15 year old slaughtered by Islamists in Aleppo, Syria.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

NOTE THAT THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. I ADVISE YOU NOT TO EVEN WATCH IT, RATHER SIMPLY KNOW THAT IT EXISTS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

EDIT: I am not even going to link this to the site out of fear of being banned. All I will tell you is that the video is on 'Liveleak.com' and the video is named 'VERY GRAPHIC - Child executed by islamist rebels in Aleppo' .


ARTICLE:
http://www.trust.org/item/20130609223717-fk2zb/?source%20=%20hpbreaking


AMMAN, June 9 (Reuters) - Members of an al Qaeda-linked Islamist group in the northern Syrian city of Aleppo executed a 15-year-old boy in front of his parents on Sunday as punishment for what the group regarded as a heretical comment, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.

Mohammad Qataa was shot in the face and neck a day after being seized, said the pro-opposition monitoring group, which is based in Britain and uses a network of observers across Syria.

"The Observatory cannot ignore these crimes, which only serve the enemies of the revolution and the enemies of humanity," said the group's leader Rami Abdulrahman.

A photo released by the Observatory showed Qataa's face with his mouth and jaw bloodied and destroyed, as well as a bullet wound in his neck.

The Observatory, which based its report on witness accounts of the killing, said Qataa, who was a street vendor selling coffee in the working-class Shaar neighbourhood, had been arguing with someone when he was overheard saying: "Even if the Prophet Mohammad comes down (from heaven), I will not become a believer."

The gunmen, who belong to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, a militant group that started off known as the Nusra Front, took Qatta on Saturday and brought him back alive in the early hours of Sunday to his wooden stand, with whiplash marks visible on his body.

"People gathered around him and a member of the fighting brigade said: 'Generous citizens of Aleppo, disbelieving in God is polytheism and cursing the prophet is a polytheism. Whoever curses even once will be punished like this."

"He then fired two bullets from an automatic rifle in view of the crowd and in front of the boy's mother and father, and got into a car and left," the report said.

Abdulrahman said the boy's mother had pleaded with the killers, whose Arabic suggested they might not be Syrian, not to shoot her son. Qataa's parents said the youth had taken part in pro-democracy demonstrations in Aleppo.

Since last year, large parts of the city have fallen under the control of Islamist brigades, including the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front, as well as other rebel units. (Reporting by Khaled Yacoub Oweis, Amman newsroom.; Editing by Kevin Liffey and Christopher Wilson)


The Observatory, which based its report on witness accounts of the killing, said Qataa, who was a street vendor selling coffee in the working-class Shaar neighbourhood, had been arguing with someone when he was overheard saying: "Even if the Prophet Mohammad comes down (from heaven), I will not become a believer."

The gunmen, who belong to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, a militant group that started off known as the Nusra Front, took Qatta on Saturday and brought him back alive in the early hours of Sunday to his wooden stand, with whiplash marks visible on his body.

"People gathered around him and a member of the fighting brigade said: 'Generous citizens of Aleppo, disbelieving in God is polytheism and cursing the prophet is a polytheism. Whoever curses even once will be punished like this."

"He then fired two bullets from an automatic rifle in view of the crowd and in front of the boy's mother and father, and got into a car and left," the report said.

This is a child from a working-class neighbourhood who was murdered inbroad daylight by these fascists for 'blaspheming'. Absolute fucking monsters.

Any more faux-anarchists want to come out and start defending the Free Syrian Army? I can find a thousand more stories than this of them slaughtering civillians Al-shabaab style if you want to pull the anecdote card.

[Manar]

It's comforting to know that this Takfiri vermin will meet their end once the heroes of the Syrian Arab Army liberate Aleppo. Dead in a ditch, that's where these "people" belong.

[Zostrianos]

Scum. And these are the people the West is supporting.

[Manar]

Scum. And these are the people the West is supporting.
NATO trains, equips and sponsors them. Yes. But the main patrons of the 'democratic Syrian Revolution' are the free and democratic nations of Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Sultan Erdoğan's reformed Ottoman Empire.

