homosexuality

[Anarchist Freedom]

i know there is another thread but this is for the people in OI.


do you support gay marriage??

or even gay people for that matter??


i do 100%

and im straight.


CGLM

:che:

[Stalinator]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 10 2004, 12:33 AM
and im straight.
Incorrect.

[Anarchist Freedom]

lets get these facts then shall we??



prove to me that im gay.


when you can thanx alot

au reviour

:che:

[Deniz Gezmis]

If they want.

[lucid]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 10 2004, 12:36 AM
lets get these facts then shall we??



prove to me that im gay.


when you can thanx alot

au reviour

:che:
He is a kiddie keyboard commie. It's obvious he is confused and doesn't know what he is.

[Anarchist Freedom]

i dont Know?


im a secure sexual being.


also just because i support gay rights doesnt mean im gay ask many members of this board and they will agree with me about homosexuality.

why am i keyboard commie??

because i post alot on these forums?

or is it maybe because its 2 fuckin cold to do shit here?

well im going to say because its fuckin balls cold here.



Civilian
Guerrilla
Liberation
Movement
!


:che:

[lucid]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 10 2004, 12:43 AM
also just because i support gay rights doesnt mean im gay ask many members of this board and they will agree with me about homosexuality.

why am i keyboard commie??


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Members of this board are delusional. They can't apply logic to the real world so I doubt they could to sexuality.

I called you a keyboard commie because your nothing but a kid and should be doing kid stuff. Not reading this poison and acting like you know how the world works. This is not reality. Massive amounts of people have died trying to create utopian states.

[Stalinator]

But back to the question at hand...

What would you all think if I told you that not only do I enjoy tossing a salad now and then (Rock is wrong...HONEY is the way to go) but I also enjoy eating my own feces. Sometimes when I really have a craving, I will enter into the local Borders Bookstore and wait in the restroom until someone uses the toilet to shit. I then tell them that I am the janitor and to not flush the toilet as there is a severe plumbing problem that will cause the toilets to back up into the store.....Now obviously the people don't flush...I mean who wants to see their own shit floating down the home and garden section ehile you are trying to sip on a latte with the geeky star trek chick that may let you touch her tits if you buy her too many espressos.

Anyway, I thn scoop the beautiful loaves of love into a plastic baggie (the kind that seals green so I don't lose any of my precious cargo on the bus ride home) and stuff them into my jacket pocket.

Once at home I can finally unzip my labour of love and inhale deeply the aroma that I find to be devine.

Toss that shit (that sounds funny when it's actual shit you are using) between a nice kaiser roll and your are in business...



MMMMMMMMMMMM..............Shitburger.............. .AHAHAHAGAHAGAHAGGAAHGGAHAGGHH.


I hope you people don't think I am weird now......

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by lucid+Jan 10 2004, 12:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (lucid @ Jan 10 2004, 12:50 AM)
Socialist [email protected] 10 2004, 12:43 AM
also just because i support gay rights doesnt mean im gay ask many members of this board and they will agree with me about homosexuality.

why am i keyboard commie??


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Members of this board are delusional. They can&#39;t apply logic to the real world so I doubt they could to sexuality.

I called you a keyboard commie because your nothing but a kid and should be doing kid stuff. Not reading this poison and acting like you know how the world works. This is not reality. Massive amounts of people have died trying to create utopian states. [/b]
And millions die from lung cancer because Phillip Morriss was trying to build a more addictive ciggarette...and yes I"m aware that wasn&#39;t relevant..I just don&#39;t like Phillip Morriss.



I called you a keyboard commie because your nothing but a kid and should be doing kid stuff. Not reading this poison and acting like you know how the world works. This is not reality. Massive amounts of people have died trying to create utopian states.

How elitist of you. Granted he is young that doesn&#39;t give you the right to dismiss his beliefs. Will he grow out of this? Chances are pretty good he might..if he lives in america. However for the time being he is a communist or socialist(I&#39;m not 100% sure of his ideology) the point is though that you need to show respect for him just like you would a young republican.

Embaress him on the debate field, not by brushing him off

[Pete]

I support people of all sexaulities. Anything esle is bigotry.

Edit: I think marriage as an institution should be abolished, that way no arguements :P

[Lardlad95]

Do I support it? As in do I think it&#39;s a good thing? No

But then again I feel the same way about heterosexuality.

People&#39;s sexuality is irrelevant. I&#39;m not going to go out and say to a gay couple "I support you" any more than I would a hetero couple.

