A question for all you USA lovers

[Hiero]

Answer me this. Why do you think that so many countries hate the U.S.A. so much that they would sacrifice there lives for its destruction.

[Maynard]

They hate Freedom !! They are lazy Communist assholes !!! They are jealous of everything we have !! That should about cover the answers.
Despite the fact that the reality is much different, to say everyone hates the US because of jealously is plain foolishness and simple minded. Foriegn policy is the major factor, as I don't think those who "hate" the United States in Europe are any worse off than most in the United States and are just as "free".

[SDSJap]

the same reason many poor people would love to see gates, or trump, fall, the guy on top is always hated because he is where everyone else wants to be, think king of the mountain

and theyre taught that were responsible for their short comings, not the fact that their societies are completly backward in tersm of acceptance of change and change is what is required to get to where the US is, most ME countries were cesspools long before the US even came into existance

I don't think those who "hate" the United States in Europe are any worse off than most in the United States and are just as "free".

and our just as easily lead into brainwashing as those in ME, they want so badly to see their competition fall they will beleive everything we do is wrong and overlook their own problems

the US supporting Iraq in the 80s was wrong, the US giving saddam weapons was wrong

were simply correcting our mistakes

france supporting Iraq in the 80s was wrong, france giving Iraq nuclear technology was wrong

theyre simply over-looking what they did and bashing us for fixing it

russia supporting Iraq in the 80s was wrong, russia selling iraq weapons far into the 90s was wrong

theyre mad cause we took away a major trading partner and a HUGE oil contract

[LSD]

If only it were that simple. But the simple fact is that while you may be jealous of those with more, and indeed many in the United States are quite jealous of Mr. Gates, how many have tried to blow him up?

Clearly there is more going on than simple jealousy.

The British live practically as well as the average American, but no one has tried to crash a plane in Westminister, neither has anyone attacked France or Canada or Germany.

As difficult as it may be to accept the United States government has a clear and definite record of interfering with foreign governments, overthrowing democratically elected leaders, and imposing an economic structure across the world.

[Bolshevika]

I think the reason everyone wants the Americans destroyed is their arrogance.

Everytime someone attacks them they show their blatant arrogance: "Ohh, well, the reason they hate us is because we're special and because we're richer than them" , they seem to think that all those invasions, bombings, and military coups have nothing to do with it.

[A Pict]

Answer me this. Why do you think that so many countries hate the U.S.A. so much that they would sacrifice there lives for its destruction.


I see. And the most popular kids at your school therefore are also the most moral, and the best.


Argumentum ad numerum.

[Loknar]

Nobody likes the big guy.

[LSD]

I see. And the most popular kids at your school therefore are also the most moral, and the best.


No, but no one is talking about morality. The question was why the United States is so hated.

The fact that so many hate it does not neccessarily indicate that they are correct, but it certainly raises the question why?

The answer to that question is what has already been suggested; its interference in the affairs of the rest of the world.


Argumentum ad numerum.

Hardly.

[John Galt]

The same question could be asked in the 1500s CE.

Why do so many people hate blacks?

In 900 AUD

Why does everyone hate carthage?

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 12:05 PM
They hate Freedom !! They are jealous of everything we have !!
So your theory is that the hate freedom so the attack you yet the are jealous of what you have which is freedom so the attack. It also makes me me wonder if the majority of the world hate you because they are so jealous of what you have got then why dont i see people burning New Zealand's flag or Australias(before john howard sucked up to bush). So in reality its obviously not jealous os think harder. And saying that they hate freedom is really childish.

[Pete]

Argumentum ad numerum.

Still too good for english I see.

Whatever that means, it does not matter since the question you posted was not making an arguement, but asking a question.

Idiot trying to show off and fail. If I knew latin, I'd put that in it for you.


CN, read the rest of his post, the part you quoted is sarcasm.

