Drug dealer the worst type of cappies

[Hiero]

Drug dealers are they a just as bad as most capitalist, big time deallers im talking about. There workers have no rights(since the trade is illegal), the trade leads to violence, corruption of hte state officials and police, the product sold is destructive economically and social and mentally and uses addiction to gain a capital, etc,. Also this is true for small time dealers only on lesser scale. I believe that if a communist country was created then to overcome come of these problems would be to make the less dangerous drugs legal but illegal to be sold as a commodity so it doesnt end up becoming a huge problem with the multitude and becomes more of a cutural thing. I would like to here some of you thoughts on a drug dealing.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

I believe the sale of anything to be immoral. Drugs are no worse.

[redstar2000]

You would seem to have had a bad drug experience recently.

My condolences.

But, if you can "step back" for a moment, I think you'll find that almost all if not all of the "bad social effects" of illegal drugs are due to their criminalization...and not to the chemical substances themselves.

If all the "illegal" drugs were as common and readily available as aspirin--and no one made a "big deal" about the chemical choices of others--would this issue not be ultimately a trivial one?

No, you should never use any drug in a fashion that will endanger others...that's obvious.

But otherwise?

Who cares?

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[LSD]

I believe that if a communist country was created then to overcome come of these problems would be to make the less dangerous drugs legal but illegal to be sold as a commodity so it doesnt end up becoming a huge problem with the multitude and becomes more of a cutural thing.


Allthough I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "a cultural thing", in a communist society nothing would be sold, regardless of what it is.

As to making drugs illegal,
Personally I find it worrying when we start to categorizing what qualifies as "dangerous" and not in regards to peoples actions upon themselves. In a communist society we would have to trust people to do with themselves as they will, so long as they don't harm others in the process. Doesn't telling people what they can and cannot use, especially if it comes from nature, just maintain bourgois conceptions of private property, ownership, and control?

Furthermore, I'm not sure how you would enforce such a regulation. Would you maintain today's practices of random searches and raids? That doesn't exactly sound very liberated!

[RED CHARO]

Drug dealing destroys society, I agree!..............

[truthaddict11]

most drug dealers are homeless or unemployed and have to sell drugs just to get by...

[Hegemonicretribution]

Aren't they just fighting the power, I say yes drug dealers are the worst, but it is the pharmesutical companies that are. Drug dealers at least follow an ideology, even if it is capialism. They sell at market price, and ignore all restrictions, where as legal drugs have extortionate fixed prices etc..

Drug dealers provide a service, a product that is not as harmful as television. For me communism is an economic base, a platform to social freedom...although I have just aout finished with those phases that most youths go through, I wouldn't like to deny anyone the freedoms of experiencing somethiong different and making their own mind up about it. It is like Renton put it in trainspotting, they (the government) won't allow you to to drugs. If you are right minded, intelligent and have everything going for you but still want to drugs they can't let you as it is a sign of all their propaganda failing.

[Jesus Christ]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 12:08 PM
Aren't they just fighting the power, I say yes drug dealers are the worst, but it is the pharmesutical companies that are. Drug dealers at least follow an ideology, even if it is capialism. They sell at market price, and ignore all restrictions, where as legal drugs have extortionate fixed prices etc..

Drug dealers provide a service, a product that is not as harmful as television. For me communism is an economic base, a platform to social freedom...although I have just aout finished with those phases that most youths go through, For me communism is an economic base, a platform to social freedom..

Aren't they just fighting the power, I say yes drug dealers are the worst, but it is the pharmesutical companies that are.

At least you can get something beneficial out of pharmaceutical.


Drug dealers at least follow an ideology, even if it is capialism. They sell at market price, and ignore all restrictions, where as legal drugs have extortionate fixed prices etc..

I don't agree that anyone should have to pay for any type of legal drug, but once again, at least they have benefits.


Drug dealers provide a service, a product that is not as harmful as television.

I beg to differ, television is not a propaganda packed as everyone thinks, its just full of stupidity due to the programs that air.