All this shit is irrelevant. We shouldn&#39;t need to support someone&#39;s sexuuality...we should just see it as something that exists, niether good nor bad

[el_profe]

I would like to ask Castro and Stalin what they think about this. I know Castro is definetly against gay marriage and has encarcerated people for being gay.

Lol. Socialist Freedom was born in 1989. Thats 14 years old. JAJAJA, now I know why death and all these kds just dont accept some facts. i.e. Stalin was a dictator that killed millions.

[Stalinator]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:15 AM
i.e. Stalin was a dictator that killed millions.
He was a true communist visionary.

[Dirty Commie]

I&#39;m 14 and I know that Stalin killed millions, and I support gay marriage.


Stalinator, equal rights are in no way special rights.

[BOZG]

How could he be a true communist visionary? You would be the first to admit that he was a vicious, dictatorial butcher. Seeing as communism is anarchism, how could Stalin be a communist visionary?

[Stalinator]

Originally posted by Dirty [email protected] 10 2004, 01:19 AM
I&#39;m 14

Now THAT explains a lot.


Stalinator, equal rights are in no way special rights.

True, but that has nothing to do with gay marriage.

[Lardlad95]

Originally posted by Stalinator+Jan 10 2004, 01:29 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Stalinator @ Jan 10 2004, 01:29 AM)
Dirty [email protected] 10 2004, 01:19 AM
I&#39;m 14

Now THAT explains a lot.


Stalinator, equal rights are in no way special rights.

True, but that has nothing to do with gay marriage. [/b]
No it has alot to do with it.

If two men wish to be married they should be able to. Now if the particular church where they want to be married at refuses, well then that is the churches right. However if it&#39;s a marraige by a judge then gays have the right to be married.

[Stalinator]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:38 AM
No it has alot to do with it.
Incorrect. A man can marry a woman. That&#39;s the law. A heterosexual man can&#39;t marry another heterosexual man. Thus the law is equal.

[conspirologist]

First, I want to introduce a distinction: civil marriage is the legal institution, religious marriage are the particular doctrines that various religions have about it. This is a fairly important one to note - a marriage in the eyes of the Gods does not entail the specific legal obligations and benefits of marriage, while the civil instution does not marry you in the eyes of the Gods.

Having said that, I think that the one man one woman version is unconstitutional on Fourteenth AMendment grounds. It creates a de facto distinction between classes of citizens without any justifiable reason.

However, in no way at all should a church be forced to marry a homosexual couple against its beliefs.

[Nelson Mandela]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:57 AM
Having said that, I think that the one man one woman version is unconstitutional on Fourteenth AMendment grounds. It creates a de facto distinction between classes of citizens without any justifiable reason.
It&#39;s not a violation. Homosexual men can still legally marry women.

[Xprewatik RED]

equal rights for all humans....

[canikickit]

What&#39;s the 14th amendment and why are one man, one woman marraiges violationing it?

[conspirologist]

Nelson,

The fact that they can still marry a woman is not what makes it a violation, anymore than a lesbian being able to marry a man would. Wha does make it the violation is the fact that civil marriage is a state institution which sets up special benefits and priviliges - and this is further open to only one class of citizens, those who are heterosexual. It is a distinction that is introduced de facto.

It is not enough to stand by merely the letter of the law. We must stand by the spirit as well.

[conspirologist]

Right, I can probably make this argument more detailed, which I&#39;ll now procede to do. I should thank Canikickit for asking that question and reminding me that not everyone will be immediatly aware of these things.

The following is section one of the fourteenth amendment:


Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Now as an opening note, in Shelly v Kramer it was held that the conduct being proscribed is that of the States - which is where marriage law falls.

It also seems fairly reasonable to suggest on the basis of this the following. What does the equal protection of the laws mean? The most vacuous answer means that you can&#39;t have a State say decide to engage in some form of practice without compelling interests to act. It cannot, for example, create a segregated school system. There is no public health or saftey reason there that is valid.

The argument for homosexual marriage from the fourteenth amendment tries to apply this principle here as well. It raises the question as to whether or not a de fact discintion between classes of citizens or not is created. You might lack a completely legally defined distinction, but none the less one can still exist.

You have a number of things that marriage allows you to do. In many ways, it&#39;s used as a shortcut for questions in a number of areas, like organising finances, who has parental rights over kids, etc. These are not things which are exclusively to heterosexual couples who engage in the civil contract. Someone will object now, "Wait a minute, but they can&#39;t have children." No, but they can adopt.