Do you expect any honorable and good-intentioned persons to flock to the banner of the House of Saud's 'democratic revolution'? It's as likely as communists initiating a Nazi-sponsored insurgency in Switzerland in 1943.

[khad]

What the kid actually said was "Even if Mohammed comes down, I will not give this debt," which is a common Syrian expression that simply means "I refuse to lend you money."

What likely happened was that some Salafist got all butthurt when he failed to shake this kid down for money and tattled to his big bros in the FSA.

There are some photos which seem to suggest (no way to confirm) that this kid was a rebel supporter. In which case it would actually be in line with a recent rash of such incidents of rebels getting the bullet in the face for failing to display proper revolutionary (read: Salafist) zeal.

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

The article says the killers were from al-Nusra not the FSA, and the kid was a supporter of the demonstrations against Assad. I guess the question is if the FSA has lost all relevance next to the better-armed and more militarily capable al-Nusra, and what this means for any Syrian who offends their Wahabi sensibilities (whether they support the uprising against Assad or not, it seems).

It's disgusting that anyone would receive this kind of punishment, but the fact that it was a teenager is just that much of a stronger indicator about the character of the people tying to take over that country.

[Ethics Gradient, Traitor For All Ages]

It's comforting to know that this Takfiri vermin will meet their end once the heroes of the Syrian Arab Army liberate Aleppo. Dead in a ditch, that's where these "people" belong.

Yeah, along with everyone else who have committed the crime of living in rebel held territory :rolleyes:. Fuck ideology, I hope the butchers on both sides get whats coming to them.

[Yet_Another_Boring_Marxist]

But of course, human rights abuses are not the reason why Communists oppose the FSA

It is because "democratic revolutions" never got the proletariat anywhere, and despite the arguments of some, every successful revolution occurred under despotism.

[khad]

The article says the killers were from al-Nusra not the FSA, and the kid was a supporter of the demonstrations against Assad. I guess the question is if the FSA has lost all relevance next to the better-armed and more militarily capable al-Nusra, and what this means for any Syrian who offends their Wahabi sensibilities (whether they support the uprising against Assad or not, it seems).

It's disgusting that anyone would receive this kind of punishment, but the fact that it was a teenager is just that much of a stronger indicator about the character of the people tying to take over that country.
At this point, on the ground, they're hardly distinguishable. Here's an account of one "Syrian" rebel from Lebanon whose unit was dominated from the top-down by Salafists. It began with just cooperation with the Sham Falcons and the Nusra Front, but ended with a compete takeover. He says that he grew accustomed to routine sectarian genocide and mass rape against Alawites, Christians and Kurds, but that his commander tricking a little kid into serving as a suicide bomber made him reexamine his choices in life.

As you know, the FSA as a coherent organization exists only in the realm of fantasy, and just because a unit is not formally a part of the Sham Falcons or the Nusra Front doesn't mean that it is not completely subordinate to them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfGG9DuVXKI
xfGG9DuVXKI

[khad]

Yeah, along with everyone else who have committed the crime of living in rebel held territory :rolleyes:. Fuck ideology, I hope the butchers on both sides get whats coming to them.
Despite the stupidly irrational raving that goes on from both sides, there has been a lot of negotiation on both sides over the matter of civilian evacuations. This is one of the main reasons why this war is so slow.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syria-man-behind-qusayr%E2%80%99s-mediation-efforts?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AlAkhbarEnglish+%28Al+Akhbar+ English%29


On Sunday, the anticipated assault on the besieged Syrian town of Qusayr began. This put an end to the race to find a peaceful solution in the town, one that would safeguard its civilian population and lay the ground for future reconciliation by preventing further loss of life.

Before the latest assault, there were already clear signs that the attempts to reach a settlement had stalled, albeit other mediation efforts have managed to secure a safe corridor out of the town for many civilians.