For me communism is an economic base, a platform to social freedom..

100% agree.


I wouldn't like to deny anyone the freedoms of experiencing somethiong different and making their own mind up about it. It is like Renton put it in trainspotting, they (the government) won't allow you to to drugs. If you are right minded, intelligent and have everything going for you but still want to drugs they can't let you as it is a sign of all their propaganda failing.

Illegal drugs aren't illegal because it is some huge propaganda campaign, they are illegal because they kill, a lot. And after watching Trainspotting, it makes more sense to take that movie as a message NOT to do drugs.

[Hegemonicretribution]

Pharmecutical companies..I will insert a link to a post where I express my feelings AND back them up when I find one.

Television: I never said it was Propoganda, although some is...however it is rubbish generally. It is the biggest time waster ever developed...many children spend 4 or more hours a day watching it instead of exercising or learning. Serious health problems can arise from that, the ideals promoted through it and the products promoted through it. It is more widespread than drugs. I conclude it reduces the health (at least in the west) of countries more than drugs.

Drugs kill...a LOT? No lack of education does. Most drugs in themselves are not awfully dangerous. When used safely they are not seriously damaging...if you have serious heart problems you don't sprint, go on crazy rollercoasters or drink 4 gallons of coffee..if you are mentally unstable don't take psycho-active drugs simple as that. Actually if you talk to people that work in hospitals..I have considerable links with many people that do, you will hear that many overdoses of illegal drugs are stoppable, however mixed with alcohol it is very risky. That is the biggest killer, a lethal dose and readily available..cannabis and LSD do not really have lethal doses. Think anything different and you have been taken in by the propoganda, or are not looking at facts....many deaths are related to the trade that results from them being illegal.

I still think that if people could prove themselves in a right mind to choose drugs..then they should be allowed. At least unadictive drugs.. are the government scared of choice or failure?

[Individual]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:58 PM
most drug dealers are homeless or unemployed and have to sell drugs just to get by...
WTF? lol I dont know where you are getting your drugs, but from the wrong crowd. How would homeless people be able to afford the drugs to sell in the first place..? And to redstar, I agree that the majority of drug related problems come from the criminalization. However drugs have, do, and will continue to bring adverse mental effects. And no, not the recreation of smoking cannabis. However have you experienced cocaine addiction for example? This intoxant is very pleasurable, but has very adverse come down and withdrawl effects.. Yes this drug is physically addicting, however I know that the mental addiction is far worse. My point being that even if drugs were decriminalized and freely distributed. This would not get rid of all, most but not all, of the ill effects of criminalized consumption of narcotics. However I am not discouraging mind opening/altering experiences

[Hampton]

WTF? lol I dont know where you are getting your drugs, but from the wrong crowd. How would homeless people be able to afford the drugs to sell in the first place..?

Find another dealer and get him to teach you how to do it, he might give you some of his and when you give him the money from your sales he'll give you a cut, it's not that hard. I would guess that the small time dealers out number the Pablo Escobars of the world and most are victims of their surroundings trying to get by without realizing that what they're doing might be destroying the community in which they live.

[Hitman47]

I would like to mention of a drug dealer who was caught in the early 90s in Colombia

Escobar ;)


all the money he got from the drug dealing business gave to the poor people in colombia and built them homes.


Is that correct <_<

[Umoja]

Drug dealers come from all over the social strata. I know drug dealers in my community, and it&#39;s upper middle class. Drug dealers fill a role in most areas. It doesn&#39;t depend as much on class but more on laws, and the willingness people have to break them. At the same time, certain drugs are far worse then others. People who sell crack and heroin are easily the scum of the earth. I can feel slightly more sympathy for Marijuana and Cocaine dealers, because they aren&#39;t selling pure poison to people... but still, it&#39;s capitalist garbage.

