there is in fact a single rabbi left.

The fact that nobody's hunting out and killing an almost non-existant population only becomes somehow controversial when it's been filtered through a deeply antisemitic mind...

[Manar]

Wow, how convenient that everything all slots into place like that. It doesn't make much sense, but why let that get in the way?

The rebels obviously aren't in the pocket of some shadowy group. They are happy to openly piss the people that smuggle them weapons through proxies off. If this dog liked it's master so much it wouldn't take a shite on their rug.

But anyway, it's hard to kill something that isn't there in the first place.
You fucking jackass:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634643&postcount=59

I didn't say a single word about Syrian Jews in the OP.

[Per Levy]

You fucking jackass:

http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634643&postcount=59

I didn't say a single word about Syrian Jews in the OP.

but you did say "Well, actually, Zionist Rabbis are safe." if you arnt talking about syrian pro-zionist rabbis(who might not even exist) then why bring pro-zionist rabbis up in the first place? or are there other rabbis in syria from other countries who just happen to be pro-zionist and therefore are safe from these people? enlighten us.

[Manar]

but you did say "Well, actually, Zionist Rabbis are safe." if you arnt talking about syrian pro-zionist rabbis(who might not even exist) then why bring pro-zionist rabbis up in the first place? or are there other rabbis in syria from other countries who just happen to be pro-zionist and therefore are safe from these people? enlighten us.
Why bring up Zionist Rabbis? Maybe because the Zionisty Entity is a major ally of the Mujahideen in Syria?

My meaning was explained by several people in this thread. For example:
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634599&postcount=56
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634528&postcount=51
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634562&postcount=53
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634523&postcount=49
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634505&postcount=43
http://www.revleft.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2634377&postcount=11

The only people that tried to misportray my post as some sort of racist conspiracy theory are the dishonest pro-Wahhabi rats with a clear pro-rebel agenda that think they can discredit my anti-Mujahideen argument by clutching at straws and yelling at the top of their lungs "JEW-HATER!". They borrow these tactics from their Zionist brethren and then shrug their shoulders and wonder why people associate them with the Zionists.

Fucking shameful.

[Skyhilist]

My favorite part of the video is where around a dozen or so little kids are Takbīr'ing during the beheadings. It's not as shocking as the videos of little kids being forced to behead Shias by the FSA, but it's still quite shocking. Is there a limit to the depravity that the Syrian rebels can sink down to?

What is takbir'ing?

[Le Socialiste]

Why bring up Zionist Rabbis? Maybe because the Zionisty Entity is a major ally of the Mujahideen in Syria?

You continue to assert that Israel is an ardent supporter of and ally to the rebellion, but have yet to present tangible proof that this is so. You and a few others insist Israel wants Assad out of power, when all other indicators (statements, interviews, or security reports) appear to the contrary. At present, the Israeli regime is uncertain of its position. It has no love for the Assad family and government, but it acknowledges the 40-plus years of so-called 'peace' along its shared northern border. The last thing Israel wants is an Islamist, fundamentalist government in Syria - especially if said forces take a more militant position (http://www.smh.com.au/world/syria-rebels-a-threat-to-golan-20130312-2fylt.html?skin=text-only) towards it. That's why Aluf Benn wrote an article (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/despite-netanyahu-s-weekly-warnings-on-iran-syria-is-more-imminent-danger.premium-1.515547) for Haaretz a couple of months back, saying that "the worrisome scenario in the North is that after Assad is gone, Israel will be attacked, and the Syrian Golan will turn into a new version of the Gaza Strip, with southern Lebanon serving as a base for launching rockets and missiles. This is what is concerning the IDF's top brass."

What's worse, a post-Assad Syria would usher in a period of intense instability and further conflict between the various factions and elements within the movement, creating the conditions for a political vacuum. None of these scenarios are particularly enticing, but somehow this reality escapes some of y'all.

[hatzel]

calling themselves "the chosen people"

Dude just said that their being Jewish is the problem here ie dude's an antisemite.


Why would the rebels behead their sponsors?

Dude just said that rabbis as a collective are sponsoring the rebels ie dude's an antisemite.


Why bring up Zionist Rabbis? Maybe because the Zionisty Entity is a major ally of the Mujahideen in Syria?

Dude just said that Turkey, Qatar, the US, Saudi Arabia and radical clerics throughout the Sunni world can be ignored because only Israel and rabbis deserve to be mentioned and singled out ie dude's an antisemite.


They borrow these tactics from their Zionist brethren and then shrug their shoulders and wonder why people associate them with the Zionists.

Dude just said that calling an antisemite an antisemite - or in fact taking any position he doesn't like, it seems - makes you an agent of the Zionists (and we've already established that the word 'rabbi' demands the adjective 'Zionist' so it's not difficult to figure out what that's a codeword for) ie dude's an antisemite.

[Rafiq]

against another Ikhwan party, Hamas).


It's interesting how you shia islamists were just three years ago pledging complete fealty with the hamas.

[Manar]

It's interesting how you shia islamists were just three years ago pledging complete fealty with the hamas.
I'm a Maronite Christian from Jouniah, and my family is Aounist. Stop calling me an Islamist you jackass. You fucking people with your idiotic assumptions...

[Manar]

You continue to assert that Israel is an ardent supporter of and ally to the rebellion, but have yet to present tangible proof that this is so. You and a few others insist Israel wants Assad out of power, when all other indicators (statements, interviews, or security reports) appear to the contrary. At present, the Israeli regime is uncertain of its position. It has no love for the Assad family and government, but it acknowledges the 40-plus years of so-called 'peace' along its shared northern border. The last thing Israel wants is an Islamist, fundamentalist government in Syria - especially if said forces take a more militant position (http://www.smh.com.au/world/syria-rebels-a-threat-to-golan-20130312-2fylt.html?skin=text-only) towards it. That's why Aluf Benn wrote an article (http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/despite-netanyahu-s-weekly-warnings-on-iran-syria-is-more-imminent-danger.premium-1.515547) for Haaretz a couple of months back, saying that "the worrisome scenario in the North is that after Assad is gone, Israel will be attacked, and the Syrian Golan will turn into a new version of the Gaza Strip, with southern Lebanon serving as a base for launching rockets and missiles. This is what is concerning the IDF's top brass."

What's worse, a post-Assad Syria would usher in a period of intense instability and further conflict between the various factions and elements within the movement, creating the conditions for a political vacuum. None of these scenarios are particularly enticing, but somehow this reality escapes some of y'all.
Why would the last thing the Zionist Entity want be a Salafi-Ikwahani government in Syria? The Baathist Government of Syria is one of the two primary allies and supporters of Hezbollah and Syria, the Zionisty Entity's two strongest enemies(the former of which is the only one to have ever defeated the Zionist Entity, too). If the Syrian Government is toppled and Syria is taken over by the anti-Shia genocidal sectarians that are the rebels, not will only Hezbollah stop receiving aid from Syria, but Iran's options of aiding Hezbollah will be severely restricted as well and Iran itself would become increasingly isolated too. You can conjure up these stories of so-called 'peace' between the Zionist Entity and Syria all you want, but I would prefer that you stop talking out of your ass. Until 1990, that is, 23 years ago, Syria's forces and her allies were fighting with the Zionists and their stooges. 10 years ago, in 2003, the Zionist Entity bombed Syria, in Ain es Saheb. 6 years ago, in 2007, the Zionist Entity bombed Syria, in Deir ez-Zor. This year, in January, Israel bombed, Syria, in Rif Dimashq. In April, the Zionist Entity bombed a "chemical weapons center" in the Damascus countryside. In May, the Zionist Entity bombed the Damascus International Airport. 2 days later, the Zionist Entity bombed Jamraya, Al-Dimas and Maysalun. These two operations killed around 300 Syrian soldiers in the Army and the Airforce. During the current war, the Zionists have been providing equipment and supplies to the rebels, as well as diplomatic and political support. For example:
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In return, even the most hardcore Salafi and Ikhwani rebel commanders have been voicing their friendly thoughts about the Zionist Entity(while ranting about how evil Shias are at the same time):
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/we-have-no-beef-with-israel-syrian-islamist-rebel-group-says/

Hell, the Zionist are openly providing medical assistance to Jihadis in Syria injured in battle.

If Syria were to fall to the Islamists, on the other hand, the Zionist Entity would gain another ally in the Arab world, just like when Egypt fell to the Muslim Brotherhood(like I said earlier in the thread, not only is Morsi the Muslim Brothererhooder aiding the Zionist Entity against Islamists, he is aiding them against fellow Muslim Brotherhooder: Hamas). No wonder Israel sponsors and aids the rebels.

This Zionist-Islamist alliance is very odd. Erdogan-Israel, Morsi-Israel, FSA-Israel, etc. I guess degenerates just stick together.

[Paul Pott]

It's interesting how you shia islamists were just three years ago pledging complete fealty with the hamas.

Now this comment is pretty low and fucked up but I bet #FF0000 won't be saying anything.

[Skyhilist]

No one answered my question :(

[Paul Pott]

What is takbir'ing?

That's when they recite the takbir, which is a holy slogan, "God is great" or Allahu Akbar.

[Rafiq]

I'm a Maronite Christian from Jouniah, and my family is Aounist. Stop calling me an Islamist you jackass. You fucking people with your idiotic assumptions...

When you first joined this site, you sported an avatar of the Hizbolla emblem. What the fuck is anyone to make of that, other than assuming you're an Islamist (well now we know at the very least you're a running dog of islamism).

Just look at your fucking username. You really think there's nobody here who knows what that means? It is only, of course, the name of the Hizbulla news agency Al-Manar.

If you're not an Islamist, you're a dog of Islamism, for sure.

[Crux]

Pending further action I'm locking down this fucking flame-fest. Thread closed.