The phone of Ali Zaayter was ringing off the hook. He’s one of the most prominent mediators working both with the militants holed up in Qusayr and the Syrian government. Zaayter hails from al-Qasr near the city of Hermel, which was hit by six rockets on Sunday, added to the 19 other shells that have landed on the city since the start of the conflict.

Zaayter took on his mediation mission out of his compassion for the civilians on the other side of the border, as well as for those within Lebanon. He believes that without coexistence, the region has no future. The solid and comprehensive relations Zaayter maintains with people on both sides of the border, their confidence in him, and his knowledge of the real geography of the region, which does not recognize the demarcations of Sykes-Picot, have all helped him out in his mission.

When he finally answered our call, Zaayter sounded tense. He usually communicates with the militants in Qusayr through Skype or telephone, and since Sunday, he has been stepping up his efforts to reduce “losses” between the two sides. Indeed, as a Lebanese who experienced civil war, he knows that limiting the bloodletting could help the cause of reconciliation after the guns fall silent.

“They have not been answering since Saturday,” he said. “The BBC said that they are in touch with me, but no one has contacted me since yesterday, unfortunately. We are trying but there has been no answer. We are still waiting.”

Zaayter seemed disappointed by the unresponsiveness of both sides. He said, “Saturday morning, we tried as peace-seeking mediators, without consulting any official party, to put together a large delegation of people from the Murshidi, Christian, and Muslim communities of Homs, and from Hermel and the villages adjoining Qusayr, in an effort to stop the war and take control of Qusayr, but to no avail.”

We had visited Zaayter on Thursday to cover his mediation efforts. On that day, Zaayter received a message via Skype from Qassem Zein, the negotiator from the other side.

The message read, “We have started forming dialogue committees as you proposed. A committee has been created, made up of retired officers, engineers, lawyers, doctors, and dissident officers, and I convinced them to end armed manifestations, continue the struggle peacefully, withdraw all heavy weaponry, and cease fire.”

The message continued, “Unfortunately, the regime has not shown any good faith. The regime bombed Qusayr and one of the shells killed Sheikh Mahdi Abbas (one of the men assisting the reconciliation committee). Is this the kind of dialogue you call for? If the regime is not serious, then let us continue our fight and victory shall be for the oppressed. Are these not your principles?”

Back then, Zaayter shook his head dejectedly, and said, “A shell fell and a man was killed, and they accused me of causing his death!” When we asked what he intended to do about what had transpired, he replied, “I will call the negotiator to discuss the following idea: If the regime seems to be planning to continue putting pressure, then make up your mind quickly so that we can help you.” After that, he lost contact with them.

But on Sunday, Zaayter seemed reassured on the fate of the civilians. He reckoned that no more than 20 percent of the total number of children and women were still trapped in the city, and said that they were allowed to leave without any problems through regular army checkpoints.

But what about other civilians who are not women or children? Zaayter replied, “Well, on Saturday, May 11, there was an attempt to evacuate civilians who wanted to leave Qusayr, and the government gave them safe passage. But at the last moment, that effort collapsed. The fighters in Qusayr felt that if they let all the civilians go, then this might encourage the government to kill them.”

But didn’t they know that before agreeing to negotiate in the first place? Zaayter said, “Yes, but they did not realize that everyone wanted to leave. So the opposition fighters refused to let them leave, fearing this would turn them into ‘clean’ targets.”

[Tim Cornelis]

Any more faux-anarchists want to come out and start defending the Free Syrian Army?

The article does not name the Free Syrian Army at all, so I don't know why you feel the need to so blatantly fabricate this just to score a political point. Now, if you said that the FSA is aligned to these groups then you'd be making a valid point, if you said the FSA has been involved in excesses and atrocities themselves, it'd be valid, but now you're just adjusting the truth in accordance to your political point. A disingenuous tactic.

[khad]

The article does not name the Free Syrian Army at all, so I don't know why you feel the need to so blatantly fabricate this just to score a political point. Now, if you said that the FSA is aligned to these groups then you'd be making a valid point, if you said the FSA has been involved in excesses and atrocities themselves, it'd be valid, but now you're just adjusting the truth in accordance to your political point. A disingenuous tactic.

I'm not sure what is meant by "faux-anarchist?"

However, I don't think it's entirely disingenuous. If you watch the video, at about the 8 min mark, this insurgent clearly mentions the FSA and that fear of retaliation by jihadists keeps a lot of people from quitting the FSA.

These things are not like Western micro-parties, jealously guarding their membership like animals in a zoo. The salafists in Syria, despite going by different names, are closely coordinated and exert influence far outside their formal organizational structure.

[Manar]

The article does not name the Free Syrian Army at all, so I don't know why you feel the need to so blatantly fabricate this just to score a political point. Now, if you said that the FSA is aligned to these groups then you'd be making a valid point, if you said the FSA has been involved in excesses and atrocities themselves, it'd be valid, but now you're just adjusting the truth in accordance to your political point. A disingenuous tactic.
The FSA units in Aleppo merged into Jubhat al-Nusra on May 30, for your information.

Either way, he is correct, "Free Syrian Army" is an umbrella propaganda term used by Western journalists to describe various Salafi/Takfiri armed gangs, racketeers, looters and kidnappers engaging in armed combat with the Syrian Arab Army and civilians organised into militias to protect their communities against these pillaging cannibals and child-executioners.

[Paul Pott]

Yeah, if anyone didn't get the message, the "FSA" fighters have been moving over to Nusrah in droves.

[Sir Comradical]

The figures from the Economist suggest the following in terms of armed strength.

Free Syrian Army: 50,000
Syrian Liberation Front: 37,000
Syrian Islamic Front: 13,000
Jabhat Al-Nusra: 6,000

However in Aleppo the Tawhid Birgade (FSA) appear to work quite closely with Al-Nusra so it's complicated.

[Rural Comrade]

I never understood why the rebels are being supported because they will "make Syria democratic" people should learn that no matter who wins Syria will look the same.

[khad]

However in Aleppo the Tawhid Birgade (FSA) appear to work quite closely with Al-Nusra so it's complicated.
You know what Tawhid means, right? Monotheism. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawhid)

FYI, Al Qaeda in Iraq used to be known as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad (Group of Monotheism and Jihad). On the ground, THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9735988/Syrian-rebels-defy-US-and-pledge-allegiance-to-jihadi-group.html


A total of 29 opposition groups, including fighting "brigades" and civilian committees, have signed a petition calling for mass demonstrations in support of Jabhat al-Nusra, an Islamist group which the White House believes is an offshoot of al-Qaeda in Iraq. The petition is promoting the slogan "No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra" and urges supporters to "raise the Jabhat al-Nusra flag" as a "thank you".

[khad]

The latest clarification to the story was that this kid refused to give a rebel his complimentary cup of coffee, insisting that he pay for it.

[Manar]

The latest clarification to the story was that this kid refused to give a rebel his complimentary cup of coffee, insisting that he pay for it.
A dehydrated Mujahid cannot do Jihad. The kid obstructed Jihad. Kafir.

[#FF0000]

The figures from the Economist suggest the following in terms of armed strength.

Free Syrian Army: 50,000
Syrian Liberation Front: 37,000
Syrian Islamic Front: 13,000
Jabhat Al-Nusra: 6,000

However in Aleppo the Tawhid Birgade (FSA) appear to work quite closely with Al-Nusra so it's complicated.

That sort of flies in the face of everything else I've read -- which suggests the FSA has scarcely and presence on the ground.

Such a confusing situation.

[Zaza]

( Was posted by a pro-FSA page )


In einem Schreiben distanziert sich die Al-Nusra Front von der Exekution eines 15-jährigen Jungen, in Aleppo. Der Junge soll abtrünniges über den Islam gesagt haben und daraufhin von Unbekannten per Selbstjustiz hingerichtet worden sein. Die Unbekannten, welche selbst jung ausgesehen haben sollen, entkamen mit einem Auto. Die Al-Nusra Front wurde für den Vorfall verantwortlich gemacht, meldete sich jetzt jedoch in dem folgenden Schreiben selbst zu Wort.

"In a letter the Al-Nusra Front distances themself from the execution of a 15 years old in Aleppo. The boy commented the rebells with something offensive about the islam and after that he got executed by an anonymous person.
The offenders are also in a young age, and escaped with a car.
The Al-Nusra Front which was made responsible for the acts of the young anonymous persons writes now a letter to speak for themself."


http://www.alnews.de/al-nusra-front-distanziert-sich-von-der-exekution-des-15-jahrigen/


The actual letter only says that they weren't a part of it. Still want me to translate it?

[Sinister Cultural Marxist]

That sort of flies in the face of everything else I've read -- which suggests the FSA has scarcely and presence on the ground.

Such a confusing situation.

Perhaps their discipline, organization and international support allows al-Nusra and similar groups to dominate the front-line and take effective control over other groups despite their smaller numbers? These more mobile and nimble groups (including al Qaeda) are often able to take the leading role even if they are a fraction of the insurgency.

[Nakidana]

Talked to a woman today whose husband is Syrian. She said they were both hoping the US would intervene militarily, but was afraid it wouldn't happen because she knew the US couldn't go around "being the policeman of the world". I asked her what about what happened in Iraq? She answered that oh, Assad is much worse than Saddam. :confused:

[khad]

Talked to a woman today whose husband is Syrian. She said they were both hoping the US would intervene militarily, but was afraid it wouldn't happen because she knew the US couldn't go around "being the policeman of the world". I asked her what about what happened in Iraq? She answered that oh, Assad is much worse than Saddam. :confused:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87e_1371027252


More than 60 civilians mostly women and children were massacred by terrorists from one of the ‘Free Syrian Army’ branches, most likely the Wahhabi Nusra Front in the Hatlah town, Der Ezzor countryside, north of Syria. The town consists of mostly Shiite residents. Some of the top scholars and their families were among the slaughtered, many were kidnapped by the Wahhabi attackers.

"The terrorists released 2 videos bragging about killing the people of Hatlah town in Der Ezzor countryside.

See, here's a fundamental qualitative difference between the two sides that you have to start asking yourself about. Even in the cases of alleged mass killings by forces of the state, there is at least an attempt to deny or cover it up, as if they know it's something shameful, whereas the rebels flaunt their atrocities openly on social media. Meanwhile, Hezbollah has been quietly transporting wounded rebel combatants to hospitals in Lebanon, in keeping with their public image as pious freedom fighters, I guess. With very little media fanfare. You can barely find information about this in the Arabic language press, and nothing at all in English.

http://assafir.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=771&EditionId=2482&ChannelId=59804


“God reward you O’ Hezbollah”, said one of the wounded. Silence and then added: “We fought and here you are coming to our aid in the time when everyone has forsaken us."

The Hezbollah member standing next to him replied: “Not a favor from us, this is ordered by our religion, this is what we have learned about the treatment of the wounded, even if our enemy, I hope you will review your view of us”.

After the wounded had been counted, they were handed over to the 'Red Cross' and transferred from cars of Hezbollah to ambulances. The convoy then set off in the direction of the headquarters 'Red Cross' in Hermel where Hezbollah does not exist. The wounded had more freedom to say what they want. We approached one of the cars and a group of people with whom one has a critical injury in one of his feet. I asked him if he was in al-qusair, ‘definitely’ he answered, I asked him: 'Is it not weird that Hezbollah delivered you to the Red Cross?’ He looked to one of his comrades and smiled and then looked at me, saying: ‘Weird! Why weird? God reward them! The ones with us only talk, but Hezbollah says and does, God reward them.

The names of the wounded who were taken: Mohammed Hussain h., Omar Abdel-Hamid g., Imad Riad El., Bilal Mohammed p., Khalil Ahmed m., Bassam Khaled d., Atef Abbas, g., Yamen Abdullah of m, Samer Adnan g. , conciliator Tawfiq p., Ali Hussein., Abdul Karim Mohammed., Ghassan Khaled p., Fayez Mohammed m., Muawiya Khaled h., Hassan El live. , Khaled Gomaa t., Ahmed Azmi p., Alaa Muhammad Ali h., Taher Mohammed Ali c., Nur Mahmoud t., Nasreddin Q., Tarek Khaled q., Mohammed Hassan p. , Suleiman Mahmud t., Mohammed Hussein m., Saad Abdul-designate p., Adham Tahir E.., Ali Hussein., Abdel Razak Mohammed., Mutassim Barakat b., Mohamed Ahmed g., Ziad Khaled q., Ali Mohamed c., Ghassan Mohammed c.

[Nakidana]

Here's the thing though khad, and I know we disagreed about Afghanistan in the past so we might disagree about this as well, but I don't really see the Assad regime coming across as any better considering its conduct. I'm talking about torture, and bombing of civilian targets such as hospitals and bakeries.

In fact I hardly see any side to support in this conflict. I'm no expert, and you know a lot more about the conflict than I, but do you not agree that this started as a violent crackdown by Assad on peaceful protestors? The opposition then took up arms, and mutated into a bunch of Islamist groups (including foreign fighters) with the only common goal of removing Assad. The civil war is now tearing the country apart, with foreign powers throwing fuel on the fire.

And why do we keep referring to the FSA? With the articles posted in the last Syria thread (http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/the-free-syrian-army-doesnt-exist/, http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/the-free-syrian-army-is-growing-stronger-every-day-by-koert-debeuf-response-by-lund/) I thought it was pretty clear that no such organization exists, at least not in a coherent nationwide form.

[khad]

Here's the thing though khad, and I know we disagreed about Afghanistan in the past so we might disagree about this as well, but I don't really see the Assad regime coming across as any better considering its conduct. I'm talking about torture, and bombing of civilian targets such as hospitals and bakeries.
If the government were truly as indiscriminate with civilian casualties as the popular claims go, they wouldn't have negotiated to let the last couple of hundred rebels in Qusayr go leaving their civilian hostages and their weapons behind. They wouldn't have taken months beforehand working to secure the safe evacuation of 80% of Qusayr's civilians, a fact which was confirmed by third party negotiators.

No war is going to be free of collateral damage, but here's something to consider. With the screaming liberals of the west endlessly harping on about the 80,000 dead, if you take one look at these rebel claims, you'd see that over 50% are listed as government forces, and as you can see with the case of Hatlah (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87e_1371027252), everyone who just happens to support the government becomes a government militiaman to these rebel accountants. The SOHR readily admits that 41,000 of those killed were Alawites. Moreover, they list the Kurdish PYD as an "oppositionist" force when the vast, vast majority of Kurds killed have been at the hands of the FSA/Nusra/whatever.

If you want to take the rebel side, then you'd better live with their own claims about being responsible for more mass death than any party in this conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

[Dropdead]

I bet the FSA does this all the time, they just don't talk about it.

[Zaza]

I bet the FSA does this all the time, they just don't talk about it.

Oh they do things like that all the time.
There was even a video of an armed person of the FSA/Al-Nusra killing a teenager long time. And that "dressed" as a SAA member.

[Manar]

The 15 year old boy murdered by the rebels:
http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/s/s/20/media20/2013/Jun/9/LiveLeak-dot-com-23eb88532cc3-945126_379454178829593_146105758_n.jpg.resized.jpg ?d5e8cc8eccfb6039332f41f6249e92b06c91b4db65f5e9981 8bad0974d42dad22a51&ec_rate=200

The rebels are seemingly great admirers of children. They favor their use in all sorts of exciting activities. From forcing them to become child soldiers, like here (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=260_1369087376) and here (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b80_1369373640), to forcing them to participate in such fun family activities like the beheadings of civilians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAbn6jDExLs), and tricking them into becoming unwitting suicide bombers(as confessed by a former FSA mujahid that suddenly grew a conscience here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xfGG9DuVXKI)), the future generations of Syria are in safe FSA hands.

Allahu Akbar!

[Sir Comradical]

If the government were truly as indiscriminate with civilian casualties as the popular claims go, they wouldn't have negotiated to let the last couple of hundred rebels in Qusayr go leaving their civilian hostages and their weapons behind. They wouldn't have taken months beforehand working to secure the safe evacuation of 80% of Qusayr's civilians, a fact which was confirmed by third party negotiators.

No war is going to be free of collateral damage, but here's something to consider. With the screaming liberals of the west endlessly harping on about the 80,000 dead, if you take one look at these rebel claims, you'd see that over 50% are listed as government forces, and as you can see with the case of Hatlah (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=87e_1371027252), everyone who just happens to support the government becomes a government militiaman to these rebel accountants. Moreover, they list the Kurdish PYD as an "oppositionist" force when the vast, vast majority of Kurds killed have been at the hands of the FSA/Nusra/whatever.

If you want to take the rebel side, then you'd better live with their own claims about being responsible for more mass death than any party in this conflict.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Syrian_civil_war

Exactly. Also if we're going by rebel claims, Alawis who are generally more supportive of the government and who the Islamists hate, have been disproportionately killed in this conflict. According to the SOHR, 41,000 casualties have been Alawis. Also if over 30K+ killed have been government soldiers/militia, and if the government holds the military advantage, that would mean much more rebels have been killed.

When you break the numbers down, the terrorist-lovers begin to look real stupid real fast.

[Turinbaar]

See, here's a fundamental qualitative difference between the two sides that you have to start asking yourself about. Even in the cases of alleged mass killings by forces of the state, there is at least an attempt to deny or cover it up, as if they know it's something shameful, whereas the rebels flaunt their atrocities openly on social media. Meanwhile, Hezbollah has been quietly transporting wounded rebel combatants to hospitals in Lebanon, in keeping with their public image as pious freedom fighters, I guess. With very little media fanfare. You can barely find information about this in the Arabic language press, and nothing at all in English.

http://assafir.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=771&EditionId=2482&ChannelId=59804

It would be more accurate to say that the regime blames its enemies for it's own atrocities (the old Reichstag technique), which is hardly less shameful than boasting. Holocaust denial versus affirmation at a certain point becomes a distinction without a difference.

You can take or leave an article written in western press, but this interview centering around man named Ibrahim claims that wounded syrian army recruits are aided by their enemies as well, and that Hezbollah's treatment of wounded is not as friendly as it was in the assafir article.

http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-syria-qusair-20130610,0,6667540.story?track=rss

It doesn't specify which group he fights with, only that he came to lebanon from the Qusair fighting and see's Nusra and the Regime as equally his enemy.

[khad]

It would be more accurate to say that the regime blames its enemies for it's own atrocities (the old Reichstag technique), which is hardly less shameful than boasting. Holocaust denial versus affirmation at a certain point becomes a distinction without a difference.

Right, and the government killed 40,000 of its Alawite supporters and blamed it on the rebels. :rolleyes:

Yet another example of the sheer brutishness of the "FSA." Here's a video of these extremists jeering at a pack of diapers they found in a cache of SAA supplies, obviously part of a civilian aid package. Kind of a meaningless incident until you realize that it doesn't even pop into their heads what these supplies could be used for. That shows just how little regard they have for the needs of civilians.

pSk7fDvfgzM

[Sky Hedgehogian Maestro]

Sick... Killing for something so baseless makes me sick. I barely agree with aware-killing period (if in absolute desperate situations) but to kill someone over a few misunderstood words...

[L.A.P.]

The figures from the Economist suggest the following in terms of armed strength.

