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Dennis the 'Bloody Peasant'
13th June 2013, 11:20
I'd never heard of this before, quite interesting article.

Seventy-five years ago in Fascist Italy, a group of gay men were labelled "degenerate", expelled from their homes and interned on an island. They were held under a prison regime - but some found life in the country's first openly gay community a liberating experience.
Every summer, tourists are drawn to the beauty of a tiny string of rocky islands in the Adriatic.
But just recently a group of visitors came to the Tremiti archipelago not so much to enjoy the peace and calm of this remote place as to remember.
These were gay, lesbian and transgender rights activists.
They had come to hold a small ceremony during which they would mark a shameful episode that unfolded in the islands more than 60 years ago.
Back in the late 1930s the archipelago played a part in the effort by Benito Mussolini's Fascists to suppress homosexuality.
Gay men undermined the image that the dictator wanted to project of Italian manhood.
"Fascism is a virile regime. So the Italians are strong, masculine, and it's impossible that homosexuality can exist in a Fascist regime," says professor of history at the University of Bergamo, Lorenzo Benadusi.
So the strategy was to cover up the issue as much as possible.
No discriminatory laws were passed. But a climate was created in which open manifestations of homosexuality could be vigorously suppressed.
And one particular police prefect in the Sicilian city of Catania took full advantage of the official mood.
"We notice that many public dances, beaches and places in the mountains receive many of these sick men, and that youngsters from all social classes look for their company," he wrote.
He said he was determined to halt this "spreading of degeneration" in his city "or at least contain such a sexual aberration that offends morality and that is disastrous to public health and the improvement of the race".
He went on: "This evil needs to be attacked and burned at its core."
So in 1938 around 45 men believed to be homosexuals in Catania were rounded up and consigned to internal exile.
They eventually found themselves about 600km away on the island of San Domino, in the Tremitis.
The whole episode has been largely forgotten.
It's thought that nobody who endured this punishment is still alive today, and there are few detailed accounts of what went on there.
But in their book, The Island and the City, researchers Gianfranco Goretti and Tommaso Giartosi talk of dozens of men, most but not all from Catania, enduring harsh conditions on San Domino.
They would arrive handcuffed, and then be housed in large, spartan dormitories with no electricity or running water.

(Full article - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22856586))

Jess Franco
13th August 2013, 15:51
Interesting. It's strange how fascist regimes reacted to homosexuality when many of fascism's leading lights were themselves, gay.

Teacher
13th August 2013, 19:14
Yeah wasn't there a big gay subculture in the Nazi SS?

The pizza crazed Anarchist
13th August 2013, 20:50
Yeah wasn't there a big gay subculture in the Nazi SS?

That was more of the SA (the Brownshirts) not the SS. As Heinrich Himmler was veritably homophobic and had said "We must exterminate these people root and branch... the homosexual must be eliminated." While the leader of the SA Ernst Röhm was a homosexual. Homosexually with in the SA for the most part was tolerated until the Night of the Long Knives.

Brandon's Impotent Rage
13th August 2013, 20:54
That was always one of the biggest ironies of history: That the most reactionary and totalitarian of ideologies attracted one of the most persecuted groups of people to its ranks.

It's also one of the reasons why there was a heavy backlash against homosexuals within the socialist/communist movement.

Sea
13th August 2013, 21:30
That was always one of the biggest ironies of history: That the most reactionary and totalitarian of ideologies attracted one of the most persecuted groups of people to its ranks.

It's also one of the reasons why there was a heavy backlash against homosexuals within the socialist/communist movement.How does that same process that attracts victimized minorities to reaction (huh?) work to make radical leftists reactionary?

I'm not sure I understand. :rolleyes:

Richard Roth
13th August 2013, 23:24
That was always one of the biggest ironies of history: That the most reactionary and totalitarian of ideologies attracted one of the most persecuted groups of people to its ranks.

It's also one of the reasons why there was a heavy backlash against homosexuals within the socialist/communist movement.

It is true that many devoted nationalists throughout history have been homosexuals.

Similarly many of the most dogmatic neo-liberals have been homosexuals such as Peter Mandelson, Ken Clarke, David Laws (Lib Dem minister.)

Many homosexuals support the monarchy too. For example people most excited about the royal baby recently have been women and homosexuals.

I would say homosexuals are not necessarily more likely to be Communists than straight people. In fact, the obsession with things "camp" such as uniforms, old fashioned things, interior design and clothes makes them more prone to supporting reactionaries, similar to the way women are often more consumerist than men.

The idea that Communism should be some exotic, elitist hippy thing geared exclusively towards women and homosexuals is totally outdated and counter productive. 1997 was a new beginning (of centrism) just like 1979 and 1945 were, and its very much their world (homosexuals and women) we are living in now and as someone concerned with injustice and inequality I am much more interested in the bog average (most likely straight) working class labourer than women and homosexuals.

ed miliband
13th August 2013, 23:28
what the fuck?

Anglo-Saxon Philistine
13th August 2013, 23:31
It is true that many devoted nationalists throughout history have been homosexuals.

Similarly many of the most dogmatic neo-liberals have been homosexuals such as Peter Mandelson, Ken Clarke, David Laws (Lib Dem minister.)

Many homosexuals support the monarchy too. For example people most excited about the royal baby recently have been women and homosexuals.

I would say homosexuals are not necessarily more likely to be Communists than straight people. In fact, the obsession with things "camp" such as uniforms, old fashioned things, interior design and clothes makes them more prone to supporting reactionaries, similar to the way women are often more consumerist than men.

The idea that Communism should be some exotic, elitist hippy thing geared exclusively towards women and homosexuals is totally outdated and counter productive. 1997 was a new beginning (of centrism) just like 1979 and 1945 were, and its very much their world (homosexuals and women) we are living in now and as someone concerned with injustice and inequality I am much more interested in the bog average (most likely straight) working class labourer than women and homosexuals.

You're not concerned with injustice and inequality, you're an abhorrent religious fascist. Go away, Graffic.

Flying Purple People Eater
13th August 2013, 23:39
'Obsession with interior design" :laugh:

Comrade Jacob
14th August 2013, 00:27
That backfired on them didn't it? :laugh:

Sasha
14th August 2013, 00:38
It is true that many devoted nationalists throughout history have been homosexuals.

Similarly many of the most dogmatic neo-liberals have been homosexuals such as Peter Mandelson, Ken Clarke, David Laws (Lib Dem minister.)

Many homosexuals support the monarchy too. For example people most excited about the royal baby recently have been women and homosexuals.

I would say homosexuals are not necessarily more likely to be Communists than straight people. In fact, the obsession with things "camp" such as uniforms, old fashioned things, interior design and clothes makes them more prone to supporting reactionaries, similar to the way women are often more consumerist than men.

The idea that Communism should be some exotic, elitist hippy thing geared exclusively towards women and homosexuals is totally outdated and counter productive. 1997 was a new beginning (of centrism) just like 1979 and 1945 were, and its very much their world (homosexuals and women) we are living in now and as someone concerned with injustice and inequality I am much more interested in the bog average (most likely straight) working class labourer than women and homosexuals.


Bye..... *fires bancannon*

Sea
14th August 2013, 00:47
'Obsession with interior design" :laugh:I hanged a phallic object up in my living room once. Did I does good? :lol:

RedBen
14th August 2013, 01:29
in all honesty that island had to be where it was at. an island of homosexuals or a bunch of uptight fascists. i bet it was infinitely better.

Paul Pott
14th August 2013, 02:06
I read the title to mean that a group from fuerza nova had founded a gay fascist colony today...

Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist
15th August 2013, 03:54
I read the title to mean that a group from fuerza nova had founded a gay fascist colony today...

That would be absolutely fa-bolus