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[LeftandProud]

Hey everyone I finally got the nerve to join the site I am a Democratic Socalist I am in High school so not to many people know there political views. However I know I am Left. I always knew I was but never wanted to admit it. Thanks guys I hope to meet more people that are like me and more left even. I'm glad i'm here Thanks

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Could you specify 'democratic socialist' a bit? It's rather vague. Or is that itself an expression that you want to clear up your ideas?

[blake 3:17]

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[LeftandProud]

Hey yes by Democratic Socalist I mean I think that people should be able to make economic choices moderatly but the rich must stay out of politics they and there greedy profit driven ways should not be able to rule the political arena. I also think the workers should have alot more say in the politics.

[Point Blank]

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[Anglo-Saxon Philistine]

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Hey yes by Democratic Socalist I mean I think that people should be able to make economic choices moderatly but the rich must stay out of politics they and there greedy profit driven ways should not be able to rule the political arena. I also think the workers should have alot more say in the politics.

That is not how the term "socialism" is usually understood, though. I do not see how this sort of "democratic socialism" differs from ordoliberalism or social democracy, both capitalist ideologies. I hope this does not come off as hostile, but I hope you will reconsider and correct your views.

First of all, what does it mean to make economic choices "moderately"? I guess that you think capitalism somehow provides "choice" and that communists are against choices? But nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the present system, the bourgeois dictatorship, sharply limits the choices of its members, both through economic coercion - workers who are compelled to sell their labour power find their choices to be constrained at best - and through the special oppression of national minorities, women etc. Furthermore, communists are in general against the moralistic interference of the bourgeois state in the private lives of its citizens, including the kinds of sex they have, the substances they ingest and so on.

Second, you want to exclude the rich from the political process. But this presupposes that the rich still exist - why would the workers support the continuation of the system that robs, exploits and murders them? If they have the political power, why would they allow the bourgeoisie to extract profits from their labour? Second, the characteristics of the present society are not the result of the allegedly corrupting influence of individual capitalists, but of the material basis of society. The rich have been excluded from serious political participation, along with every other stratum of society, in a number of states, the early Third Empire in France for example, yet the character of the state remained the same.

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That is not how the term "socialism" is usually understood, though. I do not see how this sort of "democratic socialism" differs from ordoliberalism or social democracy, both capitalist ideologies. I hope this does not come off as hostile, but I hope you will reconsider and correct your views.

First of all, what does it mean to make economic choices "moderately"? I guess that you think capitalism somehow provides "choice" and that communists are against choices? But nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the present system, the bourgeois dictatorship, sharply limits the choices of its members, both through economic coercion - workers who are compelled to sell their labour power find their choices to be constrained at best - and through the special oppression of national minorities, women etc. Furthermore, communists are in general against the moralistic interference of the bourgeois state in the private lives of its citizens, including the kinds of sex they have, the substances they ingest and so on.

Second, you want to exclude the rich from the political process. But this presupposes that the rich still exist - why would the workers support the continuation of the system that robs, exploits and murders them? If they have the political power, why would they allow the bourgeoisie to extract profits from their labour? Second, the characteristics of the present society are not the result of the allegedly corrupting influence of individual capitalists, but of the material basis of society. The rich have been excluded from serious political participation, along with every other stratum of society, in a number of states, the early Third Empire in France for example, yet the character of the state remained the same.

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Welcome LeftandProud! Keep reading and discovering, by the sound of what you're saying, you might be more left than you might imagine.