[Individual]

so its ok to sell cocaine, but not sell crack.... What is crack made from? And cocaine isn&#39;t poison. Trust me, cocaine leads up to destruction.. Maybe not with recreation use, but it will lead to more. So how is cocaine ok, not crack? Their effects/withdrawls are very similar

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 01:47 PM
I still think that if people could prove themselves in a right mind to choose drugs..then they should be allowed. At least unadictive drugs.. are the government scared of choice or failure?
I say that if a person chooses drugs, that shows that they are not in a "right mind". Even unaddictive drugs like alchohol and cigarettes I feel should be banned. They are just a monster created by capitalism. If you don&#39;t smoke or drink like the man in the box, then you aren&#39;t "cool".

[Hegemonicretribution]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 07:48 PM

I say that if a person chooses drugs, that shows that they are not in a "right mind". Even unaddictive drugs like alchohol and cigarettes I feel should be banned. They are just a monster created by capitalism. If you don&#39;t smoke or drink like the man in the box, then you aren&#39;t "cool".
So because they are of a different mindset they are crazy? I like blue and if you don&#39;t then you should be locked away..p.s. red is now illegal? :blink: Fuck that

In that case anything that portrays itself as cool should equally be banned, as it implies you aren&#39;t if you aren&#39;t the same..of course there will be cases where coolness is a ciontradiction. I say if you feel uncool because you aren&#39;t copying the box then it is you that is not of sound mind.

Just a last point, as many drug users are seen as wasters, and not cool, should not feel bad for putting the same pressure on them as the adverts do on you?

[truthaddict11]

i just have to laugh at Midnightmauraders post, alcohol and tobacco have existed centuries before the creation of capitalism. just ask Red Celtic i believe he is taking Anthropology courses. And you have heard of the Prohibition Period right? Banning drugs actually increases their use and deaths while using them and crime goes up.

[Anarchist Freedom]

yes drug dealers are the worst type of cappies sadly i kinda am one .8&#39;( :( :( :(




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[Individual]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 24 2004, 05:00 PM
yes drug dealers are the worst type of cappies sadly i kinda am one .8&#39;( :( :( :(





How do you &#39;kinda&#39; sell drugs. You either sell them, or you don&#39;t. There is no kind of. That is like saying "I &#39;kinda&#39; kill people, you know, on the weekends n stuff". You don&#39;t have to be selling like Tony Montoya, you are still selling the drugs.

[Zanzibar]

Some people have to sell drugs in order to survive. This is not there fault, rather the fault of the capitalists. You can&#39;t cry foul at the symptons of a problem. You must cure the disease. If you couldn&#39;t follow that analogy, we must end capitalism to end these problems.

As for drug dealers in general, anyone who damages the capitalist system is allright by me. And I, personaly, know how it is to fall into that.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:58 PM
most drug dealers are homeless or unemployed and have to sell drugs just to get by...
And how do you work that out?

The majority of dealers I have had the misfortune to meet have more expensive trainers alone than all the cloathing have on put together. I see them driving good cars, wear expensive gear etc. And you expect me to belive that most of them are homless? Well sorry to disapoint you most I have met are the complete oppersite.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 11:39 AM
I believe the sale of anything to be immoral. Drugs are no worse.
I AGREE.

[Floyd.]

Drug dealers are anti-fascism at least because they give you something that the govenment denies you. The bad dealers are those that supply people with addictions not habits, and those who supply them not out of pity for sickness but want for money.

[LSD]

The bad dealers are those that supply people with addictions not habits, and those who supply them not out of pity for sickness but want for money.

Unfortunately that describes most drug dealers.
But it also describes most capitalists.

The system itself is sick, drug-dealers are just selling something people want, supply and demand, right?
The Laws of Capitalism dictate that drug-dealers are perfect little capitalists.
Good for them.

So no, I wouldn&#39;t go so far as to call them "anti-fascism" any more than a murderer is "anti-fascism" even though they both do something "that the government denies you".

Selling drugs is wrong because selling is wrong.
Drugs are just another product.
No better, no worse.