Free Syrian Army: 50,000
Syrian Liberation Front: 37,000
Syrian Islamic Front: 13,000
Jabhat Al-Nusra: 6,000

However in Aleppo the Tawhid Birgade (FSA) appear to work quite closely with Al-Nusra so it's complicated.

also, idk for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Islamist Farouq Brigades are one of the largest - if not the largest - factions of the FSA

[Turinbaar]

Right, and the government killed 40,000 of its Alawite supporters and blamed it on the rebels. :rolleyes:

I never took issue with this statistic, nor the sectarian bloodlust of Nusra, so why bring it up? It takes a certain heroic lack of confidence to change the subject like that. I was referring to the regime's habit of blaming "terrorists" for everything it does.

[Manar]

also, idk for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Islamist Farouq Brigades are one of the largest - if not the largest - factions of the FSA
They formed the Islamist Syrian Islamic Liberation coalition with other Wahhabis almost a year ago, they aren't a part of this supposed "FSA".

[Zostrianos]

BBC picked up this story, hopefully more people will know what these scum (that their governments are supporting) are really doing:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23139784

[Sudsy]

No more half ass liberal bullshit, I have changed my mind; I am not neutral, I read this late but I am with Assad fully now, crush the fucking bandits.

[BOZG]

NOTE THAT THE FOLLOWING VIDEO IS EXTREMELY GRAPHIC. I ADVISE YOU NOT TO EVEN WATCH IT, RATHER SIMPLY KNOW THAT IT EXISTS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

EDIT: I am not even going to link this to the site out of fear of being banned. All I will tell you is that the video is on 'Liveleak.com' and the video is named 'VERY GRAPHIC - Child executed by islamist rebels in Aleppo' .

Why bother bringing up the video then? Executions are inherently graphic - a video of it adds nothing more to the discussion. The article on its own is adequate.

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Why bother bringing up the video then? Executions are inherently graphic - a video of it adds nothing more to the discussion. The article on its own is adequate.

It's called a firsthand source, buddy. I had the link to the video on the post before I realised that it was probably too graphic and removed it - hence the text. I fished an article up later and attached it.

Why do you bring this up? What's this got to do with the topic?

[khad]

Why bother bringing up the video then? Executions are inherently graphic - a video of it adds nothing more to the discussion. The article on its own is adequate.
Says the guy who has a picture of his own nutsack for an avatar.

At least the OP had educational value.

[d3crypt]

I think no matter what, Syria is pretty much just screwed. Who knows how long this war will last...

[Agathor]

The article says the killers were from al-Nusra not the FSA, and the kid was a supporter of the demonstrations against Assad.

And that the report on the execution was released by the rebels, but no definitely all the rebels are Al Qaeda.

Stalinists dont let facts get in the way of their moronic dogmas.

[BOZG]

It's called a firsthand source, buddy. I had the link to the video on the post before I realised that it was probably too graphic and removed it - hence the text. I fished an article up later and attached it.

Why do you bring this up? What's this got to do with the topic?

Because it's quite common that people feel the need to post up graphic videos that are completely unnecessary. Posting the article would have sufficed - no one is going to demand to see the video to prove its authenticity. Even you feel the need to discourage people from watching it so is it not better to let people go google for the video if they feel the need to watch it?

[BOZG]

Says the guy who has a picture of his own nutsack for an avatar.

At least the OP had educational value.

Yes, because they are comparable...

And what was the educational value? That you know how to replicate an execution?

[Flying Purple People Eater]

Because it's quite common that people feel the need to post up graphic videos that are completely unnecessary. Posting the article would have sufficed - no one is going to demand to see the video to prove its authenticity. Even you feel the need to discourage people from watching it so is it not better to let people go google for the video if they feel the need to watch it?

As I had stated before, it was the only source I'd found (the first source, mind you) on the subject, and I quickly removed it and gave the address after I realised that it was probably too gruesome to attach. And I had already said that this thread was made before any articles even existed on the subject, and that the one in the original was edited in by me after I waited a few hours for a news website to put one up.

Look, this really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. If you want to talk to me about how unnecessary it was for me to post a now removed graphic source (which also happened to be the only source known to me at the time), please message me about it.

[Fourth Internationalist]

Being only 15 myself, I could never imagine being in such a bloody and horrible situation, and then being murdered just for blasphemy... :(