So we effectively have this contract which is supposed to organise relations between two persons, but the only kind of couple to be recognised is a heterosexual couple. A homosexual has no reason at all to engage in a marriage contract. Even if they can still marry a member of the opposite sex by the letter of the law, they cannot engage in the kind of marriage that they are interested in.

You have effectively created a special privilage. THat could be acceptable with a compelling interest argument, but so far as I can tell, there is none. The result of this line of thinking is that the failure to recognise homosexual marriage violates the first section of amendment fourteen.

[Bradyman]

I completely agree conspirologist.

Equal rights for everyone. What harm does it do to any of you if two guys or two girls get married. It&#39;s completely a personal matter.

[Vinny Rafarino]

cani will you marry me?









(I wanna be the top though....)

[D&#39;Anconia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 03:37 AM
I completely agree conspirologist.

Equal rights for everyone. What harm does it do to any of you if two guys or two girls get married. It&#39;s completely a personal matter.
Sodomy does do harm to the rest of the public.

By now it is a well-known fact that the incidence of STDs is much higher in groups of people who engage in sodomy. The acts that they perform in the privacy of their own homes are in fact propogating the rampant spread of sexual disease. This is an epidemic that affects many who have not been involved in these kinds of activities.

http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats/msm2.htm#FigCC

http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Press_Relea.../STDGay2000.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/Press_Releases/STDGay2000.htm)

[BuyOurEverything]

Sodomy does do harm to the rest of the public.

By now it is a well-known fact that the incidence of STDs is much higher in groups of people who engage in sodomy. The acts that they perform in the privacy of their own homes are in fact propogating the rampant spread of sexual disease. This is an epidemic that affects many who have not been involved in these kinds of activities.

Well if that isn&#39;t an example of using pseudo-science to justify outdated Judeo-Christian morality, I don&#39;t know what is. Even if anal does have a slightly elevated risk of spreading STIs than vaginal sex, homosexuals aren&#39;t the only ones that practice it. Condoms also significantly reduce the risk of spreading STIs. Not to mention the fact that sodomy is practiced between two consenting partners, both of which agree to assume any risk involved.

Your way of thinking is quite scary actually. Do you support the banning of public sneezing, as it spreads disease? You&#39;re advocate infringing on people&#39;s liberty for what you consider to be the "common good," something you are quick to accuse us socialists of doing. I wouldn&#39;t really have a problem with this if there actually was a serious risk to the public, but of course there is not.

[D&#39;Anconia]

Since when is the CDC pseudo-science. According to their statistics, through 2002 over 21,000 people have contracted AIDS from blood transfusions, from mothers infected with it, or from blood transfusions associated with hemophilia.

Check the numbers. http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1402/table3.htm
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1402/table16.htm

EDIT: The point is that their activity puts other people at risk, not just themselves.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Sodomy does do harm to the rest of the public.
.


I always thought it did harm to those being sodomized.....well at least "part" of them.









Unless of course you dig that groove baby.

[BuyOurEverything]

According to their statistics, through 2002 over 21,000 people have contracted AIDS from blood transfusions, from mothers infected with it, or from blood transfusions associated with hemophilia.

I don&#39;t really know what that has to do with anything. As for those statistics, I don&#39;t know what you&#39;re trying to prove. Assuming those statistics are true, they really don&#39;t help your position much at all. So what if more people have been infected with AIDS through homosexual contact than heterosexual? What we need is more education about STDs and condoms. What do you really hope to accomplish through banning of sodomy (I assume that&#39;s what you&#39;re calling for)?


I always thought it did harm to those being sodomized.....well at least "part" of them.

Unless of course you dig that groove baby.

Oh come on, you know you like it that way RAF.

[D&#39;Anconia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 04:59 AM

According to their statistics, through 2002 over 21,000 people have contracted AIDS from blood transfusions, from mothers infected with it, or from blood transfusions associated with hemophilia.

I don&#39;t really know what that has to do with anything. As for those statistics, I don&#39;t know what you&#39;re trying to prove. Assuming those statistics are true, they really don&#39;t help your position much at all. So what if more people have been infected with AIDS through homosexual contact than heterosexual? What we need is more education about STDs and condoms. What do you really hope to accomplish through banning of sodomy (I assume that&#39;s what you&#39;re calling for)?