[Comrade of Cuba]

People don't hate the USA because they are jealous because you think that the americans have freedom. They hate the US becauese the US takes away the freedom of inhabitants of other countries like Iraq or Afghanistan or with the embargo against cuba, they take away some of the freedom of the Cubans. And I hope that the only reason that the average income of an Us inhabitant is so high, is because of people like Bill Gates, The Bush family, Steve Jobes,.. But median of the income of an US inhabitant is much lower then most European countries, which even have bettersocial security. And a lot of European countries are against the US (belgium, France, Germany). But they have nothing to be jealous about. In my opinion they are even wealthyer then the USA. Its only because the USa has some super rich people. The average income is higher.

[LSD]

A lot of posters in this thread seem to be ignoring the fact that neonate asked a question:

Why do you think that so many countries hate the U.S.A. so much that they would sacrifice there lives for its destruction?


It isn't an argument it's a question.

Responding with more questions,

The same question could be asked in the 1500s CE.

Why do so many people hate blacks?

In 900 AUD

Why does everyone hate carthage?

I see. And the most popular kids at your school therefore are also the most moral, and the best.

Responding with assertations,

Nobody likes the big guy.

and Responding with latin

Argumentum ad numerum.

is not helpfull.


The answer that the rest of the world is jealous of the United States has been successfully disproven now by several people.

The answer that the world is angry at American intervention has not been disproven by anyone

so it stands.

[Maynard]

So your theory is that the hate freedom so the attack you yet the are jealous of what you have which is freedom so the attack. It also makes me me wonder if the majority of the world hate you because they are so jealous of what you have got then why dont i see people burning New Zealand's flag or Australias(before john howard sucked up to bush). So in reality its obviously not jealous os think harder. And saying that they hate freedom is really childish.

I am offended you would actually think that I thought like that :)
I am Australian and that was sarcasm, of what you could expect from the "patriots", no matter if it makes sense or not.
Of course, these answers are peddled out by government officials so that the "average American Joe" will still think of the United States as upholders of freedom and liberty. Critical thinking is not encouraged in modern day society and why these answers are repeated endlessly.
Obviously the Americans bear the "grunt" because they are the leaders in foreign interventions, while most other countries turn a blind eye or encourage it.
Hating freedom is a term I despise, which is often used by those on the right to attack anyone who doesn't agree with them. I don't think anyone "hates" freedom, the definition of "freedom" however varies from person to person.

[Misodoctakleidist]

The same question could be asked in the 1500s CE.

Why do so many people hate blacks?

Like who?


In 900 AUD

Why does everyone hate carthage?

It was only the romans who hates carthage, most people hated the romans.

What's your point?

[John Galt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 02:46 PM

The same question could be asked in the 1500s CE.

Why do so many people hate blacks?

Like who?
Like everyone who enslaved them and treated them like animals.





In 900 AUD

Why does everyone hate carthage?

It was only the romans who hates carthage, most people hated the romans.

What's your point?
Most people were romans. And assuming you are true. Why did people hate the romans?

[Misodoctakleidist]

Like everyone who enslaved them and treated them like animals.

I don't this is because they hated them but because they saw an oppertunity for profit, anyway not everyone was a slave master, infact it was a very small number of people. Anyway, howdoes this relate to the USA?


Most people were romans. And assuming you are true. Why did people hate the romans?

I doubt that most people in the world were born in rome. People hated the romans because the romans invaded their countries and made them part of the empire although i'm sure sure you'll claim it was because they were jealous of the romans' wealth and freedom.

[LSD]

John Galt:

You're clearly missing the point.

The question is why are Americans hated today

The fact that historically, people have been unjustly hated is irrelevent.

Throughout human existence, some have been hated justly, others have been hated unjustly.

You have in no way shown that the hatred towards the United States falls in the later category.

[John Galt]

YOU are making the assertation that we are justly hated. The burden of proof falls on you to prove that that is the case, not me.



Like everyone who enslaved them and treated them like animals.

I don't this is because they hated them but because they saw an oppertunity for profit, anyway not everyone was a slave master, infact it was a very small number of people. Anyway, howdoes this relate to the USA?

Most people had a household slave. Im showing that people hate for no reason at all. Hitler hated the jews- why? The hutus hated the tutuis-why? There is no reason



Most people were romans. And assuming you are true. Why did people hate the romans?

