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Binh
24th June 2013, 23:12
You hate capitalism.


You understand that a system that puts profits over people by giving taxpayer bailouts to greedy, insolvent banks while refusing to help working people keep their heads above water has got to go.


You realize our standard of living is going to keep getting worse until something is done about it.


You hate racism, Israels brutal ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, the idiocy of the Republicans and the corruption of the Democrats, the fact that LGBTQs face tremendous oppression, violence, and harassment, and youve found a group that gives you hope that if we organize and fight, things can be different. Youve found the International Socialist Organization (ISO), an unapologetically pro-Palestinian, anti-capitalist, anti-oppression group that is active, confident, and organized. You agree with most of what you read in the International Socialist Review (http://www.isreview.org) and Socialist Worker (http://www.socialistworker.org), andyou like what you hear at public meetings, conferences, and study groups.


You are thinking about joining the ISO or youre a member already.
If the above describes you, I hope you read this with a critical and open mind.


My goal in writing this is to encourage a fundamental re-thinking of Leninist party-building efforts in order to help end the unnecessary separation between the socialist movement and the working class that has blocked both movements from beginning to reverse the balance of class forces in America. I strongly believe such party-building efforts have helped perpetuate rather than undermine this crippling separation.


What follows is a critical examination of the ISOs methods, practices, and structures compared (http://planetanarchy.net/isobolsheviks.htm) to those of the Bolshevik faction (http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/912/a-faction-is-not-a-party) of the Russian Social-Democratic Labor Party (RSDLP) which the ISO holds up as its organizing model, as well as some suggestions for a better, more effective political practice.


The rest can be read here:
http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=9055

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
25th June 2013, 00:07
Hey Binh, what's up? I've been meaning to submit that polemic you wanted me to send to the North Star, I've got the draft done and since I've graduated highschool the otherday I'll finally have time to put some of the final touches on it. So i'll get that to you tonight and hopefully we can continue that extange.

And you should visit Revleft more often! I know debates on this website are basically contentless mud slinging contests, but it's fun to sling mud! Besides, at least we don't have that starry eyed, "anti-dogmatic", anything-goes attitude that Kasama has.

Sir Comradical
27th June 2013, 18:04
They're pro-imperialist reactionaries who cheered/cheer the proxy wars against Libya and Syria.

They're as bad as the guy who wrote this vomit.

http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=1097

adipocere
28th June 2013, 23:39
They're pro-imperialist reactionaries who cheered/cheer the proxy wars against Libya and Syria.

They're as bad as the guy who wrote this vomit.

http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=1097

I'm pretty sure Binh is the author of that vomit. :laugh: Or was that intentional?

Dabrowski
28th June 2013, 23:42
It might not be easy, but with enough effort you can be less socialist and more liberal than the ISO. For tips, ask Binh.

Sinister Cultural Marxist
29th June 2013, 03:34
They're pro-imperialist reactionaries who cheered/cheer the proxy wars against Libya and Syria.

They're as bad as the guy who wrote this vomit.

http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=1097

The ISO is guilty of this too, but I find ideological moralism to be a peculiar position for Marxist materialists to take. "How DARE they misinterpret the Libya/Syria uprising, to do so they must necessarily be bourgeois imperialist pigs"

It's not quite the kind of (at least marginally more) nuanced critique you'd find in the linked article.

DaringMehring
29th June 2013, 18:16
ISO is run by a veteran paid apparatus that uses students as disposable manpower. Get recruited in college... do work for several years... get burned out by working hard for something you don't really have a say in... drop out. I've never been in the organization but I've seen it happen. And the thing is, the tops don't really care. They can keep a decent stream of new people coming in. Why deal with dissidents building up, factions developing, etc?

Of course, I've got a certain basic sympathy for anyone calling themselves communist or socialist, anyone calling themselves Trotskyist. It's not exactly easy to build up a Party. It's not that useful to spend a lot of time critiquing other left groups, when 99% of workers remain outside any left group. It's like those unions who spend millions of dollars and organizers' effort to raid other unions, when 88% of workers have no union at all. Go for the rest... there's plenty! Prove you are better not by tearing the other guy down, but by being more successful.

One other thing, the ISO's big claim to being an activist, interventionist, Party of struggle. As far as I could tell, they are not really involved in workers struggles. They show up some times to a picket line... but they won't do it if they are not allowed to hawk their paper or carry their own signs. This is totally against how the old CP and other successful socialist organizations have operated. You support the workers because it is a goal in itself -- the main goal! -- not a means to an end (recruiting, spreading message, etc).

Of course those old time commie organizations had more worker members, a greater organic connection to the struggle, and ISO's model is not at all similar. So maybe it's better they stick to worker struggles that are not boss-fight oriented, but more anti-racism etc.

Binh
9th August 2013, 15:19
Hey Binh, what's up? I've been meaning to submit that polemic you wanted me to send to the North Star, I've got the draft done and since I've graduated highschool the otherday I'll finally have time to put some of the final touches on it. So i'll get that to you tonight and hopefully we can continue that extange.

And you should visit Revleft more often! I know debates on this website are basically contentless mud slinging contests, but it's fun to sling mud! Besides, at least we don't have that starry eyed, "anti-dogmatic", anything-goes attitude that Kasama has.

Sure. Send it to editors at thenorthstar.info.