I always thought it did harm to those being sodomized.....well at least "part" of them.

Unless of course you dig that groove baby.

Oh come on, you know you like it that way RAF.
If you would take the time to look at the links, you would see that the increase in the contraction of AIDS/HIV in MSM (men having sex with men) has led to an increases in other groups as well. The sexual practices of these people is affecting the rest of the nation, including innocent children who are born with the disease or contract it from blood transfusions.

[Anarchist Freedom]

oh boy i wonder if i should tell you about those things called condoms.


:che:

[BuyOurEverything]

oh boy i wonder if i should tell you about those things called condoms.

No dude, those are sinful. God will send you to hell.


If you would take the time to look at the links, you would see that the increase in the contraction of AIDS/HIV in MSM (men having sex with men) has led to an increases in other groups as well. The sexual practices of these people is affecting the rest of the nation, including innocent children who are born with the disease or contract it from blood transfusions.

Err, I don&#39;t think many homosexual males are giving birth to children and they do test blood that use for transfusions for AIDS.

[D&#39;Anconia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 05:45 AM

oh boy i wonder if i should tell you about those things called condoms.

No dude, those are sinful. God will send you to hell.


If you would take the time to look at the links, you would see that the increase in the contraction of AIDS/HIV in MSM (men having sex with men) has led to an increases in other groups as well. The sexual practices of these people is affecting the rest of the nation, including innocent children who are born with the disease or contract it from blood transfusions.

Err, I don&#39;t think many homosexual males are giving birth to children and they do test blood that use for transfusions for AIDS.
The tests commonly used to detect HIV infection are actually looking for antibodies produced by an individual’s immune system when they are exposed to HIV. Most people will develop detectable antibodies within two to eight weeks (the average is 25 days). Ninety seven percent will develop antibodies in the first three months following the time of their infection. In very rare cases, it can take up to six months to develop antibodies to HIV.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq9.htm

The point being here that there is a considerable amount of time in between infection and detection during which it is possible for those infected to pass the disease without knowing that they have it.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by D&#39;[email protected] 10 2004, 05:58 AM
The point being here that there is a considerable amount of time in between infection and detection during which it is possible for those infected to pass the disease without knowing that they have it.
Dont they ask the person if they have hade sexual intercourse over that period of time, and then if the lie then its not becuase of gay sex the disease is carried on but because of being a lier possilably brought on by a homophobic society.

[Deniz Gezmis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:15 AM
now I know why death and all these kds just dont accept some facts.
Yeah, We cannot except the fact that all Muslims hate Jews. :lol:

[redfront]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 01:10 AM
Do I support it? As in do I think it&#39;s a good thing? No

But then again I feel the same way about heterosexuality.

People&#39;s sexuality is irrelevant. I&#39;m not going to go out and say to a gay couple "I support you" any more than I would a hetero couple.

All this shit is irrelevant. We shouldn&#39;t need to support someone&#39;s sexuuality...we should just see it as something that exists, niether good nor bad
I agree with that. It doesn&#39;t make a difference if a man likes women or men, it&#39;s his choise.
Some arguments against it is that it&#39;s unnatural, that is bullshit. Most of the times you&#39;re just born with it, so how can it be unnatural, and it doesn&#39;t hurt anybody, so it&#39;s really the people who are against it who has a problem.
Then again i would say that it doesn&#39;t make a difference if you&#39;re gay or straight, it&#39;s non of anybodies buisness, so why care

[The Feral Underclass]

Do you know what I find really amusing is the fact you can read a post which is so open minded towards gay people but then, right at the last minute the entire thing is brought to shit when these "straight" men have to reaffirm the fact that they are straight...So what you are saying socialist freedom is, is that homosexuality is ok, but just so everyone knows, you&#39;re not one of them. Why do you people, who assert how normal and natural homosexuality is, have to disempower their entire argument? Why is it such a big deal that someone might assume you were gay? Maybe you dont think it&#39;s so normal and natural after all?

Have a little convition when trying to be rightous, it makes it more convincing&#33;

[BuyOurEverything]

Do you know what I find really amusing is the fact you can read a post which is so open minded towards gay people but then, right at the last minute the entire thing is brought to shit when these "straight" men have to reaffirm the fact that they are straight...So what you are saying socialist freedom is, is that homosexuality is ok, but just so everyone knows, you&#39;re not one of them. Why do you people, who assert how normal and natural homosexuality is, have to disempower their entire argument? Why is it such a big deal that someone might assume you were gay? Maybe you dont think it&#39;s so normal and natural after all?