I doubt that most people in the world were born in rome. People hated the romans because the romans invaded their countries and made them part of the empire although i'm sure sure you'll claim it was because they were jealous of the romans' wealth and freedom.

That huge map you see of rome conquereing all of Europe is mostly a lie. They ruled all of that, but those were mostly allied states. Rome gave them protection and partial citizenship in exchange for gold, soldiers and protection.

[LSD]

YOU are making the assertation that we are justly hated. The burden of proof falls on you to prove that that is the case, not me.


Neonate asked a question, several concievable answers have been given, including yours.

None of these answers are intrinsically any better than the others.

Untill evidence is given, they are all assertations.

The difference, however, is that while some justification had been provided for the notion that American interference and intervention has incited resentment and anger, none has been provided for the notion that American wealth and/or liberty has sparked jealousy in the rest of the world.

[LSD]

Most people had a household slave. Im showing that people hate for no reason at all. Hitler hated the jews- why? The hutus hated the tutuis-why? There is no reason


Again, that is wholly irrelevent.

It was unjustified for the masters to hate their slaves, but it was justified for the slaves to hate their masters.

Both types of hatred have existed throughout history, the question is which type applies here.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 11 2004, 04:45 PM


Most people had a household slave. Im showing that people hate for no reason at all. Hitler hated the jews- why? The hutus hated the tutuis-why? There is no reason


Again, that is wholly irrelevent.

It was unjustified for the masters to hate their slaves, but it was justified for the slaves to hate their masters.

Both types of hatred have existed throughout history, the question is which type applies here.
Go ahead and prove that their hate towards the US is justified then

[LSD]

Go ahead and prove that their hate towards the US is justified then

I can't prove someone else's motivations any more than you can.

However, I can show that one hypothesis is more likely than another.

In this case, the fact that resentment against the United States does not extend to other, equally well-off, nations, in addition to the fact that the United States has a long and brutal history of a foreign policy which has directly harmed millions of people, suggests that it is far more likely that the world's anger against the United States and her citizens stems from this policy, rather than from anger over its material wealth.

Prove me wrong.

[Misodoctakleidist]

In Britain there is much less poverty and much more freedom than in the USA yet Britain doesn't suffer from the same kind of hatred as America does so clearly there are other factors involved than just jealousy.

[Pete]

That's because you brits are across the ocean, if you were closer to Canada we'd ***** about you a lot more, I'm sure!

[A Pict]

I thought i killed this thread last night.

Even if the rest of the world hated us, it doesn't make a difference, and it doesn't prove anything beyond-the rest of the world hates us.

[HankMorgan]

So, are you still beating your wife?

How does one answer a question that contains a false assumption?

To me the assholes of the world are equal opportunity assholes who blow up night clubs and mosques all over the world, from Indonesia to Istanbul. The non-humans who flew the jets into the World Trade Center made a mistake waking the US. Now we're going to straighten the world out.

For every person willing to give their life to attack the US, I'll show you fifty people drowning on an inner tube floating to Florida or suffcating in a sealed container while being smuggled into the US. The US isn't hated by the world. No just the opposite. Your question contains a false assumption.

If it comforts you to believe the USA is hated by the world, go ahead, I can't control that. But watch as history marches past you.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by Lysergic Acid [email protected] 11 2004, 04:58 PM

Go ahead and prove that their hate towards the US is justified then

I can't prove someone else's motivations any more than you can.

However, I can show that one hypothesis is more likely than another.

In this case, the fact that resentment against the United States does not extend to other, equally well-off, nations, in addition to the fact that the United States has a long and brutal history of a foreign policy which has directly harmed millions of people, suggests that it is far more likely that the world's anger against the United States and her citizens stems from this policy, rather than from anger over its material wealth.

Prove me wrong.
The US has helped many more millions than it has harmed. Defeating the axis in WWII saved all of Europe and Asia at least.

[Vinny Rafarino]

The US has helped many more millions than it has harmed. Defeating the axis in WWII saved all of Europe and Asia at least.


:lol:
Funny...I always thought it was the Soviets that captured Berlin.......Oh....Yeah....I forget...The USA tries not to mention that part....They also forget to mention that the USSR would have defeated the Nazi's regardless if the west entered the war or not.

So smug these yanquis are.

[Saint-Just]

In addition, the Chinese and Koreans resisted the Japanese.

[Commie Girl]

:P The reason that the rest of the world hates the U$, excluding Tony Blair and John Howard, is because the U$ believes it is there right to impose there will on others through political assasinations, mock wars and general stupidity. They seem to believe that military might makes a great country! That is simply amusing.

[John Galt]

Originally posted by COMRADE [email protected] 11 2004, 10:12 PM

The US has helped many more millions than it has harmed. Defeating the axis in WWII saved all of Europe and Asia at least.


:lol:
Funny...I always thought it was the Soviets that captured Berlin.......Oh....Yeah....I forget...The USA tries not to mention that part....They also forget to mention that the USSR would have defeated the Nazi's regardless if the west entered the war or not.

So smug these yanquis are.
Funny....I always thought that the US gave the allies huge amounts of weaponry with the lend-lease act.

Lets not forget Russia begging for a western front to be opened.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by John Galt+Jan 11 2004, 10:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (John Galt @ Jan 11 2004, 10:49 PM)
COMRADE [email protected] 11 2004, 10:12 PM

The US has helped many more millions than it has harmed. Defeating the axis in WWII saved all of Europe and Asia at least.


:lol:
Funny...I always thought it was the Soviets that captured Berlin.......Oh....Yeah....I forget...The USA tries not to mention that part....They also forget to mention that the USSR would have defeated the Nazi&#39;s regardless if the west entered the war or not.

So smug these yanquis are.
Funny....I always thought that the US gave the allies huge amounts of weaponry with the lend-lease act.

Lets not forget Russia begging for a western front to be opened. [/b]
funny...i always thought america sold weapons to the nazi&#39;s and oil to the italians

I seem to remember the US didn&#39;t open the western front untill russia was marching on berlin

[Vinny Rafarino]

Funny....I always thought that the US gave the allies huge amounts of weaponry with the lend-lease act.



You are actually using this (http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq59-23.htm) as evidence to support your egotistical and fallacious claim? Perhaps you should try some of this (http://www.cochrane.org/cochrane/revabstr/ab000059.htm) for your little "problem".



Lets not forget Russia begging for a western front to be opened.


:lol:

[John Galt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:02 PM
funny...i always thought america sold weapons to the nazi&#39;s and oil to the italians

I seem to remember the US didn&#39;t open the western front untill russia was marching on berlin
Of course. We always sell weapons and oil to counties we are at war with. It would be dishonorable to do otherwise.


Of course, nobody bashes countries like switzerland, that stay neutral, do they?

[Pete]

I think that is because they stay neutral and keep their mouths shut, not causing problems, or vocally causing problems, and putting up flares saying "Look at me Look at me&#33;&#33;"


I thought i killed this thread last night.

With your latin? Nah, you just made yourself look like an idiot.


Even if the rest of the world hated us, it doesn&#39;t make a difference, and it doesn&#39;t prove anything beyond-the rest of the world hates us.

But the question is why not does.

[Germanator]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 10 2004, 11:34 AM
Answer me this. Why do you think that so many countries hate the U.S.A. so much that they would sacrifice there lives for its destruction.
Perhaps you could have worded your question a tad differently. I love the USA, but I hate its government. The basic premises for which it stands for are admirable, but I am not at all proud of the government&#39;s inability to stick to these premises. In fact, it sounds as if you are asking this question out of pure prejudice against America. Tony Blair is tossing the UK into the same mode of operation, but I never hear anyone asking questions to "all the UK lovers". Logically, if I am to assume responsibility for Bush&#39;s actions, then the citizens of the UK are equally responsible for what their Prime Minister is doing, if not moreso due to their ability to remove him from office through a vote of No Confidence.