Have a little convition when trying to be rightous, it makes it more convincing&#33;

I noticed the same thing. Even pro-gay people are quick to "defend themselves" against "acusations" of being homosexual.

[Misodoctakleidist]

If you would take the time to look at the links, you would see that the increase in the contraction of AIDS/HIV in MSM (men having sex with men) has led to an increases in other groups as well. The sexual practices of these people is affecting the rest of the nation, including innocent children who are born with the disease or contract it from blood transfusions.

I thought people stopped using that argument in the 1980&#39;s.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by The Anarchist [email protected] 10 2004, 10:50 PM
Maybe you dont think it&#39;s so normal and natural after all?

It doesnt matter if they dont think its normal or natural. I i think its completly unatural and just plain wrong espically anal but i still beleive people have the right to choice that lifestyle and no one has the right to stop them or make them feel less of themselve because they do.

[The Feral Underclass]

I i think its completly unatural and just plain wrong espically anal

But with a women it&#39;s ok?

[Hiero]

I i think its completly unatural and just plain wrong espically anal



But with a women it&#39;s ok?

Are you asking if its ok for women to be gay or for a man to have anal sex with a female. Anyway the fact is that its crazy to stick a dick up somones anal even its a female.

[(*]

what about a blowjob? Is that "natural" ?

[Hiero]

By the way i didnt mean to use the word natural in its reall sense. Its not like a im a scientist and have provern it to be unnatural

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 12:07 AM

Do you know what I find really amusing is the fact you can read a post which is so open minded towards gay people but then, right at the last minute the entire thing is brought to shit when these "straight" men have to reaffirm the fact that they are straight...So what you are saying socialist freedom is, is that homosexuality is ok, but just so everyone knows, you&#39;re not one of them. Why do you people, who assert how normal and natural homosexuality is, have to disempower their entire argument? Why is it such a big deal that someone might assume you were gay? Maybe you dont think it&#39;s so normal and natural after all?

Have a little convition when trying to be rightous, it makes it more convincing&#33;

I noticed the same thing. Even pro-gay people are quick to "defend themselves" against "acusations" of being homosexual.
I&#39;m bisexual so it doesn&#39;t matter&#33; :P

[Not_For_Sale]

I have to say that i find nothing wrong with women loving other women or men loving other men.Hell its really nobodys buisness and i think they should do whatever they want.I also 100% support gay marriage.But just because I support it doesn&#39;t mean that Im gonna go out and marry or have sex with another woman they have to buy me dinner first LOL just kidding.To be honest with you im neither straight or gay I just don&#39;t like other people that way.



"Homophobs are just jealous"

[BuyOurEverything]

Are you asking if its ok for women to be gay or for a man to have anal sex with a female. Anyway the fact is that its crazy to stick a dick up somones anal even its a female.

I assume he was talking about anal sex with a female. Why do you say that&#39;s &#39;crazy?&#39; Is one opening more "moral" than another?

[LSD]

It doesnt matter if they dont think its normal or natural. I i think its completly unatural and just plain wrong espically anal but i still beleive people have the right to choice that lifestyle and no one has the right to stop them or make them feel less of themselve because they do.


Oh yes, no one should "make them feel less of themselve" but you call them "completely unatural and just plain wrong."
Do you see a the hypocracy there?

Simple fact is that it exactly that attitude that is responsible for most discrimination. You don&#39;t want to hurt homosexuals, you&#39;d certainly never take direct action against them, but you still think their "just plain wrong" so you probably wouldn&#39;t be to quick to take action to help them either....

Listen carefully: IT&#39;S NOT WRONG AND THEY&#39;RE NOT WRONG

But you are.

[Zanzibar]

Sure. It&#39;s not like I really care.

[The Feral Underclass]

Are you asking if its ok for women to be gay or for a man to have anal sex with a female. Anyway the fact is that its crazy to stick a dick up somones anal even its a female.

Sexually repressed teenage boys&#33;....what amazes me is the fact you have obviously thought about it so much. You have completely based you argument around the way two people havce sex. So homosexuality is wrong because of the way we perform our sexual relationships?...im sorry, but who the fuck are you? Why does it even concern you? Why are you even thinking about it? Get over yourself...your not that important&#33;

[Comrade Ceausescu]

I, like any true communist,support equal rights for everyone regardless of race, nationality or sexual orientation. Homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals.